Where I got no offered Forum

[colerain]

Any news out there for JD Cleveland?

[arnoldpalmer36]

Can anyone PM me about K&L Gates Pittsburgh if you know anything about the no-offers from the last two summers (other than what NALP says)? Thanks so much.

[JamMasterJ]

Why are you guys reporting 2012 no offers?

any post-2009 no-offer is relevant

[09042014]

I wouldn't accept the cold offer until Oct 1. I'd try to find another firm. It's not at all obvious that she got cold offered.

[bigbirdfly]

Sullivan & Cromwell (NY) cold-offered a good friend of mine this year.

What did they do, in general terms.

S&C, or the friend? S&C apparently said something along the lines of, you can return, but you should consider other options. Friend is shell-shocked and unclear on what exactly happened/caused the problems, and also still contemplating accepting the cold offer. I don't work at S&C, so I've had no experience working with said friend and haven't heard anything from their coworkers that would explain things. Friend is a sociable person, especially by S&C's rather low standards for personality/"fit". I am very surprised.

Why would S&C make a cold offer. Did s/he get an offer letter? Did her/his grade drop during 2L? Did s/he get good reviews? Did s/he do anything inappropriate at social events?

[Anonymous User]

Is it a cold offer if you are offered with the whole "when you come back...", but a senior associate who was formerly your fraternity brother tells you at a bar a post-summer night on the town that you should consider trading up? The concept of trading up had never come up previously, or crossed my mind.

[09042014]

Is it a cold offer if you are offered with the whole "when you come back...", but a senior associate who was formerly your fraternity brother tells you at a bar a post-summer night on the town that you should consider trading up? The concept of trading up had never come up previously, or crossed my mind.

No.

[sublime]

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[Anonymous User]

Is it a cold offer if you are offered with the whole "when you come back...", but a senior associate who was formerly your fraternity brother tells you at a bar a post-summer night on the town that you should consider trading up? The concept of trading up had never come up previously, or crossed my mind.

No.

Do firms make cold offers because they're being nice, care about ATL, or both?

[09042014]

Is it a cold offer if you are offered with the whole "when you come back...", but a senior associate who was formerly your fraternity brother tells you at a bar a post-summer night on the town that you should consider trading up? The concept of trading up had never come up previously, or crossed my mind.

No.

Do firms make cold offers because they're being nice, care about ATL, or both?

I gotta assume they care about their 100% being on ATL and NALP.

[Anonymous User]

Sullivan & Cromwell (NY) cold-offered a good friend of mine this year.

What did they do, in general terms.

S&C, or the friend? S&C apparently said something along the lines of, you can return, but you should consider other options. Friend is shell-shocked and unclear on what exactly happened/caused the problems, and also still contemplating accepting the cold offer. I don't work at S&C, so I've had no experience working with said friend and haven't heard anything from their coworkers that would explain things. Friend is a sociable person, especially by S&C's rather low standards for personality/"fit". I am very surprised.

Why would S&C make a cold offer. Did s/he get an offer letter? Did her/his grade drop during 2L? Did s/he get good reviews? Did s/he do anything inappropriate at social events?

I think grade drops are a flame unless it's really, really profound. Why would a firm care if your work product and fit is up to par? Partners even said that for laterals they disproportionately care about 1L grades, because that's when everyone tries.

[Anonymous User]

Since we're talking about cold offers, Hogan Lovells does cold offers.

[Anonymous User]

Sullivan & Cromwell (NY) cold-offered a good friend of mine this year.

What did they do, in general terms.

S&C, or the friend? S&C apparently said something along the lines of, you can return, but you should consider other options. Friend is shell-shocked and unclear on what exactly happened/caused the problems, and also still contemplating accepting the cold offer. I don't work at S&C, so I've had no experience working with said friend and haven't heard anything from their coworkers that would explain things. Friend is a sociable person, especially by S&C's rather low standards for personality/"fit". I am very surprised.

Why would S&C make a cold offer. Did s/he get an offer letter? Did her/his grade drop during 2L? Did s/he get good reviews? Did s/he do anything inappropriate at social events?

Heard from someone close to him/her that they strongly suspected it to be work product since the no-offeree was very well liked from a social standpoint and not the type to make "fit" mistakes.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone know anything about K&L Gates' Pacific Northwest offices?

I'm fairly certain the PNW offices have a 100% offer rate this year. As far as K&L goes, I'd say the one thing to keep in mind is the northwest offices have a completely different culture than the East Coast offices. That might explain the difference in offer rates.

[Anonymous User]

Holy shit K&L Gates pittsburgh what the fuck.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone know about munger no offers? What they are based on besides 'writing' and whether it's worth being particularly concerned about? (i.e., could a no offer result from failing to line up an AIII clerkship by the start of summer?)

[Anonymous User]

I doubt that's why you get a cold offer or no offer. It's always going to be a combination of the economy, work product, and social stuff. Sometimes one of the three is extreme, but unless you do something really crazy or turn it complete garbage, economic factors come into play. Obviously, anything that makes you more valuable like a clerkship is a positive, but they won't no offer you for not choosing to do a clerkship.

[Anonymous User]

K&L Gates Charlotte no-offered 2 out of 8 SA's this summer.

[Anonymous User]

K&L Gates Charlotte no-offered 2 out of 8 SA's this summer.

Sucks. Considering this alarming rate seems to be firm wide for them, it's likely that HQ told them they could only take six. It's too coincidental for each office to suddenly decide they don't like twenty-five percent of the people.

[mr.hands]

K&L Gates Charlotte no-offered 2 out of 8 SA's this summer.

Whoa why? Did they split summer or was it work product?

[Anonymous User]

K&L Gates Charlotte no-offered 2 out of 8 SA's this summer.

Whoa why? Did they split summer or was it work product?

Bro, read page four and five, all these no offers are coming from k and l gates. What are the chances that the only shitty work product and split summers are coming from one firm.

[Anonymous User]

Is K&L Gates the only firm that consistently no offered nationally?

[Anonymous User]

K&L Gates no-offered in multiple offices, and I know from my office it wasn't performance issues of the one of the summers that was an issue. I got an offer, but I was pretty mad on behalf of the no-offered summers.

I was worried about this from them. They did the same thing with the c/o 2014.

Do you have any idea how the Pittsburgh office fared? I have friends there and that is worrying.

Sorry, unfortunately I don't have any information about that office, I was referring to NC and TX. Maybe since it's the flagship office they fared a little better.

From the 23 SAs at the Pittsburgh office I've heard of 3 people getting offers so far and 4 people getting no-offered. None of those that didn't get offers had any immediately apparent red flags from what I saw.

FWIW, the Pitt office did hire people during the year, so at least some of the people that got no offered may have been fit/performance related.

[Anonymous User]

Has anyone heard of any firms rescinding offers for summers who vanished into Neverland for like 7 weeks after the summer?

[Anonymous User]

95% vs 100% SA offer rates is enough for me to pick 1 comparable firm over another because what else would I care about other than that