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Re: Why biglawyers are losers. 36 year old makes $10 million a year with his own firm

Post by Monochromatic Oeuvre » Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:13 am

bonusnewsnow wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:45 am
Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:49 pm
bonusnewsnow wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:59 pm
I said that among practicing lawyers, career biglaw associates are the losers of the group because they make the least per hour, in terms of money
Putting the "losers" and who's-happier stuff aside, this is another wild claim you made with zero evidence. We just established the high likelihood that Biglaw associates ("career Biglaw associate," whatever the fuck you meant, is not a thing) are making *at least* 3x what most solos at comparable experience levels are, so it makes zero sense if you're telling me solos are working ~15-20 hours a week. Everyone who has ever been a solo (including many on this forum) will tell you about the major amount of infrastructure you need to even begin and the extensive amount of time that goes into things like marketing and collections. It's not a part-time job for the large majority of people.

You might have an easier time making this case if you didn't blow your credibility saying shit like this.
I see we're back to canned answer #1, where you comment about something you have no personal experience with. Career biglaw associate is a thing. Of counsel, counsel, service partner, non-share partner, equity partner with few points.
I've been on this forum for ten years, and responding to being called out on having completely made up the claim that Biglaw associates make less than comparable solos by noting that Biglaw associates often get promoted to positions where they...make even more money might actually be the worst argument I've ever seen on here.

It's a shame you started this thread, because there *are* good reasons and circumstances that make it favorable to become a solo and, ironically, the more you post, the more awful an idea it seems.

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Re: Why biglawyers are losers. 36 year old makes $10 million a year with his own firm

Post by nixy » Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:30 am

bonusnewsnow wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:45 am
I see we're back to canned answer #1, where you comment about something you have no personal experience with. Career biglaw associate is a thing. Of counsel, counsel, service partner, non-share partner, equity partner with few points.
I mean, there are reasons why those people aren't actually called associates; it's because they're not.

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Re: Why biglawyers are losers. 36 year old makes $10 million a year with his own firm

Post by bonusnewsnow » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:19 am

Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:13 am
I've been on this forum for ten years, and responding to being called out on having completely made up the claim that Biglaw associates make less than comparable solos by noting that Biglaw associates often get promoted to positions where they...make even more money might actually be the worst argument I've ever seen on here.

It's a shame you started this thread, because there *are* good reasons and circumstances that make it favorable to become a solo and, ironically, the more you post, the more awful an idea it seems.
I wonder why. I wonder why a grown man would spend every day of his life for ten years emotionally invested in every post on a law school forum. Is that how winners live?
nixy wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:30 am
bonusnewsnow wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:45 am
I see we're back to canned answer #1, where you comment about something you have no personal experience with. Career biglaw associate is a thing. Of counsel, counsel, service partner, non-share partner, equity partner with few points.
I mean, there are reasons why those people aren't actually called associates; it's because they're not.
Oh my God. Oh. My. God. That's a brilliant point. They're not called associates because they're not associates. Honey, you're a grown woman who spends a significant part of your life on a law school forum, making inane point after inane point on threads that have nothing to do with you, to fill your tragic life. Is this what you hoped to do with yourself as an adult? You have got to be one of the ugliest women ever, autistic or something seriously debilitating. I would bet money.

I am leaving. If you want more discussion about this, write the reddit guy and ask him to come here and talk to you about his practice. Before I go, let me try one simple word association exercise. What words come to your mind when you think of the following professions?

Law professor - slacker, author, consultant, ivory tower, socratic method.

In house lawyer - 9-5er, boss of biglaw partners, executive

Law firm owner (including biglaw equity partners) - uber rich, user, member of a small club, preeminent, mansion or giant Manhattan apartment

Government lawyer - public servant, prestigious title

Career biglaw associate - manservant, bitch, fart catcher, spineless, worried, loser.

Q.E.D.


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Re: Why biglawyers are losers. 36 year old makes $10 million a year with his own firm

Post by Hutz_and_Goodman » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:13 pm

bonusnewsnow wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:12 am
Hutz_and_Goodman wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:18 pm
I had a case recently where a corporate co-defendant was represented by a solo attorney who is closing up shop and returning to working for a firm because the economics were not working. People stay at firms not because they are “losers” but because it is very difficult to make similar money as a solo. This thread is the equivalent of saying everyone who has an office job is a loser because they should just play basketball and make $30 million a year like Lebron James.
Your story verifies my original post. Many losers try for something better before they settle for less. Your friend wanted something better, but he couldn't do it, so he returned to biglaw to be some partner's bitch. Again, I'm not saying every person who opens their own practice will do well. I'm saying that among practicing attorneys, career biglaw associates are the losers.
What are you even talking about re: “career big law associates”? Everyone either leaves or becomes partner or of counsel.

