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Re: Northwestern OCI

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:18 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Working on my list, but will probably wait until data comes out next week: wondering worth bidding the monsters KE/Sidley/Mayer with 3.53 or is it worth just giving up those say top 3 slots to more reasonable targeted firms in Chicago? Obviously would love to work for any of those 3, but am concerned about wasting bids
I think this comes down to bidding strat -- most people I know had a few reach firms, targets, and safeties. It might be a wasted 3 bids to hit all of them, but you can decide how aggressive you want to be. I know at least one person who dramatically outperformed his/her GPA, and if you interview very well, that might be you. For what it's worth, I get the sense that KE is the least grade sensitive of the three. Others may chime in.

Also, I wouldn't bid KE #1 in any case, since they tend to grant a ton of interview slots at NU.

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Re: Northwestern OCI

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:15 pm

Can anyone post firms that probably will not be available outside your top 5?

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Re: Northwestern OCI

Post by bananasplit19 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:42 pm

Sooo...when is CSO going to release 2013 OCI GPA numbers? Shouldn't they be out by now?

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Re: Northwestern OCI

Post by zugzwanger » Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:49 pm

Pretty sure we were told it would be this week :?

My gut says like 4:58 on Friday

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Re: Northwestern OCI

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:50 pm

bananasplit19 wrote:Sooo...when is CSO going to release 2013 OCI GPA numbers? Shouldn't they be out by now?
Word on the street is that 2013 data is particularly sparse.

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Re: Northwestern OCI

Post by homestyle28 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:31 pm

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bananasplit19 wrote:Sooo...when is CSO going to release 2013 OCI GPA numbers? Shouldn't they be out by now?
Word on the street is that 2013 data is particularly sparse.
They need to figure out a way to either 1) make it mandatory or 2) make it easier. There's got to be a way in Simplicity to get more useful info.

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Re: Northwestern OCI

Post by zugzwanger » Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:01 pm

Does anybody know how many SAs DLA took last year/maybe year before that as well for their Chicago office? They only show up as total for all offices in NALP.

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Re: Northwestern OCI

Post by cookiejar1 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:06 pm

zugzwanger wrote:Does anybody know how many SAs DLA took last year/maybe year before that as well for their Chicago office? They only show up as total for all offices in NALP.
I'd recommend contacting a current DLA summer. Check the Firm OCI Contact List google doc that was sent out.

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Re: Northwestern OCI

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cookiejar1 wrote:
zugzwanger wrote:Does anybody know how many SAs DLA took last year/maybe year before that as well for their Chicago office? They only show up as total for all offices in NALP.
I'd recommend contacting a current DLA summer. Check the Firm OCI Contact List google doc that was sent out.
It was 6 in 2011, and I think 1 of the 6 was from NU (maybe 2).

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Re: Northwestern OCI

Post by zugzwanger » Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:32 pm

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zugzwanger wrote:Does anybody know how many SAs DLA took last year/maybe year before that as well for their Chicago office? They only show up as total for all offices in NALP.
I'd recommend contacting a current DLA summer. Check the Firm OCI Contact List google doc that was sent out.
It was 6 in 2011, and I think 1 of the 6 was from NU (maybe 2).
Thanks!

That spreadsheet that was sent around had aggregate numbers as well I believe so curious given their presence in Chicago

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Re: Northwestern OCI

Post by zugzwanger » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:54 am

Sorry to disturb your wonderful Sunday mornings with such nerve racking shit-- just wondering if anybody has started putting together any semblances of bid lists etc.? I've been shuffling the main list around/doing research etc. Thought maybe it'd be good to start throwing some ideas around/getting feedback

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Re: Northwestern OCI

Post by Kikero » Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:40 pm

homestyle28 wrote:
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bananasplit19 wrote:Sooo...when is CSO going to release 2013 OCI GPA numbers? Shouldn't they be out by now?
Word on the street is that 2013 data is particularly sparse.
They need to figure out a way to either 1) make it mandatory or 2) make it easier. There's got to be a way in Simplicity to get more useful info.
Yeah, it should be better integrated. At least for the OCI interviews they shouldn't require people to fill out a spreadsheet. In October-ish they should send out a survey which has your OCI interviews already populated and all you need to do is check a box (Cb, offer, nothing).

