HLS EIP 2016 Forum

[Anonymous User]

Although TripTrip may have better data, anecdotally the S&C cutoff is a hard 6 Hs. And it's not really a cutoff as much as it is a sorting mechanism. If you have 6 Hs you get an offer if you don't have 6 Hs you don't get an offer.

[nothingtosee]

Although TripTrip may have better data, anecdotally the S&C cutoff is a hard 6 Hs. And it's not really a cutoff as much as it is a sorting mechanism. If you have 6 Hs you get an offer if you don't have 6 Hs you don't get an offer.

What percentile does that work out to?

75th?

[Anonymous User]

If I'm interested in Quinn (or any other firm not going to be at EIP) when would I go about sending my materials their way?

IIRC Quinn nixed its summer program all together. As for other firms, I would have stuff hitting desks the day after the Fourth of July.

Yup, Quinn cut its summer program.

Quinn still has 8-10 summer associates firmwide, and they'll be continuing to take on a few summers each year. The DC office has 2 I believe, including one from H.

[Anonymous User]

Although TripTrip may have better data, anecdotally the S&C cutoff is a hard 6 Hs. And it's not really a cutoff as much as it is a sorting mechanism. If you have 6 Hs you get an offer if you don't have 6 Hs you don't get an offer.

What percentile does that work out to?

75th?

6Hs? that makes S&C as competitive as Wachtell grade-wise?

[Anonymous User]

Although TripTrip may have better data, anecdotally the S&C cutoff is a hard 6 Hs. And it's not really a cutoff as much as it is a sorting mechanism. If you have 6 Hs you get an offer if you don't have 6 Hs you don't get an offer.

What percentile does that work out to?

75th?

6Hs? that makes S&C as competitive as Wachtell grade-wise?

My memory is that it was a 5 H cutoff, but otherwise this aligns with my understanding of S&C's hiring practices. My sense is that S&C is slightly more grade-conscious than Cravath and slightly less personality/fit-conscious. A lot of weird people from my class got S&C offers, and many (including a particularly creepy guy with 9-10 Hs) didn't get a Cravath offer.

[Anonymous User]

oops, wrong anon use.

[throwaway_]

Although TripTrip may have better data, anecdotally the S&C cutoff is a hard 6 Hs. And it's not really a cutoff as much as it is a sorting mechanism. If you have 6 Hs you get an offer if you don't have 6 Hs you don't get an offer.

What percentile does that work out to?

75th?

6Hs? that makes S&C as competitive as Wachtell grade-wise?

Nope, S&C's 6Hs requirement (or 5Hs, whatever the actual cut-off may be) leads to auto-offer. For WLRK, it's more of an actual floor -- i.e. with those grades, you'll need to have serious interviewing skills, work experience, and other resume points to get a hard look.

On a separate note, anyone interested in non-law firm private sector (i.e., banks and consulting firms) should feel free to shoot out general questions that I'll answer if I can, or otherwise send me a PM.

[brussels_sprouts]

so which number is the number of summer associates a certain firm hires for the summer of 2017? Is it the number of 1st year associates under Recruitment details in firm profile of chambers and associates? what does the number of 2nd year associates mean? thank you very much!!

[nothingtosee]

so which number is the number of summer associates a certain firm hires for the summer of 2017? Is it the number of 1st year associates under Recruitment details in firm profile of chambers and associates? what does the number of 2nd year associates mean? thank you very much!!

Use the NALP directory, which is accessible through ocs website. That will have more exact numbers like how many summers last year, and how many offers

[Anonymous User]

May be a dumb question, but after my week of screeners can I go home (live in Philly/jersey area). Any reason firms would object to that for callbacks?

[TripTrip]

so which number is the number of summer associates a certain firm hires for the summer of 2017? Is it the number of 1st year associates under Recruitment details in firm profile of chambers and associates? what does the number of 2nd year associates mean? thank you very much!!

Use the NALP directory, which is accessible through ocs website. That will have more exact numbers like how many summers last year, and how many offers

This is also the bottom number for the right-hand chart on Dope, where it says "2015 SAs received FT offers (98/98 LY)." I've gotten some confused emails about that, but that line comes from NALP data not HLS student data.

