Dunnkirk85 wrote:Anonymous User wrote:Anonymous User wrote:Libya wrote:Dunnkirk85 wrote:Am I clear that folks ITT are getting upset that they are getting 20k for doing no work, and a guaranteed offer? Seriously?
This is boomer mentality. The problem isn’t that it’s unreasonable, the problem is their peers who are far less profitable and less “presitigious” are doing otherwise
No this isn't Boomer mentality. I graduated within the past 3 years. Getting upset that you are getting 20,000 for doing nothing and will have a guaranteed full time job that pays 200k right out of school is an entitled mentality, especially when 30million people are out of the labor force. Somehow people here seem to think they earned the 35,000 by getting an offer. It's just laughable, whether you are comparing SC to other firms, or not.
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ou should have stayed anon if you are going to say something this asinine. We aren't upset we are getting $19K for doing nothing this summer, we are upset because S&C made false representations to remove us from jobs where we would have made $38K and then insulted our intelligence with this offer. If you think summers do real work for firms then I have no idea what to tell you. A $10K advance is just a way to tie us to the firm, it's money we already had.
Is this as bad as Lathaming? Of course it isn't and I certainly am not stating that it is. But there is absolutely zero indication S&C is in dire straights due to the virus, their partners are still making money hand over fist, and all of their competitors that we received offers at are making their summers whole. Much less profitable firms have had partners take reduced draws and still did right by their summers. This is a firm that heavily recruits itself as financially stable, bragging about how they own their own office, fired no one during the last recession, etc. Yet their first instinct during this recession was to stiff their summers and insult them while doing so.
Those of us who can leave certainly will - I'll collect my $20K to do nothing, do whatever pro bono work I can scrounge up during finals,
and then clerk for my judge and jump ship to any other firm that will have me. Others will leave for some of the litigation boutiques that hire during 3L OCI - we know they have the grades to at least be competitive. I feel bad for the people that left offers at better firms on the table and have to grin and bear this insult;
we already know S&C's word is worth nothing and
they don't care about putting even minimal effort into helping their new hires, so who knows what a "guaranteed offer" really means?
Edit: About 10 seconds after I wrote this, the mighty V20 Ropes managed to figure out how to run a program for 5 weeks and pay people fully
1) Why?
2) Good luck getting another job equivalent to SC in this market as a 3L.
3) They gave you an offer, and then guaranteed you a job without any work product or personality test. I would say that's something. They could do a 5 week zoom program and not give everyone offers because they don't seem to fit in over video chat.
4) aren't they setting you up with pro bono opportunities and setting up interactions with practice groups?
1. Because now anytime I use this site and see "Dunnkirk85" I know I can safely ignore everything the post says.
2. Reading comprehension clearly is not your strong suit, but I am going to a clerkship, as stated in my post. Other people will certainly try and leave, I don't know if they will be successful, but I wish them luck. They should at least be competitive for clerkships if they can pull together an application in about a month.
3. I wasn't particularly concerned about getting no-offered, like 99.99% of people, given that I have above average deduction skills, can read, and am generally pleasant to be around. Can't say the same about you, seeing you can't seem to understand why people who got lied to and stiffed 15K are angry. I'd say your odds of being fired after 6 months now are significantly higher at a TTT place like SullCrom that has indicated pretty thoroughly they don't give a damn about you.
4. Completely meaningless, seeing as they will probably put as much work into that as they did into looking into a virtual program for the summer. All the S&C summers know the score, we are on our own, and SullCrom certainly doesn't care.
Edit: Another firm I turned down, Paul Weiss, is guaranteeing full pay. That's the false representation I was talking about you blockhead - that S&C would treat us equally to, or better than their peers, based on their behavior during the last recession, the many questions I asked about how prepared they were for a recession, their boasting of owning their office and growing slowly and conservatively. Instead they chose to stiff us and lie about it.