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Re: Why biglawyers are losers. 36 year old makes $10 million a year with his own firm

Post by Anonymous User » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:29 pm

bonusnewsnow wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:19 am
Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:13 am
I've been on this forum for ten years, and responding to being called out on having completely made up the claim that Biglaw associates make less than comparable solos by noting that Biglaw associates often get promoted to positions where they...make even more money might actually be the worst argument I've ever seen on here.

It's a shame you started this thread, because there *are* good reasons and circumstances that make it favorable to become a solo and, ironically, the more you post, the more awful an idea it seems.
I wonder why. I wonder why a grown man would spend every day of his life for ten years emotionally invested in every post on a law school forum. Is that how winners live?
nixy wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:30 am
bonusnewsnow wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:45 am
I see we're back to canned answer #1, where you comment about something you have no personal experience with. Career biglaw associate is a thing. Of counsel, counsel, service partner, non-share partner, equity partner with few points.
I mean, there are reasons why those people aren't actually called associates; it's because they're not.
Oh my God. Oh. My. God. That's a brilliant point. They're not called associates because they're not associates. Honey, you're a grown woman who spends a significant part of your life on a law school forum, making inane point after inane point on threads that have nothing to do with you, to fill your tragic life. Is this what you hoped to do with yourself as an adult? You have got to be one of the ugliest women ever, autistic or something seriously debilitating. I would bet money.

I am leaving. If you want more discussion about this, write the reddit guy and ask him to come here and talk to you about his practice. Before I go, let me try one simple word association exercise. What words come to your mind when you think of the following professions?

Law professor - slacker, author, consultant, ivory tower, socratic method.

In house lawyer - 9-5er, boss of biglaw partners, executive

Law firm owner (including biglaw equity partners) - uber rich, user, member of a small club, preeminent, mansion or giant Manhattan apartment

Government lawyer - public servant, prestigious title

Career biglaw associate - manservant, bitch, fart catcher, spineless, worried, loser.

Q.E.D.
Sorry you struck out at OCI. Can’t imagine why.

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Re: Why biglawyers are losers. 36 year old makes $10 million a year with his own firm

Post by viperking » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:39 pm

bonusnewsnow wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:19 am
Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:13 am
I've been on this forum for ten years, and responding to being called out on having completely made up the claim that Biglaw associates make less than comparable solos by noting that Biglaw associates often get promoted to positions where they...make even more money might actually be the worst argument I've ever seen on here.

It's a shame you started this thread, because there *are* good reasons and circumstances that make it favorable to become a solo and, ironically, the more you post, the more awful an idea it seems.
I wonder why. I wonder why a grown man would spend every day of his life for ten years emotionally invested in every post on a law school forum. Is that how winners live?
nixy wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:30 am
bonusnewsnow wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:45 am
I see we're back to canned answer #1, where you comment about something you have no personal experience with. Career biglaw associate is a thing. Of counsel, counsel, service partner, non-share partner, equity partner with few points.
I mean, there are reasons why those people aren't actually called associates; it's because they're not.
Oh my God. Oh. My. God. That's a brilliant point. They're not called associates because they're not associates. Honey, you're a grown woman who spends a significant part of your life on a law school forum, making inane point after inane point on threads that have nothing to do with you, to fill your tragic life. Is this what you hoped to do with yourself as an adult? You have got to be one of the ugliest women ever, autistic or something seriously debilitating. I would bet money.

I am leaving. If you want more discussion about this, write the reddit guy and ask him to come here and talk to you about his practice. Before I go, let me try one simple word association exercise. What words come to your mind when you think of the following professions?

Law professor - slacker, author, consultant, ivory tower, socratic method.

In house lawyer - 9-5er, boss of biglaw partners, executive

Law firm owner (including biglaw equity partners) - uber rich, user, member of a small club, preeminent, mansion or giant Manhattan apartment

Government lawyer - public servant, prestigious title

Career biglaw associate - manservant, bitch, fart catcher, spineless, worried, loser.

