Summer Associates 2014: Thoughts, Anxieties, Experiences... Forum

[El Pollito]

This "you're too young to remember, but back in my day" line of argument is absolutely retarded.

[Old Gregg]

I'm sure plenty of people remember the dot com burst, dude. I feel like I am being talked to by my grandpa, as he sits me on his knee, musses my hair, and tells me about what things used to be like.

Except the grandpa in this scenario has absolutely no idea who you are, thinks you've been living under a rock for the past 20 years, and is in reality maybe 1 to 2 years your senior but doesn't know it.

[2014]

I think I'm going to adopt the shtick of telling people "You are too young to remember this" in on topics.

Referencing fancy V30 firms seems productive also.

[Anonymous User]

A partner I've worked with often #2'd and just sprinkled his hands under cold water. Literally never touching him again.

[09042014]

Back in they, you won't remember this, it was 2012, at my V38, we no offered people for being weird as fuck.

[jbagelboy]

NYC and can confirm. From what I hear, the guy really earned it.

That wasn't the guy who got fired for not reporting his criminal history (for statutory rape in a consensual relationship in high school) was it? Or was that Cleary?

You're referring to Cleary, for an SA's past mistake. At S&C, it was for a mistake during the summer......not only was the guy completely clueless, but they caught him getting high there. You have to remember that V10 firms pride themselves on making correct decisions at the OCI screener level, and you really have to work at getting no-offered.

There was an S&C summer no-offered for pissing on the side of the Broadstreet building after getting shitfaced at a firm event

There was another S&C summer no-offered for while traveling to London with a partner on a client engagement expensing a $300 (~200 pound) pair of sunglasses purchased at duty free to bill to said client b/c they left theirs back in the states and didn't want to go 36 hrs without designer shades

So these are exceptions that prove the rule, so to speak, that you have to really fuck up to earn so much ire as to cause a no offer

[Anonymous User]

NYC and can confirm. From what I hear, the guy really earned it.

That wasn't the guy who got fired for not reporting his criminal history (for statutory rape in a consensual relationship in high school) was it? Or was that Cleary?

You're referring to Cleary, for an SA's past mistake. At S&C, it was for a mistake during the summer......not only was the guy completely clueless, but they caught him getting high there. You have to remember that V10 firms pride themselves on making correct decisions at the OCI screener level, and you really have to work at getting no-offered.

There was an S&C summer no-offered for pissing on the side of the Broadstreet building after getting shitfaced at a firm event

There was another S&C summer no-offered for while traveling to London with a partner on a client engagement expensing a $300 (~200 pound) pair of sunglasses purchased at duty free to bill to said client b/c they left theirs back in the states and didn't want to go 36 hrs without designer shades

So these are exceptions that prove the rule, so to speak, that you have to really fuck up to earn so much ire as to cause a no offer

Is that the same one that was no offered for getting high? That would be an aggressive summer if so.

[LRGhost]

Any info on what he was doing? Like, lighting up a J in the cafeteria? Snorting bumps off his secretaries desk at 9 AM with sunken eyes, reeking of booze, mumbling "yolo" as he started a memo?

[rpupkin]

Any info on what he was doing? Like, lighting up a J in the cafeteria? Snorting bumps off his secretaries desk at 9 AM with sunken eyes, reeking of booze, mumbling "yolo" as he started a memo?

That behavior would be dangerous--someone might assume he was a senior associate.

[Anonymous User]

Any info on what he was doing? Like, lighting up a J in the cafeteria? Snorting bumps off his secretaries desk secretary's bare chest at 9 AM with sunken eyes, reeking of booze, mumbling "yolo" as he started a memo?

ftfy

[fl0w]

Any info on what he was doing? Like, lighting up a J in the cafeteria? Snorting bumps off his secretaries desk secretary's bare chest at 9 AM with sunken eyes, reeking of booze, mumbling "yolo" as he started a memo?

ftfy

did not mean to click anon, haha

[SA2014]

Cold offers, chilly offers, leading to the possibility of hot, warm, lukewarm down to freezing offers. I'm so fucking confused that my head is spinning, and I don't know how to react next week when the firm is scheduled to announce whether they'll continue the 100% offer rate. I guess that we're supposed to feel lucky not to have already been kicked out the fucking door.

