Columbia EIP 2016 Forum

[Anonymous User]

To interview with a firm's Intellectual Property office (e.g. Kirkland & Ellis New York - Intellectual Property), generally, how much of an IP background do you need? If you don't have a hard science or engineering degree but are generally interested (say, due to experience from your 1L job), would it be weird to bid on the IP offices?

[Anonymous User]

with 3.65, is top DC litigation (W&C, Covington) worth bidding, or do you basically need to be in Kent range or have a connection?

[John_Luther1989]

Heres the FFB and Results list from 2013. One of the current 2Ls should have 2014, and you all should have already gotten 2015. Let me know of the view-only settings prevent you from making your own google drive copy of the spreadsheet.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id= ... sp=sharing

EDIT: Also, keep in mind that FFB and the results don't account for pre-EIP offers. They only track EIP-based data, so they are incomplete. For many of the top firms, the stats of some pre-EIP offerees are not the same as EIP offerees (another reason to grind for pre-EIP interviews).

[jbagelboy]

with 3.65, is top DC litigation (W&C, Covington) worth bidding, or do you basically need to be in Kent range or have a connection?

Covington is fair game (same as Gibson/WH), W&C is a long-shot and almost certainly not happening.

[Anonymous User]

I've heard if you want to go to DC and do some top flight litigation, Skadden has basically the same standards for DC as NY. Last year someone did a full summer in NY, then asked to switch to DC and the firm basically asked no questions and let them go. Definitely worth a bid and/or a late June mass mail.

[Anonymous User]

I've noticed that some firms have online application processes. If we are planning on "mass mailing" pre-EIP, should we be using these online application portals? Or should we just straight up email recruiting?

[Anonymous User]

I've noticed that some firms have online application processes. If we are planning on "mass mailing" pre-EIP, should we be using these online application portals? Or should we just straight up email recruiting?

Doing both. If a firm has an online process and you completely bypass it, it looks like you just didn't do your research. On the other hand, sometimes those forms aren't minded as closely as we'd like them to be, so emailing recruiting avoids any oversight. If you do both, mention in your email that you also submitted via the online process. I haven't heard any consternation from recruiters about people doing both, so I don't think it'll rub anyone the wrong way.

[Anonymous User]

Heres the FFB and Results list from 2013. One of the current 2Ls should have 2014, and you all should have already gotten 2015. Let me know of the view-only settings prevent you from making your own google drive copy of the spreadsheet.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id= ... sp=sharing

EDIT: Also, keep in mind that FFB and the results don't account for pre-EIP offers. They only track EIP-based data, so they are incomplete. For many of the top firms, the stats of some pre-EIP offerees are not the same as EIP offerees (another reason to grind for pre-EIP interviews).

Thanks for this, appreciate it. Another plea for last year if anyone has it.

[GoneSouth]

Last year's FFB list is on Symplicity in the EIP section

[Anonymous User]

Last year's FFB list is on Symplicity in the EIP section

Sorry, meant the one that was distributed to rising 2Ls last year (i.e. 2014 results)

[Anonymous User]

I would appreciate any thoughts on my very tentative bid list, which is listed below. I am hoping to pick up some pre-oci interviews as well.

Low stone, with 2 HPs (for whatever they are worth). 2 years of work experience and probably above average softs. Solely interested in litigation/arbitration.

* Bids = New York offices unless otherwise noted

1. Sidley Austin (2)
2. Skadden (3)
3. Debevoise (4)
4. White & Case (5)
5. Clifford Chance (6)
6. Weil (6)
7. Allen & Overy (8)
8. Ropes & Gray (9)
9. Paul Weiss (11)
10. Cahill (12)
11. Wilkie Farr (11)
12. Cleary Gottlieb (14)
13. Davis Polk (15)
14. Freshfields (17)
15. Latham (17)
16. Fried Frank (17)
17. Covington (18)
18. O’Melveny (19)
19. Cravath (23)
20. Hughes Hubbard (21)
21. Baker Botts (21)
22. Dechert (22)
23. Jones Day (24)
24. Simpson Thacher (27)
25. Shearman & Sterling (*)
26. Hunton Williams (27)
27. Wilmerhale (DC) (27)
28. Shepard Mullins (29)
29. Hebert Smith Freehils (*)
30. foley hoag (Boston) (*)

[Anonymous User]

So not to beat this to death, but how do we approach mass mail? Do we straight up say we would like a job or do we say we would like to talk about opportunities at the firm?

[smaug]

I would appreciate any thoughts on my very tentative bid list, which is listed below. I am hoping to pick up some pre-oci interviews as well.

Low stone, with 2 HPs (for whatever they are worth). 2 years of work experience and probably above average softs. Solely interested in litigation/arbitration.

* Bids = New York offices unless otherwise noted

1. Sidley Austin (2)
2. Skadden (3)
3. Debevoise (4)
4. White & Case (5)
5. Clifford Chance (6)
6. Weil (6)
7. Allen & Overy (8)
8. Ropes & Gray (9)
9. Paul Weiss (11)
10. Cahill (12)
11. Wilkie Farr (11)
12. Cleary Gottlieb (14)
13. Davis Polk (15)
14. Freshfields (17)
15. Latham (17)
16. Fried Frank (17)
17. Covington (18)
18. O’Melveny (19)
19. Cravath (23)
20. Hughes Hubbard (21)
21. Baker Botts (21)
22. Dechert (22)
23. Jones Day (24)
24. Simpson Thacher (27)
25. Shearman & Sterling (*)
26. Hunton Williams (27)
27. Wilmerhale (DC) (27)
28. Shepard Mullins (29)
29. Hebert Smith Freehils (*)
30. Foley Hoag (Boston) (*)

nix wilmerhale

not sure if CSM is in the box either

[Anonymous User]

nix wilmerhale

not sure if CSM is in the box either

Not OP, but why nix WH?