Q.E.D.
Yo, dude, are you ok?

ya seem a little too "emotionally invested" to me....

Oh, and just to echo others -- you're way off point. That's ok! But fighting it makes you look foolish. Be well, my guy, take a breath.

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Re: Why biglawyers are losers. 36 year old makes $10 million a year with his own firm

Post by Sackboy » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:49 pm

OP should see a psychiatrist and this thread should be either locked or moved to the lounge.

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Re: Why biglawyers are losers. 36 year old makes $10 million a year with his own firm

Post by bonusnewsnow » Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:52 pm

viperking wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:39 pm
Yo, dude, are you ok?

ya seem a little too "emotionally invested" to me....

Oh, and just to echo others -- you're way off point. That's ok! But fighting it makes you look foolish. Be well, my guy, take a breath.
I'm sorry if I overreacted. I got a chill up my spine when I read "I've been here for ten years."
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OP should see a psychiatrist and this thread should be either locked or moved to the lounge.
I need to see a psychiatrist, but the grown man who has been here for ten years and read and ranked every post, and whose icon is a literal psychopath, doesn't need one? That's on par with the logic of most contra-OP post in this thread. Monochromatic Oeuvre, can you at least pick a psycho who matches you in looks? I don't know who are but I will bet that you're not as good looking as Christian Bale. That's probably why you're on here for ten years.

I would like to leave, so please stop directing questions at me. The reddit guy is there if you want to get information about his practice, how he grew it, and what his day is like. If you want to hide or lock or delete this thread, whatever you need to do to stop the emotional torture it puts you through then do it. I think it would help 0Ls but it's your forum. If this is your "biglaw is everything" safe space and you want to keep it that way then it's your choice.

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Re: Why biglawyers are losers. 36 year old makes $10 million a year with his own firm

Post by nixy » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:22 pm

I mean dude, if you want to leave, just ignore the questions and leave. If you feel that compelled to have the last word, pretty sure that’s your problem, and that people here will be happy to keep responding so you’re literally forced to keep interacting with us sociopathic, ugly, autistic losers. It’s not like people will magically shut up and agree with you because you insult them.

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Re: Why biglawyers are losers. 36 year old makes $10 million a year with his own firm

Post by Monochromatic Oeuvre » Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:13 pm

"I'm willing to bet you're not as good looking as Christian Bale" is, I think, the most flattering insult I've ever received.

He's right though; I'm literally Edward Norton, and Captain Cool Guy Solo is Brad Pitt. You're not gonna believe how this thread ends.

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Re: Why biglawyers are losers. 36 year old makes $10 million a year with his own firm

Post by avenuem » Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:28 pm

bonusnewsnow wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:19 am
Before I go, let me try one simple word association exercise. What words come to your mind when you think of the following professions?

Law professor - slacker, author, consultant, ivory tower, socratic method.

In house lawyer - 9-5er, boss of biglaw partners, executive

Law firm owner (including biglaw equity partners) - uber rich, user, member of a small club, preeminent, mansion or giant Manhattan apartment

Government lawyer - public servant, prestigious title

Career biglaw associate - manservant, bitch, fart catcher, spineless, worried, loser.

Q.E.D.
Without saying so, you put biglaw partners and solos under the same title of "Law firm owner." That's such a false equivalency.

Trust me, when it comes to word associations, no one thinks the same thing when they hear biglaw partner and law firm owner. Biglaw partner is most definitely fucking rich as compared to 99% of the U.S. population based purely on income. They have obtained one of a finite number of positions as partners in biglaw firms. Meanwhile, a solo who has their own firm could literally be scraping by, just starting, utterly unsuccessful, or even massively successful. But even if super successful, I doubt there's going to be the prestige associated with biglaw partner.

I can tell you that, at least among lawyers, associates at biglaw firms get far more respect than solos. It doesn't matter that we answer to partners, because we're generally making a massive amount of money relative to the general population and other lawyers, and we're doing so at a reputable firm with reputable clients. Conceretely, saying "I'm an associate at [biglaw firm with name recognition]" at a cocktail or so will almost always command more respect than saying "I'm a solo at [wherever]" without more like "who makes $500,000 a year" or "represents [famous/high-profile person] in SCOTUS." Most solos don't do either.

