Milbank/Davis Polk/Cravath Scale: NYC to 215-415k Forum

[blair.waldorf]

I have had the week from hell work-wise and I am getting VERY impatient. This is ridiculous.

[Anonymous User]

I nominate JonesDay. The upshot is that none of their associates are here because they don't make market anyway.

[Anonymous User]

2:00 - 2:30 est today, be ready.

FALSE PROPHET

Is this the part where we rip some random firm to shreads?

I nominate Troutman.

I did a random number generator, it gave me 60. Which is Holland & Knight.

You mean Holland & KnighTTT?

[Anonymous User]

2:00 - 2:30 est today, be ready.

FALSE PROPHET

Is this the part where we rip some random firm to shreads?

Weil is overrated. Full of 3.2-3.3s from t14 and the bottom ten percent from t6

[Anonymous User]

Do Gibson Dunn and CruTTTcher next

[Anonymous User]

Do Gibson Dunn and CruTTTcher next

Bush v. Gore is the seed that led to Trump's Big Lie. Also, the NYC office is a sweatshop and everyone I know there hates it.

[Anonymous User]

Gibson unironically cares about grades for laterals, so I vote them.

[Anonymous User]

Gibson unironically cares about grades for laterals, so I vote them.

Kirkland hired a Texas lateral that was roaming the hallways at her prior midsize firm asking for work because she did such bad work. And she only got that job because she met a partner randomly and networked despite mediocre grades.

I'd 100% rather have a firm ask for grades than a firm take on anyone who can impress them with their charismatic demeanor.

[Anonymous User]

Honestly could care less what DPW does now. Don't know why my firm (and every other peer firm) that promises to pay top of the market comp (and reassures us during every weekly meeting since Milbank announced they will match whatever the market settles on) doesn't just announce a raise in the interim that's reflected on the Feb. checks. So what if they need to send another e-mail. Associates aren't exactly going to be pissed at another e-mail announcing a raise.

[Anonymous User]

Gibson unironically cares about grades for laterals, so I vote them.

Kirkland hired a Texas lateral that was roaming the hallways at her prior midsize firm asking for work because she did such bad work. And she only got that job because she met a partner randomly and networked despite mediocre grades.

I'd 100% rather have a firm ask for grades than a firm take on anyone who can impress them with their charismatic demeanor.

Kirkland right now will take anyone with a pulse who either attended a worthy enough law school or is at a worthy enough firm. They're not alone either -- firms just need bodies to bill $$$

[Anonymous User]

How do we not have more autists reading this thread? One of y'all have to be bold enough to start asking the right people at your firms when the fuck we're getting our money.

[Anonymous User]

We all venmo $40 to the DPW associate that emails or calls Neil

[Anonymous User]

Gibson unironically cares about grades for laterals, so I vote them.

Kirkland hired a Texas lateral that was roaming the hallways at her prior midsize firm asking for work because she did such bad work. And she only got that job because she met a partner randomly and networked despite mediocre grades.

I'd 100% rather have a firm ask for grades than a firm take on anyone who can impress them with their charismatic demeanor.

Kirkland right now will take anyone with a pulse who either attended a worthy enough law school or is at a worthy enough firm. They're not alone either -- firms just need bodies to bill $$$

I had a lateral interview for Kirkland and somehow didn't get hired. Should I just end it?

[Anonymous User]

At this point I think the delay is a sign that DPW is trying to chill the salary war. Long live Milbank.

I agree. At this point, DPW is either genuinely deadlocked on the inside (incompetence) or is pursuing a deliberate strategy to cool things off (sadistic & self-sabotaging).

Idk about self-sabotaging. If DPW significantly re-raises next week or later they keep (and potentially bolster) their status as market comp leader plus the added clout of not reacting to Milbank. Also all the firms will fall in line soon after, which further increases DPW clout over Milbank.

[Anonymous User]

Gibson unironically cares about grades for laterals, so I vote them.

Agreed as someone who got lateral dinged pre-interview by GDC due to law school grades below their cutoff. Their office would have been so convenient to my apartment.

[Anonymous User]

Gibson unironically cares about grades for laterals, so I vote them.

Kirkland hired a Texas lateral that was roaming the hallways at her prior midsize firm asking for work because she did such bad work. And she only got that job because she met a partner randomly and networked despite mediocre grades.

