How much does physical attractiveness matter in big law? Forum

[Anonymous User]

I will not use botox. I will not take weird supplements. I will not cover up my baldness.

It's like this person decided the solution to the makeup tax is to have men do this too.

Yes, exactly, I thought this was the funniest response to the “I won’t do something men aren’t expected to do” post.

[Anonymous User]

• Preventative Botox 3-4x a year (to prevent wrinkles)

• Prescription retinoids to diminish wrinkles and prevent aging

I believe in taking care of myself, and a balanced diet and a rigorous exercise routine. In the morning, if my face is a little puffy, I’ll put on an ice pack while doing my stomach crunches. I can do a thousand now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial masque which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine.

[Anonymous User]

• Preventative Botox 3-4x a year (to prevent wrinkles)

• Prescription retinoids to diminish wrinkles and prevent aging

I believe in taking care of myself, and a balanced diet and a rigorous exercise routine. In the morning, if my face is a little puffy, I’ll put on an ice pack while doing my stomach crunches. I can do a thousand now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial masque which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine.

Love this lol

[Anonymous User]

But perception is reality. Even if a morbidly obese first year's dad is a surgeon, that first year will still look less classy, maybe not in your eyes but at least in the eyes of some colleagues.

lmfao

[Anonymous User]

Better option if you're balding is to just shave. You'll be read as more masculine + aggressive than if you're thinning up top. If you're also fit and actually aggro, you have the makings of a potent combination. If you aren't, well, try and become those things.

Edit: also lol @ "not taking creatine" it's one of the most normie supplements possible. If you want to have better lifts, it's just about the easiest thing you can do. As for the botox/retinoids/finasteride, yeah skip that unless you're extraordinarily vain

I’m that first gym rat anon and I support turning this thread/forum into lifting and fitness tips.

Do you prefer working out before work for the sick pump, or after work to get that misplaced aggression out?

I lift @ lunch so I can get both

[Anonymous User]

Not gonna lie, my summer class at Davis Polk years back was substantially above average attractiveness compared to law school and some other firms I’ve worked at. It was also a cut above the summer classes at S&C, Cravath, and Simpson, at least based on my offer dinners at those firms and the people I knew there, with some notable exceptions. There was obviously a range and would be at any firm, and this didn’t exactly hold true for the junior associates I met, but I was pleasantly surprised by the summer class. Gibson also seems to do above average on this metric.

This is all within the context of law. Naturally other industries like media, marketing, and fashion have much more attractive people on average.

I’ve done the research but I just don’t see it for DPW NYC. Maybe in the old days. Kirkland, CSM, and STB seem solid.

Weird, I would never put Simpson or Cravath among any list of attractive associates. Kirkland, I’ll grant you; they definitely had the best looking person from my law school class. The experience with DPW was “years back” so could have changed.

[Anonymous User]

The best looking kids from my section ended up at Sidley and Latham.

[Anonymous User]

Not gonna lie, my summer class at Davis Polk years back was substantially above average attractiveness compared to law school and some other firms I’ve worked at. It was also a cut above the summer classes at S&C, Cravath, and Simpson, at least based on my offer dinners at those firms and the people I knew there, with some notable exceptions. There was obviously a range and would be at any firm, and this didn’t exactly hold true for the junior associates I met, but I was pleasantly surprised by the summer class. Gibson also seems to do above average on this metric.

This is all within the context of law. Naturally other industries like media, marketing, and fashion have much more attractive people on average.

I’ve done the research but I just don’t see it for DPW NYC. Maybe in the old days. Kirkland, CSM, and STB seem solid.

Weird, I would never put Simpson or Cravath among any list of attractive associates. Kirkland, I’ll grant you; they definitely had the best looking person from my law school class. The experience with DPW was “years back” so could have changed.

I think you can trace the DPW thing back to ATL originally. https://abovethelaw.com/2016/02/caption ... ikes-back/

[Anonymous User]

But perception is reality. Even if a morbidly obese first year's dad is a surgeon, that first year will still look less classy, maybe not in your eyes but at least in the eyes of some colleagues.

lmfao

Keep rolling those eyes. It doesn't change your fellow humans.