Edit: I should add that I think, at least for most of the thread, you're being a massive troll and not arguing in earnest. I'm only responding insofar as we ignore that trolling aspect and dispel these false notions you're putting out. As someone said, people may read this thread and draw erroneous conclusions.

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Re: Why biglawyers are losers. 36 year old makes $10 million a year with his own firm

Post by bonusnewsnow » Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:42 pm

avenuem wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:28 pm
bonusnewsnow wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:19 am
Before I go, let me try one simple word association exercise. What words come to your mind when you think of the following professions?

Law professor - slacker, author, consultant, ivory tower, socratic method.

In house lawyer - 9-5er, boss of biglaw partners, executive

Law firm owner (including biglaw equity partners) - uber rich, user, member of a small club, preeminent, mansion or giant Manhattan apartment

Government lawyer - public servant, prestigious title

Career biglaw associate - manservant, bitch, fart catcher, spineless, worried, loser.

Q.E.D.
Without saying so, you put biglaw partners and solos under the same title of "Law firm owner." That's such a false equivalency.

Trust me, when it comes to word associations, no one thinks the same thing when they hear biglaw partner and law firm owner. Biglaw partner is most definitely fucking rich as compared to 99% of the U.S. population based purely on income. They have obtained one of a finite number of positions as partners in biglaw firms. Meanwhile, a solo who has their own firm could literally be scraping by, just starting, utterly unsuccessful, or even massively successful. But even if super successful, I doubt there's going to be the prestige associated with biglaw partner.

I can tell you that, at least among lawyers, associates at biglaw firms get far more respect than solos. It doesn't matter that we answer to partners, because we're generally making a massive amount of money relative to the general population and other lawyers, and we're doing so at a reputable firm with reputable clients. Conceretely, saying "I'm an associate at [biglaw firm with name recognition]" at a cocktail or so will almost always command more respect than saying "I'm a solo at [wherever]" without more like "who makes $500,000 a year" or "represents [famous/high-profile person] in SCOTUS." Most solos don't do either.

Edit: I should add that I think, at least for most of the thread, you're being a massive troll and not arguing in earnest. I'm only responding insofar as we ignore that trolling aspect and dispel these false notions you're putting out. As someone said, people may read this thread and draw erroneous conclusions.
It's exactly the opposite. First of all, let's admit you've been to very few cocktail parties, if any. If you did do a survey of cocktail parties you'd discover two things:

1. "Prestige" isn't something you give yourself. You can't just decide that you are prestigious. It's something society gives you and biglawyers definitely do not have that. You know how you can tell? Do a survey of movies about lawyers and see how they portray biglawyers.
• Devil's Advocate
• The Rainmaker
• The Firm
• Erin Brockovitch
• Michael Clayton
• Dark Waters
Many others

Biglawyers aren't viewed as "prestigious." They're often viewed as the scum of the earth. Yes, biglawyers view each other as prestigious, sometimes, but that's the same insular reasoning that motivates the "delete this thread!!!" posts. Rich biglaw partners do command social respect, because of their money but they probably don't spend much time talking about their job at cocktail parties unless it's some lawyer or similar professional event.

2. There aren't many career associates at cocktail parties, because manservant fart catchers don't have time to attend those things, if they even get invited.

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Re: Why biglawyers are losers. 36 year old makes $10 million a year with his own firm

Post by Pomeranian » Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:58 pm

avenuem wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:28 pm
bonusnewsnow wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:19 am
Before I go, let me try one simple word association exercise. What words come to your mind when you think of the following professions?

Law professor - slacker, author, consultant, ivory tower, socratic method.

In house lawyer - 9-5er, boss of biglaw partners, executive

Law firm owner (including biglaw equity partners) - uber rich, user, member of a small club, preeminent, mansion or giant Manhattan apartment

Government lawyer - public servant, prestigious title

Career biglaw associate - manservant, bitch, fart catcher, spineless, worried, loser.

Q.E.D.
Without saying so, you put biglaw partners and solos under the same title of "Law firm owner." That's such a false equivalency.

Trust me, when it comes to word associations, no one thinks the same thing when they hear biglaw partner and law firm owner.
Agree. Partner at Cravath is not the same as being a owner/partner at Shotkin Zhang

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Re: Why biglawyers are losers. 36 year old makes $10 million a year with his own firm

Post by JusticeSquee » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:35 pm

bonusnewsnow wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:42 pm
avenuem wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:28 pm
bonusnewsnow wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:19 am
Before I go, let me try one simple word association exercise. What words come to your mind when you think of the following professions?