I'd 100% rather have a firm ask for grades than a firm take on anyone who can impress them with their charismatic demeanor.

Kirkland right now will take anyone with a pulse who either attended a worthy enough law school or is at a worthy enough firm. They're not alone either -- firms just need bodies to bill $$$

I had a lateral interview for Kirkland and somehow didn't get hired. Should I just end it?

Is this a troll? At this point Mr. Magoo could get hired.

[Anonymous User]

At this point I think the delay is a sign that DPW is trying to chill the salary war. Long live Milbank.

I agree. At this point, DPW is either genuinely deadlocked on the inside (incompetence) or is pursuing a deliberate strategy to cool things off (sadistic & self-sabotaging).

Idk about self-sabotaging. If DPW significantly re-raises next week or later they keep (and potentially bolster) their status as market comp leader plus the added clout of not reacting to Milbank. Also all the firms will fall in line soon after, which further increases DPW clout over Milbank.

Clout lmao - people do realize that law students will continue to pick csm/s&c/dpw over millbank regardless of a 5K pay difference, let alone just a delay in matching. Lateral market is also opaque anyway with bonuses so this isn’t that relevant. Everyone will match slowly and the market will remain the same in terms of prestige as it has for thirty years

[NoLongerALurker]

I think Kirklands success just proves the (I guess sad if you’re a lawyer who has your self-respect tied up in your CV) adage that you don’t need to be smart to do corporate law. Just grindy. You’ll need some legit smart tax people, one or two people who are ruthless whip-crackers and a bunch of servile indebted English-speakers who can type decently fast and figure out how to use a file management system. That’s a law firm, folks.

Worth it for though.

[Anonymous User]

Honestly could care less what DPW does now. Don't know why my firm (and every other peer firm) that promises to pay top of the market comp (and reassures us during every weekly meeting since Milbank announced they will match whatever the market settles on) doesn't just announce a raise in the interim that's reflected on the Feb. checks. So what if they need to send another e-mail. Associates aren't exactly going to be pissed at another e-mail announcing a raise.

I think this dynamic will start into effect next week, i.e., firms in the V25 are just going to start announcing. My view is DPW has this week and then their clock is run down. It's becoming farcical now.

[Anonymous User]

Gibson unironically cares about grades for laterals, so I vote them.

Kirkland hired a Texas lateral that was roaming the hallways at her prior midsize firm asking for work because she did such bad work. And she only got that job because she met a partner randomly and networked despite mediocre grades.

I'd 100% rather have a firm ask for grades than a firm take on anyone who can impress them with their charismatic demeanor.

Kirkland right now will take anyone with a pulse who either attended a worthy enough law school or is at a worthy enough firm. They're not alone either -- firms just need bodies to bill $$$

Based on some of the recent "Welcome New Attorney" emails, I think the ship has sailed on having either of those two "qualifications."

[Anonymous User]

People get murdered over $ amounts less than this in large parts of the world.

Everyone stop being so beta and start asking for what's rightfully owed to them.

[Anonymous User]

We all venmo $40 to the DPW associate that emails or calls Neil

Bump

[Anonymous User]

You think Kirkland would hire an SLS grad looking to switch to litigation from corporatE?

[Anonymous User]

Gibson unironically cares about grades for laterals, so I vote them.

Kirkland hired a Texas lateral that was roaming the hallways at her prior midsize firm asking for work because she did such bad work. And she only got that job because she met a partner randomly and networked despite mediocre grades.

I'd 100% rather have a firm ask for grades than a firm take on anyone who can impress them with their charismatic demeanor.

Kirkland right now will take anyone with a pulse who either attended a worthy enough law school or is at a worthy enough firm. They're not alone either -- firms just need bodies to bill $$$

Delete above bolded underline, then good. See Kirkland SLC.

[Anonymous User]

The amount of resentment toward KE here and I guess in the industry is astonishing. We get it. It's not a great look when your firm is getting passed by and becoming a has-been. But that's not our issue. The model is working, we're now the wealthiest firm in the industry (watch the revenue figure that comes out in the spring), and no one cares that you were founded in 1785 or once serviced a great m&a deal beside Marty Lipton himself. Cope more about your 1L contracts grade.