[Anonymous User]

Not gonna lie, my summer class at Davis Polk years back was substantially above average attractiveness compared to law school and some other firms I’ve worked at. It was also a cut above the summer classes at S&C, Cravath, and Simpson, at least based on my offer dinners at those firms and the people I knew there, with some notable exceptions. There was obviously a range and would be at any firm, and this didn’t exactly hold true for the junior associates I met, but I was pleasantly surprised by the summer class. Gibson also seems to do above average on this metric.

This is all within the context of law. Naturally other industries like media, marketing, and fashion have much more attractive people on average.

I’ve done the research but I just don’t see it for DPW NYC. Maybe in the old days. Kirkland, CSM, and STB seem solid.

Weird, I would never put Simpson or Cravath among any list of attractive associates. Kirkland, I’ll grant you; they definitely had the best looking person from my law school class. The experience with DPW was “years back” so could have changed.

I think you can trace the DPW thing back to ATL originally. https://abovethelaw.com/2016/02/caption ... ikes-back/

Ah the good old days, back when Lat was at ATL and it wasn't trash.... Wait

[Anonymous User]

If you are a guy below 6’ with a weak jaw, good luck being taken seriously by anyone

[Anonymous User]

If you are a guy below 6’ with a weak jaw, good luck being taken seriously by anyone

Go back to containment on /r9k/. You incels ruined /fit/, you're not going to take TLS from me too.

[Anonymous User]

I genuinely have no idea what you are referring to.

I am being hyperbolic of course, but seeing short dudes with no chin makes me laugh when they try to project to a room.

[Anonymous User]

I genuinely have no idea what you are referring to.

I am being hyperbolic of course, but seeing short dudes with no chin makes me laugh when they try to project to a room.

Just grow a beard and lift for like 6 months. People will think you're taller than you are if you look better than your shit personality

[dabigchina]

I genuinely have no idea what you are referring to.

I am being hyperbolic of course, but seeing short dudes with no chin makes me laugh when they try to project to a room.

It means you are an incel.

[The Lsat Airbender]

Broke: improving your physical appearance to advance your career

Woke: improving your physical appearance to get laid

Bespoke: improving your physical appearance for the sake of ἀρετή

[Anonymous User]

Broke: improving your physical appearance to advance your career

Woke: improving your physical appearance to get laid

Bespoke: improving your physical appearance for the sake of ἀρετή

incredulously based 11/10

[BrowsingTLS]

At the risk of getting flamed, I'm gonna say this while being a male.

Kudos to the women ITT who show up to do their job and don't obess over their appearance. I have never questioned whether a female colleague is more professional or competent because she does or does not wear makeup, or does or does not style her hair or clothing a given way. Who gives a shit? If I'm that focused on a female colleague's appearance, the issue isn't her professionalism or competence. It's me being perverted, judgmental, having questionable intentions, or something along the lines. I don't know any male colleague who feels differently or who has ever articulated anything to the contrary. And it is somewhat sad that a lot of women might be driving themselves crazy at work over something they think their colleagues care about which probably next to no one actually cares about. Personally, I'm more likely to respect a female colleague who lives her life not giving a fuck what her colleagues think about her appearance.

[Anonymous User]

At the risk of getting flamed, I'm gonna say this while being a male.

Kudos to the women ITT who show up to do their job and don't obess over their appearance. I have never questioned whether a female colleague is more professional or competent because she does or does not wear makeup, or does or does not style her hair or clothing a given way. Who gives a shit? If I'm that focused on a female colleague's appearance, the issue isn't her professionalism or competence. It's me being perverted, judgmental, having questionable intentions, or something along the lines. I don't know any male colleague who feels differently or who has ever articulated anything to the contrary. And it is somewhat sad that a lot of women might be driving themselves crazy at work over something they think their colleagues care about which probably next to no one actually cares about. Personally, I'm more likely to respect a female colleague who lives her life not giving a fuck what her colleagues think about her appearance.

Thank you for your heroic allyship. Especially the last part.

[Anonymous User]

I genuinely have no idea what you are referring to.

I am being hyperbolic of course, but seeing short dudes with no chin makes me laugh when they try to project to a room.

Kirkland NY associate spotted.

[Anonymous User]

At the risk of getting flamed, I'm gonna say this while being a male.