Law professor - slacker, author, consultant, ivory tower, socratic method.

In house lawyer - 9-5er, boss of biglaw partners, executive

Law firm owner (including biglaw equity partners) - uber rich, user, member of a small club, preeminent, mansion or giant Manhattan apartment

Government lawyer - public servant, prestigious title

Career biglaw associate - manservant, bitch, fart catcher, spineless, worried, loser.

Q.E.D.
Without saying so, you put biglaw partners and solos under the same title of "Law firm owner." That's such a false equivalency.

Trust me, when it comes to word associations, no one thinks the same thing when they hear biglaw partner and law firm owner. Biglaw partner is most definitely fucking rich as compared to 99% of the U.S. population based purely on income. They have obtained one of a finite number of positions as partners in biglaw firms. Meanwhile, a solo who has their own firm could literally be scraping by, just starting, utterly unsuccessful, or even massively successful. But even if super successful, I doubt there's going to be the prestige associated with biglaw partner.

I can tell you that, at least among lawyers, associates at biglaw firms get far more respect than solos. It doesn't matter that we answer to partners, because we're generally making a massive amount of money relative to the general population and other lawyers, and we're doing so at a reputable firm with reputable clients. Conceretely, saying "I'm an associate at [biglaw firm with name recognition]" at a cocktail or so will almost always command more respect than saying "I'm a solo at [wherever]" without more like "who makes $500,000 a year" or "represents [famous/high-profile person] in SCOTUS." Most solos don't do either.

Edit: I should add that I think, at least for most of the thread, you're being a massive troll and not arguing in earnest. I'm only responding insofar as we ignore that trolling aspect and dispel these false notions you're putting out. As someone said, people may read this thread and draw erroneous conclusions.
It's exactly the opposite. First of all, let's admit you've been to very few cocktail parties, if any. If you did do a survey of cocktail parties you'd discover two things:

1. "Prestige" isn't something you give yourself. You can't just decide that you are prestigious. It's something society gives you and biglawyers definitely do not have that. You know how you can tell? Do a survey of movies about lawyers and see how they portray biglawyers.
• Devil's Advocate
• The Rainmaker
• The Firm
• Erin Brockovitch
• Michael Clayton
• Dark Waters
Many others

Biglawyers aren't viewed as "prestigious." They're often viewed as the scum of the earth. Yes, biglawyers view each other as prestigious, sometimes, but that's the same insular reasoning that motivates the "delete this thread!!!" posts. Rich biglaw partners do command social respect, because of their money but they probably don't spend much time talking about their job at cocktail parties unless it's some lawyer or similar professional event.
LMAO, this is the best analogy yet. Movies don't portray biglaw associates as prestigious and therefore they must not be. As others have said, I'm really sorry you struck out at OCI. Hope the solo practice grind goes well. Let us know when you make your first million.

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Re: Why biglawyers are losers. 36 year old makes $10 million a year with his own firm

Post by bonusnewsnow » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:00 pm

JusticeSquee wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:35 pm
LMAO, this is the best analogy yet. Movies don't portray biglaw associates as prestigious and therefore they must not be. As others have said, I'm really sorry you struck out at OCI. Hope the solo practice grind goes well. Let us know when you make your first million.
They reflect culture and society. There are plenty of movies and shows that portray lawyers in a positive or neutral light, but they're not about biglawyers.

My cousin vinny - I don't know what you'd call him. Solo defense attorney?
Perry Mason - Solo crim defense attorney
Lincoln Laawyer - solo crim defense attorney
Matlock - solo crim defense attorney
LA law - generalist small law firm with a plaintiff's bent
Boston legal - generalist small law firm with layman clients
The Practice - same
A few good men - JAG
The TV series JAG
A bunch I'm forgetting.

If prestige is this thing that you think you have, but no one else in society thinks you have, and everyone else in society thinks you're scum, then that's interesting but that's not how people normally think of prestige.