May be a dumb question, but after my week of screeners can I go home (live in Philly/jersey area). Any reason firms would object to that for callbacks?

The weekend sure. Callbacks start as early as Monday though, and you don't want to push those back.

[Anonymous User]

A question directed to Trip:
"89.2% of bids secured interviews. (314/356 last year.)"
What does "314/356" mean? 314 is certainly not the actual number of interviews the firm conducted at HLS, right?

Thanks for the wonderful graphs you've created for us

[TripTrip]

A question directed to Trip:
"89.2% of bids secured interviews. (314/356 last year.)"
What does "314/356" mean? 314 is certainly not the actual number of interviews the firm conducted at HLS, right?

Thanks for the wonderful graphs you've created for us

Nah, you're interpreting that correctly. Cleary interviewed 314 students between their NY and DC offices last year. They bring 15 sets of interviewers to EIP and book out most of a floor at the Charles. They really like hiring HLS students.

[Anonymous User]

A question directed to Trip:
"89.2% of bids secured interviews. (314/356 last year.)"
What does "314/356" mean? 314 is certainly not the actual number of interviews the firm conducted at HLS, right?

Thanks for the wonderful graphs you've created for us

Nah, you're interpreting that correctly. Cleary interviewed 314 students between their NY and DC offices last year. They bring 15 sets of interviewers to EIP and book out most of a floor at the Charles. They really like hiring HLS students.

Thanks for the clarification! So our EIP Week = Cleary's Boston Trip Day

[Anonymous User]

All advice appreciated:

Straight Ps
Some relevant work experience but nothing extraordinary
Non URM
Pretty good in interviews
CA ties but open to NYC

Which CA firms make sense for bidding? What should be the distribution between CA and NYC? I think if I were to luck out with a V10/15 offer in NYC I might take that over V30/40 or something in CA.. thoughts on how to compare those two?

Thanks a lot!

[Anonymous User]

Is there a way to interview with consulting firms beyond MBB during EIP eg deloitte, pwc etc

[TripTrip]

Is there a way to interview with consulting firms beyond MBB during EIP eg deloitte, pwc etc

Not during EIP, but you can obviously apply to them on your own. Usually EIP doesn't coincide with consulting recruiting timelines (BCG makes a special exception for HLS JDs), so you may need to research each firm's timelines and expectations more.

[Anonymous User]

I am targeting litigation and I was fortunate enough to double-DS LRW. What might be the tactful time/manner to bring this up in EIP interviews?

[TripTrip]

I am targeting litigation and I was fortunate enough to double-DS LRW. What might be the tactful time/manner to bring this up in EIP interviews?

Let them figure it out for themselves. You'll probably come off as a douche if you try to flaunt your LRW grades in a screener.

[Anonymous User]

I am targeting litigation and I was fortunate enough to double-DS LRW. What might be the tactful time/manner to bring this up in EIP interviews?

Let them figure it out for themselves. You'll probably come off as a douche if you try to flaunt your LRW grades in a screener.

Noted, appreciate the advice

[Anonymous User]

Is there a grade cutoff for the top Boston firms? I.e. Ropes & Wilmer?

[Anonymous User]

Is there a grade cutoff for the top Boston firms? I.e. Ropes & Wilmer?

I got an offer from both with 1H and I know someone with straight Ps who got an offer. I also know of someone with 6Hs who got shut out from both (thank god).

[Person1111]

Do ties to LA help at all when bidding SF?

Marginally, but not much. It's also not symmetric: ties to SF help more for LA firms than ties to LA help for SF firms.

[Anonymous User]

Is there a grade cutoff for the top Boston firms? I.e. Ropes & Wilmer?

I got an offer from both with 1H and I know someone with straight Ps who got an offer. I also know of someone with 6Hs who got shut out from both (thank god).

The impression I got from Ropes while interviewing/doing second looks was that they're very selective from a personality standpoint because they genuinely do pride themselves on firm culture, but not necessarily too harsh from a grades perspective.

[mikes29]

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