Kudos to the women ITT who show up to do their job and don't obess over their appearance. I have never questioned whether a female colleague is more professional or competent because she does or does not wear makeup, or does or does not style her hair or clothing a given way. Who gives a shit? If I'm that focused on a female colleague's appearance, the issue isn't her professionalism or competence. It's me being perverted, judgmental, having questionable intentions, or something along the lines. I don't know any male colleague who feels differently or who has ever articulated anything to the contrary. And it is somewhat sad that a lot of women might be driving themselves crazy at work over something they think their colleagues care about which probably next to no one actually cares about. Personally, I'm more likely to respect a female colleague who lives her life not giving a fuck what her colleagues think about her appearance.

Am I the only person living in the universe where women are judged on their looks all the fucking time, where the beauty and fashion and diet industries are massive money makers? (I would also like to know how someone can tell from the outside whether a woman gives a fuck what her colleagues think about her appearance.)

[Anonymous User]

At the risk of getting flamed, I'm gonna say this while being a male.

Kudos to the women ITT who show up to do their job and don't obess over their appearance. I have never questioned whether a female colleague is more professional or competent because she does or does not wear makeup, or does or does not style her hair or clothing a given way. Who gives a shit? If I'm that focused on a female colleague's appearance, the issue isn't her professionalism or competence. It's me being perverted, judgmental, having questionable intentions, or something along the lines. I don't know any male colleague who feels differently or who has ever articulated anything to the contrary. And it is somewhat sad that a lot of women might be driving themselves crazy at work over something they think their colleagues care about which probably next to no one actually cares about. Personally, I'm more likely to respect a female colleague who lives her life not giving a fuck what her colleagues think about her appearance.

Am I the only person living in the universe where women are judged on their looks all the fucking time, where the beauty and fashion and diet industries are massive money makers? (I would also like to know how someone can tell from the outside whether a woman gives a fuck what her colleagues think about her appearance.)

Can only imagine how that conversation goes.
Browsing: you're ugly and I RESPECT you for it
Female Colleague:

[Anonymous User]

At the risk of getting flamed, I'm gonna say this while being a male.

Kudos to the women ITT who show up to do their job and don't obess over their appearance. I have never questioned whether a female colleague is more professional or competent because she does or does not wear makeup, or does or does not style her hair or clothing a given way. Who gives a shit? If I'm that focused on a female colleague's appearance, the issue isn't her professionalism or competence. It's me being perverted, judgmental, having questionable intentions, or something along the lines. I don't know any male colleague who feels differently or who has ever articulated anything to the contrary. And it is somewhat sad that a lot of women might be driving themselves crazy at work over something they think their colleagues care about which probably next to no one actually cares about. Personally, I'm more likely to respect a female colleague who lives her life not giving a fuck what her colleagues think about her appearance.

Am I the only person living in the universe where women are judged on their looks all the fucking time, where the beauty and fashion and diet industries are massive money makers? (I would also like to know how someone can tell from the outside whether a woman gives a fuck what her colleagues think about her appearance.)

Maybe I'm just the pervy, judgmental, questionable guy that feminist anon mentions, but I definitely in professional contexts like people (both guys and girls) if they are more attractive. Or rather, I tend to be unconsciously biased against people if they are physically ugly. Average is fine and won't count against you.

If I'm picking junior associates to staff on my deals with all other things are equal, I'm going to pick the ones that are easier on the eyes. If you think that doesn't apply relatively universally, you are coping hard.

The beauty/fashion/diet industry helps cultivate a specific image but I'm not talking about extra effort, I'm just talking about natural good looks. If you don't know what naturally good looking means then you probably aren't.

[Anonymous User]

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[Anonymous User]

If I'm picking junior associates to staff on my deals with all other things are equal, I'm going to pick the ones that are easier on the eyes. If you think that doesn't apply relatively universally, you are coping hard.

The beauty/fashion/diet industry helps cultivate a specific image but I'm not talking about extra effort, I'm just talking about natural good looks. If you don't know what naturally good looking means then you probably aren't.

Can't tell if this is a troll. Truly dumb take.

If the claim is that being attractive is useful in a professional space, yes. Of course. Much like in any space. If I was going to sit and stare at people, yes I prefer the aesthetically pleasing ones. Perhaps people are predisposed to treat attractive people better in a behavioral and automatic sense.

But this idea that people are picking which juniors to staff on the basis of appearance... LOL. If "all other things are equal" So when it comes to choosing who to staff on your deals, you first stop to think about whether they all have an equal level of competence, personality, etc. Then, you stop to think hmmm, which one of these associates is best looking? Sara has a pretty face. I'll choose her to do doc review.