Watch the movies and open your eyes to how you're viewed. Here's the trailer for Dark Waters to get you started. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvAOuhyunhY

Edit: I almost forgot Changing Lanes as another movie about how biglawyers are scum. You know what, someone on TLS should make a list of all movies and TV shows about lawyers.
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Post by Definitely Not North » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:06 pm

ah yes, literal ambulance chasers. law's most publically revered and prestigious practitioners

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Re: Why biglawyers are losers. 36 year old makes $10 million a year with his own firm

Post by Definitely Not North » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:10 pm

masterherm wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:09 pm
nixy wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:29 pm
bonusnewsnow wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:59 pm
Yes, some solos make $80k, but I'd rather make $80k for a part-time solo practice than make whatever you make to be some partner's 24/7 fart catcher.
So you're not actually in biglaw? Have you ever been in biglaw?
He hasn’t been in big law, and it doesn’t take a psychologist to know he’s projecting and weirdly jealous of those in big law. OP should just go start a successful solo practice and report back. Good luck.
yeah lol you've got OP's number here

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Re: Why biglawyers are losers. 36 year old makes $10 million a year with his own firm

Post by Vexed » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:12 pm

ok I've come around, now that we're into the movie lawyer argument i like this troll

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Re: Why biglawyers are losers. 36 year old makes $10 million a year with his own firm

Post by beepboopbeep » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:29 pm

Too aggro, not smart enough. 2/10 forum trolling

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Re: Why biglawyers are losers. 36 year old makes $10 million a year with his own firm

Post by Sporty1911 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:51 pm

In the off chance this isn't a troll, OP, you can still have a fulfilling legal career even if you struck out at OCI. I'd suggest trying to isolate yourself from talking to people in biglaw/reading biglaw forums until you can work through the emotions of striking out at OCI and what is causing you to react in this way, and focusing on your 3L grades and a plan to secure employment come next year.

You're going to be entering a tough job market and wasting time on TLS arguing with strangers to justify the mental gymnastics you are playing in your head to justify your future career options isn't going to help. Take care of your mental health, dedicate yourself to getting good grades, and start setting a path for your future.



If you are just a troll--congrats on getting this to 5 pages, but you dropped the ball with the movie references. Probably could have kept this going if you hadn't pushed the boat out with that outrageous argument.

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Re: Why biglawyers are losers. 36 year old makes $10 million a year with his own firm

Post by bonusnewsnow » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:03 pm

Sporty1911 wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:51 pm
In the off chance this isn't a troll, OP, you can still have a fulfilling legal career even if you struck out at OCI. I'd suggest trying to isolate yourself from talking to people in biglaw/reading biglaw forums until you can work through the emotions of striking out at OCI and what is causing you to react in this way, and focusing on your 3L grades and a plan to secure employment come next year.

You're going to be entering a tough job market and wasting time on TLS arguing with strangers to justify the mental gymnastics you are playing in your head to justify your future career options isn't going to help. Take care of your mental health, dedicate yourself to getting good grades, and start setting a path for your future.



If you are just a troll--congrats on getting this to 5 pages, but you dropped the ball with the movie references. Probably could have kept this going if you hadn't pushed the boat out with that outrageous argument.
Movies reflect the culture and society's views. Don't bring up "prestige" if you don't want to be reminded of how society views you. Prestige is the worst argument I can think of for biglaw.

Since you're so interested in interviews, here's a clip from Changing Lanes about a biglaw interview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1QVeR_ ... Movieclips

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Re: Why biglawyers are losers. 36 year old makes $10 million a year with his own firm

Post by tlsthrowaway111 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:20 pm

bonusnewsnow wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:03 pm
Sporty1911 wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:51 pm
In the off chance this isn't a troll, OP, you can still have a fulfilling legal career even if you struck out at OCI. I'd suggest trying to isolate yourself from talking to people in biglaw/reading biglaw forums until you can work through the emotions of striking out at OCI and what is causing you to react in this way, and focusing on your 3L grades and a plan to secure employment come next year.

You're going to be entering a tough job market and wasting time on TLS arguing with strangers to justify the mental gymnastics you are playing in your head to justify your future career options isn't going to help. Take care of your mental health, dedicate yourself to getting good grades, and start setting a path for your future.



If you are just a troll--congrats on getting this to 5 pages, but you dropped the ball with the movie references. Probably could have kept this going if you hadn't pushed the boat out with that outrageous argument.
I don't want to repeat myself but movies reflect the culture and society's views. Don't bring up "prestige" if you don't want to be reminded of how society views you. Prestige is the worst argument I can think of for biglaw.