[smaug]

nix wilmerhale

not sure if CSM is in the box either

Not OP, but why nix WH?

low stone is going to be really rough for WH DC, I think

[Anonymous User]

Isn't that list also cutting it pretty close on most of those, only 1 or 2 above FFB?

[Anonymous User]

Isn't that list also cutting it pretty close on most of those, only 1 or 2 above FFB?

OP of list.

I am a little worried about that too. My hope is to knock two or three out with pre-EIP interviews. If I don't do that, I might remove one or two of the earlier ones and try to get them through connections and mass mailing.

[Anonymous User]

Do we know which firms have a hard GPA floor above stone--not that you must have stone, which I assume is pretty common, but that you must have, say, a 3.5 or a 3.6? I figure S&C does, but not sure about others.

- Arya Stark

[Anonymous User]

Isn't that list also cutting it pretty close on most of those, only 1 or 2 above FFB?

OP of list.

I am a little worried about that too. My hope is to knock two or three out with pre-EIP interviews. If I don't do that, I might remove one or two of the earlier ones and try to get them through connections and mass mailing.

Your list cuts it way too close. Based on past years, you will probably miss several of your firms, and more likely than not you will miss the ones you're most interested in (because your interest will tend to correlate with your classmates). You should be 5+ above FFB for the firms you are most closely targeting.

[Tiago Splitter]

The FFB for last year would help if anyone has it. I know Shearman has always required a 1/2 bid but once everyone knew this last year they took it off and it ended up not even filling up. If it's a relatively solid NYC firm with a limited number of interviews chances are you won't get it very far down your list.

[Anonymous User]

Do we know which firms have a hard GPA floor above stone--not that you must have stone, which I assume is pretty common, but that you must have, say, a 3.5 or a 3.6? I figure S&C does, but not sure about others.

- Arya Stark

W&C, MTO, and WLRK all require a high 3.7-3.8. Covington DC also definitely requires north of a 3.6, BSF also around there.

[Anonymous User]

Do we know which firms have a hard GPA floor above stone--not that you must have stone, which I assume is pretty common, but that you must have, say, a 3.5 or a 3.6? I figure S&C does, but not sure about others.

- Arya Stark

W&C, MTO, and WLRK all require a high 3.7-3.8. Covington DC also definitely requires north of a 3.6, BSF also around there.

About the list I expected. Would you expect these floors to be firm, or is there flexibility depending on other variables (e.g., undergrad, work experience, LR)

[Anonymous User]

I would appreciate any thoughts on my very tentative bid list, which is listed below. I am hoping to pick up some pre-oci interviews as well.

Low stone, with 2 HPs (for whatever they are worth). 2 years of work experience and probably above average softs. Solely interested in litigation/arbitration.

* Bids = New York offices unless otherwise noted

1. Sidley Austin (2)
2. Skadden (3)
3. Debevoise (4)
4. White & Case (5)
5. Clifford Chance (6)
6. Weil (6)
7. Allen & Overy (8)
8. Ropes & Gray (9)
9. Paul Weiss (11)
10. Cahill (12)
11. Wilkie Farr (11)
12. Cleary Gottlieb (14)
13. Davis Polk (15)
14. Freshfields (17)
15. Latham (17)
16. Fried Frank (17)
17. Covington (18)
18. O’Melveny (19)
19. Cravath (23)
20. Hughes Hubbard (21)
21. Baker Botts (21)
22. Dechert (22)
23. Jones Day (24)
24. Simpson Thacher (27)
25. Shearman & Sterling (*)
26. Hunton Williams (27)
27. Wilmerhale (DC) (27)
28. Shepard Mullins (29)
29. Hebert Smith Freehils (*)
30. Foley Hoag (Boston) (*)

FWIW when I did my screener with clifford chance, they told me that they were very focused on corporate, to the point where they couldn't guarantee any summers/first year associates that they would be able to work anywhere except corporate. That may have changed to some extent, but if you're solely focused on litigation I would nix them

[Anonymous User]

Do we know which firms have a hard GPA floor above stone--not that you must have stone, which I assume is pretty common, but that you must have, say, a 3.5 or a 3.6? I figure S&C does, but not sure about others.

- Arya Stark

W&C, MTO, and WLRK all require a high 3.7-3.8. Covington DC also definitely requires north of a 3.6, BSF also around there.

About the list I expected. Would you expect these floors to be firm, or is there flexibility depending on other variables (e.g., undergrad, work experience, LR)

WLRK might dip lower for serious IBD/finance experience. The rest are pretty firm. I don't see W&C happening below a 3.8.

[Anonymous User]

is the median 3.33 or a little lower?

3.29/3.3 GPA, am i median, or do i need to be bidding like I'm below median and avoiding high % honors offers?