GW OCI 2014 - Meh? Forum

[Anonymous User]

Can anyone tell me what it means when both cbs and rejections have gone out and you have received neither.... SOS !

[Anonymous User]

Can anyone tell me what it means when both cbs and rejections have gone out and you have received neither.... SOS !

To check your resume and make sure your email, address, and phone number are right.

Also might be put on hold, sort of an alternate if enough people don't do call backs with them.

[Anonymous User]

Cooley dc, ip schedule, ding

and the regular schedule.

[Anonymous User]

So I'm the person who posted about the lack of cbs or rejections.... All my information is correct....

I had 10 interviews between NY and Philly.... Haven't heard back from 7 of them!!!

How plausible is it that I'm on an alternate list for them all!?

[Anonymous User]

Honestly low

[Anonymous User]

My thoughts exactly.

[Anonymous User]

I had 10 interviews between NY and Philly.... Haven't heard back from 7 of them!!!

How plausible is it that I'm on an alternate list for them all!?

10 screeners in DC for DC: only 2 CBs, but no dings yet either. I think it is early still. May as well make the best of the CBs that I have so far.

[Anonymous User]

I agree on the early thing. If you cross-reference this thread with the UVA & Georgetown threads (which are close enough such that the recruitment efforts could be grouped together), there's no reported callbacks from some firms. P

[Anonymous User]

McDermott ding via e-mail

[Anonymous User]

Anything from MLB DC, PIllsbury DC, Winston DC?

[Anonymous User]

Is it good or bad news for me that there's only 7 on the finnegan schedule?

[Anonymous User]

Had three screeners with one still to go. No CBs, no dings. Compulsively hopeful but realistically ready to move onto plan B.

[Anonymous User]

Anybody heard from Venable? I've heard they usually turn things around quickly. They're my top choice and I'm eager for good news (but expecting bad news...).

Also still waiting on Sutherland and K&L, among others.

For future GW students: make sure to bid NY Regional, because callbacks are tough to come by in DC w/o stellar credentials.

[Anonymous User]

Anything from A&B, Ballard Philly, or Beveridge & Diamond?

[Anonymous User]

I have either personally received a CB or know of CBs from the following DC firms: Covington, Arnold & Porter, WilmerHale, Gibson Dunn, Latham, Kirkland, Jones Day, Cleary, O'Melveny, White & Case, Ropes & Gray, Debevoise, and Venable.

Interested if anyone has heard from Hogan or Skadden (DC).

--Admiral Ackbar--

[Anonymous User]

I have either personally received a CB or know of CBs from the following DC firms: Covington, Arnold & Porter, WilmerHale, Gibson Dunn, Latham, Kirkland, Jones Day, Cleary, O'Melveny, White & Case, Ropes & Gray, Debevoise, and Venable.

Interested if anyone has heard from Hogan or Skadden (DC).

You're doing gods work reporting all this. Sad to hear Jones Day though......though I didn't preference DC first so no surprise there.

[Anonymous User]

I wouldn't put too much hope into hogan. NY nor DC took anyone from OCI last year.

[Anonymous User]

I wouldn't put too much hope into hogan. NY nor DC took anyone from OCI last year.

What a flame, since they have two DC schedules + NY schedule, plus they had a hospitality suite.

[ughlawya]

I have either personally received a CB or know of CBs from the following DC firms: Covington, Arnold & Porter, WilmerHale, Gibson Dunn, Latham, Kirkland, Jones Day, Cleary, O'Melveny, White & Case, Ropes & Gray, Debevoise, and Venable.

Interested if anyone has heard from Hogan or Skadden (DC).

Have not heard of hogan. I know someone who got skadden dc though same day as interview.

[KidStuddi]

I wouldn't put too much hope into hogan. NY nor DC took anyone from OCI last year.

What a flame, since they have two DC schedules + NY schedule, plus they had a hospitality suite.

Their problem is they'll only go after candidates they can't realistically get. They'll offer the kids with 3.8+, but those people, generally speaking, have far better options. It's like they don't realize that GW being entirely pre-select means that the top candidates often have >20 offers.

[Anonymous User]

I have either personally received a CB or know of CBs from the following DC firms: Covington, Arnold & Porter, WilmerHale, Gibson Dunn, Latham, Kirkland, Jones Day, Cleary, O'Melveny, White & Case, Ropes & Gray, Debevoise, and Venable.

Ditto for Akin Gump, Hunton, MoFo - no word of any offers yet.

[Anonymous User]

I wouldn't put too much hope into hogan. NY nor DC took anyone from OCI last year.

What a flame, since they have two DC schedules + NY schedule, plus they had a hospitality suite.

Their problem is they'll only go after candidates they can't realistically get. They'll offer the kids with 3.8+, but those people, generally speaking, have far better options. It's like they don't realize that GW being entirely pre-select means that the top candidates often have >20 offers.

Are you speaking from personal knowledge? I'm a "kid with 3.8+" so I'm curious to hear any stories alum or upperclassmen might have. I don't perceive Hogan as "below" me in any sense, especially as far as DC firms go, so I'm wondering if you could elaborate.

--Admiral Ackbar--

[Anonymous User]

I have either personally received a CB or know of CBs from the following DC firms: Covington, Arnold & Porter, WilmerHale, Gibson Dunn, Latham, Kirkland, Jones Day, Cleary, O'Melveny, White & Case, Ropes & Gray, Debevoise, and Venable.