[shock259]

Cold offers, chilly offers, leading to the possibility of hot, warm, lukewarm down to freezing offers. I'm so fucking confused that my head is spinning, and I don't know how to react next week when the firm is scheduled to announce whether they'll continue the 100% offer rate. I guess that we're supposed to feel lucky not to have already been kicked out the fucking door.

Deep breaths. Relax. The odds are very much in your favor.

[oblitigate]

Seems like almost everyone goes back to their Summer firm, get no offered, or takes a clerkship. I don't really see a lot of room for 5% cold offers.

I've only seen two cases where I'd suspect a cold offer. One, the person said he got an offer but wouldn't take it no matter what cause he hated it. That could be bullshit and he could have gotten cold offered, but he also could have been no offered and just lied about it.

And the second got a clerkship that fell through months later. Her firm told her she couldn't come back until the date the clerkship was supposed to be over. That's a pretty fucking cold offer.

So your firm knew she was toast on the clerkship before they extended the "offer"? Or she flat out lied about the clerkship and the firm knew about that? OR the firm didn't know she wouldn't have a clerkship and candidly extended her offer to begin post-clerkship?

I might just be unaware of how someone loses a clerkship that's already in the bag.

[A. Nony Mouse]

Well, the judge might die. Or retire. Or get de-benched.

[pertristis]

Well, the judge might die. Or retire. Or get de-benched.

Or, if the judge is on the FISA court and requires clerks to obtain clearance, failing clearance.

[oblitigate]

Well, the judge might die. Or retire. Or get de-benched.

But why would a judge hire a clerk just to turn around and retire? Or die

[09042014]

Seems like almost everyone goes back to their Summer firm, get no offered, or takes a clerkship. I don't really see a lot of room for 5% cold offers.

I've only seen two cases where I'd suspect a cold offer. One, the person said he got an offer but wouldn't take it no matter what cause he hated it. That could be bullshit and he could have gotten cold offered, but he also could have been no offered and just lied about it.

And the second got a clerkship that fell through months later. Her firm told her she couldn't come back until the date the clerkship was supposed to be over. That's a pretty fucking cold offer.

So your firm knew she was toast on the clerkship before they extended the "offer"? Or she flat out lied about the clerkship and the firm knew about that? OR the firm didn't know she wouldn't have a clerkship and candidly extended her offer to begin post-clerkship?

I might just be unaware of how someone loses a clerkship that's already in the bag.

Gets offer
Accepts offer
Gets Cleckship and accepts
Tells firm she'll be gone for 2 years to clerk
Gets fired from clerkship for asking to reduce it to one
She tells firm the clerkship isn't going to happen due to family issues
Firm says lol-k see you in 2015 f4ggot

Now that's a cold offer. There were rumors she was hated as a summer.

[jbagelboy]

Well, the judge might die. Or retire. Or get de-benched.

But why would a judge hire a clerk just to turn around and retire? Or die

shockingly, you can't always predict your own time of death and provide for the convenience of all those depending on you

[yomisterd]

Well, the judge might die. Or retire. Or get de-benched.

But why would a judge hire a clerk just to turn around and retire? Or die

shockingly, you can't always predict your own time of death and provide for the convenience of all those depending on you

Jbags, you have much to learn.

[2014]

Well, the judge might die. Or retire. Or get de-benched.

But why would a judge hire a clerk just to turn around and retire? Or die

Ask this to Ginsburg next time you see her, I'm sure she will take it well.

[jbagelboy]

Well, the judge might die. Or retire. Or get de-benched.

But why would a judge hire a clerk just to turn around and retire? Or die

shockingly, you can't always predict your own time of death and provide for the convenience of all those depending on you

Jbags, you have much to learn.

Teach me the ways of the dark side.

[SA2014]

Well, the judge might die. Or get de-benched.

Inconsiderate Bastard.

[rpupkin]

Gets fired from clerkship for asking to reduce it to one

The only pre-fired-from-clerkship situation I'm aware of was not dissimilar. After agreeing to a start date, clerk asks judge if start can be delayed by one week. Judge reluctantly agrees. Two months later, clerk asks if start date can be delayed by an additional month. Judge rescinds offer.

[A. Nony Mouse]

Well, the judge might die. Or retire. Or get de-benched.

But why would a judge hire a clerk just to turn around and retire? Or die

Less likely than the others, true, but you get hired to clerk well over a year in advance. The judge's health or family circumstances might change during that time. I know of a judge who retired like 2 months into a term and his clerks were SOL.

(DF's scenario makes more sense though.)