Since you're so interested in interviews, here's a clip from Changing Lanes about a biglaw interview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1QVeR_ ... Movieclips
Dude why does it matter? Aren't most biglaw attorney's financially stable? Why is it so important to you to put down someone else's life decisions? Like if you don't want to do biglaw don't do it, whats the point of spending time here telling anyone who makes that decision that they're a loser?

I think a lot of people who are at the crossroads of making a decision like "should I go work for a big law firm?" are concerned with finances, lifestyle, possibility of upwards mobility, exit opportunities, etc. Many go in knowing they will leave in a few years, some stay. What's it to you if they decide to go through with it and become an associate? In your eyes, their loss right? Someone's gotta be the loser in Capitalism right? Shouldn't you be cheering biglaw associates on since they're willingly choosing to be in a "sub-servant position" to yourself?

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Re: Why biglawyers are losers. 36 year old makes $10 million a year with his own firm

Post by JusticeSquee » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:22 pm

bonusnewsnow wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:03 pm
Sporty1911 wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:51 pm
In the off chance this isn't a troll, OP, you can still have a fulfilling legal career even if you struck out at OCI. I'd suggest trying to isolate yourself from talking to people in biglaw/reading biglaw forums until you can work through the emotions of striking out at OCI and what is causing you to react in this way, and focusing on your 3L grades and a plan to secure employment come next year.

You're going to be entering a tough job market and wasting time on TLS arguing with strangers to justify the mental gymnastics you are playing in your head to justify your future career options isn't going to help. Take care of your mental health, dedicate yourself to getting good grades, and start setting a path for your future.



If you are just a troll--congrats on getting this to 5 pages, but you dropped the ball with the movie references. Probably could have kept this going if you hadn't pushed the boat out with that outrageous argument.
Movies reflect the culture and society's views. Don't bring up "prestige" if you don't want to be reminded of how society views you. Prestige is the worst argument I can think of for biglaw.

Since you're so interested in interviews, here's a clip from Changing Lanes about a biglaw interview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1QVeR_ ... Movieclips
In terms of solid depictions of biglaw vs solo practice, you should also check out Better Call Saul. Great show, and nails how terrible lawyers are in general.

Also, have you seen The Rainmaker? They paint the main personal injury lawyer that Matt Damon’s character has to work for as a total asshole who cheats on his taxes and has to flee the country. Maybe that’s a good exit opportunity for solo practitioners though idk...

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Re: Why biglawyers are losers. 36 year old makes $10 million a year with his own firm

Post by bonusnewsnow » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:30 pm

JusticeSquee wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:22 pm
bonusnewsnow wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:03 pm
Sporty1911 wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:51 pm
In the off chance this isn't a troll, OP, you can still have a fulfilling legal career even if you struck out at OCI. I'd suggest trying to isolate yourself from talking to people in biglaw/reading biglaw forums until you can work through the emotions of striking out at OCI and what is causing you to react in this way, and focusing on your 3L grades and a plan to secure employment come next year.

You're going to be entering a tough job market and wasting time on TLS arguing with strangers to justify the mental gymnastics you are playing in your head to justify your future career options isn't going to help. Take care of your mental health, dedicate yourself to getting good grades, and start setting a path for your future.



If you are just a troll--congrats on getting this to 5 pages, but you dropped the ball with the movie references. Probably could have kept this going if you hadn't pushed the boat out with that outrageous argument.
Movies reflect the culture and society's views. Don't bring up "prestige" if you don't want to be reminded of how society views you. Prestige is the worst argument I can think of for biglaw.

Since you're so interested in interviews, here's a clip from Changing Lanes about a biglaw interview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1QVeR_ ... Movieclips
In terms of solid depictions of biglaw vs solo practice, you should also check out Better Call Saul. Great show, and nails how terrible lawyers are in general.

Also, have you seen The Rainmaker? They paint the main personal injury lawyer that Matt Damon’s character has to work for as a total asshole who cheats on his taxes and has to flee the country. Maybe that’s a good exit opportunity for solo practitioners though idk...
BCS portrays all lawyers as bad, solo and biglaw. That's just an anti-lawyer show. The main bad guys in TR were biglawyers. I have to run so carry on discussing movies among yourselves.

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