Interested if anyone has heard from Hogan or Skadden (DC).

You're doing gods work reporting all this. Sad to hear Jones Day though......though I didn't preference DC first so no surprise there.

In case it matters, I heard from Jones Day later this afternoon (Monday) so they might do another wave of callbacks soon. I know some firms don't do every single one at once.

--Admiral Ackbar--

[KidStuddi]

Their problem is they'll only go after candidates they can't realistically get. They'll offer the kids with 3.8+, but those people, generally speaking, have far better options. It's like they don't realize that GW being entirely pre-select means that the top candidates often have >20 offers.

Are you speaking from personal knowledge? I'm a "kid with 3.8+" so I'm curious to hear any stories alum or upperclassmen might have. I don't perceive Hogan as "below" me in any sense, especially as far as DC firms go, so I'm wondering if you could elaborate.

--Admiral Ackbar--

Yeah, personal knowledge. GW alum who CB'd with Hogan DC a couple of years ago. Received an offer there but accepted elsewhere. Hogan came across, to me, as a firm trying way too hard to wow me with their "prestige." I shit you not, 3 / 6 people I met with on the CB mentioned that Chief Justice Roberts had worked there, you know, just incase I hadn't heard. One partner talked at length about how they strongly prefer litigation candidates who have the credentials for A3 clerkships and how that would ensure that all my peers there would have exceptional intellectual firepower, because, you know, why would I ever want to dirty myself by working with someone who couldn't grade on to law review? I just did not enjoy their culture at all.

What made the elitism worse was that it has translated into relatively marginal distinction, at least according to chambers / other rankings. The picture is even worse when you look at the firm's financials compared to the firms they think as of their peers. Also, if I recall correctly, they have a two-tiered compensation system where you have to hit certain hour requirements to be eligible for market pay. Bonuses were also below market across the board.

Meanwhile, pretty much every other firm I had offers from either A) paid above market to begin with or was B) completely NYC lockstep without minimum hour requirements and paid market or above bonuses. Firms like Gibson, W&C, Sidley and several V10 DC offices were making pitches based on the people being nice and friendly and pleasant to work with; brilliance was just kind of assumed. They didn't feel the need to ram everyone's resume down my throat. They were talking about deals and cases they were currently working on, not reveling in tangential glory from an ex-partner.

That all being said, I'm just presenting the negative side of what I saw. Hogan is a fine firm and I of course would have gladly accepted the offer if I didn't have other choices. This is just a relative comparison. Much of what I said also felt about some other D.C. centric firms (Cov, Wilmer, A&P). I personally think it stems from the fact that D.C. firms are far less profitable than NYC/Chi/LA based firms and they try and make up for it with intellectual snobbishness.

[Anonymous User]

Their problem is they'll only go after candidates they can't realistically get. They'll offer the kids with 3.8+, but those people, generally speaking, have far better options. It's like they don't realize that GW being entirely pre-select means that the top candidates often have >20 offers.

Are you speaking from personal knowledge? I'm a "kid with 3.8+" so I'm curious to hear any stories alum or upperclassmen might have. I don't perceive Hogan as "below" me in any sense, especially as far as DC firms go, so I'm wondering if you could elaborate.

--Admiral Ackbar--

Yeah, personal knowledge. GW alum who CB'd with Hogan DC a couple of years ago. Received an offer there but accepted elsewhere. Hogan came across, to me, as a firm trying way too hard to wow me with their "prestige." I shit you not, 3 / 6 people I met with on the CB mentioned that Chief Justice Roberts had worked there, you know, just incase I hadn't heard. One partner talked at length about how they strongly prefer litigation candidates who have the credentials for A3 clerkships and how that would ensure that all my peers there would have exceptional intellectual firepower, because, you know, why would I ever want to dirty myself by working with someone who couldn't grade on to law review? I just did not enjoy their culture at all.

What made the elitism worse was that it has translated into relatively marginal distinction, at least according to chambers / other rankings. The picture is even worse when you look at the firm's financials compared to the firms they think as of their peers. Also, if I recall correctly, they have a two-tiered compensation system where you have to hit certain hour requirements to be eligible for market pay. Bonuses were also below market across the board.

Meanwhile, pretty much every other firm I had offers from either A) paid above market to begin with or was B) completely NYC lockstep without minimum hour requirements and paid market or above bonuses. Firms like Gibson, W&C, Sidley and several V10 DC offices were making pitches based on the people being nice and friendly and pleasant to work with; brilliance was just kind of assumed. They didn't feel the need to ram everyone's resume down my throat. They were talking about deals and cases they were currently working on, not reveling in tangential glory from an ex-partner.

That all being said, I'm just presenting the negative side of what I saw. Hogan is a fine firm and I of course would have gladly accepted the offer if I didn't have other choices. This is just a relative comparison. Much of what I said also felt about some other D.C. centric firms (Cov, Wilmer, A&P). I personally think it stems from the fact that D.C. firms are far less profitable than NYC/Chi/LA based firms and they try and make up for it with intellectual snobbishness.

Hogan is definitely third tier of the big DC firms, sounds like they have a napoleon complex.