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Re: Northwestern OCI

Post by Anonymous User » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:11 pm

Quick question for the upperclassmen: How many spots in our bidlist would you say is "guaranteed" assuming we're bidding smartly (e.g., not putting Kirkland at no. 25)? Would you say we can reasonably expect to nab our top 10? Or is there too much variation w/r/t to the popularity of some firms that we might miss out on some firms in our top 5/7/10?

Also, at what point in our bidlists should we start peppering in very selective firms (3.8+ cutoffs)? 15ish? 20ish? Thanks in advance.

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Re: Northwestern OCI

Post by Kikero » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:16 pm

You can definitely miss firms in your top 5. And getting some of the big Chicago firms with bids 8-10 would be more unusual than the opposite.

Basically though, it depends on the markets and firms you're bidding on.

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Re: Northwestern OCI

Post by Anonymous User » Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:19 am

Anonymous User wrote:Quick question for the upperclassmen: How many spots in our bidlist would you say is "guaranteed" assuming we're bidding smartly (e.g., not putting Kirkland at no. 25)? Would you say we can reasonably expect to nab our top 10? Or is there too much variation w/r/t to the popularity of some firms that we might miss out on some firms in our top 5/7/10?

Also, at what point in our bidlists should we start peppering in very selective firms (3.8+ cutoffs)? 15ish? 20ish? Thanks in advance.
hmmmm, I got 9 of my top 10 firms, and I can recall most of my friends getting somewhere in the range of 7-9 of their top 10. The one firm I did not get was actually my number 1 bid, because they offered so few interview spots.

*might seem a bit weird to anon here, but give me the benefit of the doubt please.

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Re: Northwestern OCI

Post by Anonymous User » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:40 am

Three questions for the grown-ups:

1. When a firm has a single entry in Symplicity with multiple offices listed under that entry, does each office take up its own spot on a bid list? E.g. If Jagoff, Asshole & Douche is interviewing for NY, DC, Miami, and Anchorage, and I want to work in Anchorage, can I bid that at the bottom due to low demand for Anchorage, or will I have to bid higher to account for all the people that want to work for Jagoff's NY office?

2.Along similar lines, and dependent on the answer to the question above, do people have any idea of where firms go in the bidding when they don't break out their schedules by office and their offices might vary dramatically in demand? Places like Boies Schiller (11 offices from Hollywood to Armonk), Gibson Dunn (8 offices from DC to Dallas), Mayer Brown (Chicago and Charlotte on the same schedule)

3. Do people have some insight into where the elite DC firms went in the bidding last year? I'm talking Williams & Connolly, Covington, WilmerHale etc...

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Re: Northwestern OCI

Post by Kikero » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:15 am

Anonymous User wrote:Three questions for the grown-ups:

1. When a firm has a single entry in Symplicity with multiple offices listed under that entry, does each office take up its own spot on a bid list? E.g. If Jagoff, Asshole & Douche is interviewing for NY, DC, Miami, and Anchorage, and I want to work in Anchorage, can I bid that at the bottom due to low demand for Anchorage, or will I have to bid higher to account for all the people that want to work for Jagoff's NY office?

2.Along similar lines, and dependent on the answer to the question above, do people have any idea of where firms go in the bidding when they don't break out their schedules by office and their offices might vary dramatically in demand? Places like Boies Schiller (11 offices from Hollywood to Armonk), Gibson Dunn (8 offices from DC to Dallas), Mayer Brown (Chicago and Charlotte on the same schedule)

3. Do people have some insight into where the elite DC firms went in the bidding last year? I'm talking Williams & Connolly, Covington, WilmerHale etc...
1. It's the same attorneys doing the interviews for all of the offices, and they have a fixed number of slots regardless of the locations people are interested in. If your example firm had 20 slots, it's possible that all 20 of them would go to people who bid it top 10 for NY. If a firm has a Chicago office, it won't be around at the bottom of the bidlist, even if the other location is Bumfuck, Nowhere.

2. See #1. The more offices a firm has listed the faster it goes generally, unless those offices are all smaller secondary markets. If a firm has multiple offices in major markets listed together, it's going to go really early.

3. Pretty low, I think, but hopefully someone else can give you more precise information. I know some DC firms (I recall Latham specifically) were available off the signup sheet.

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Re: Northwestern OCI

Post by Anonymous User » Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:07 am

Kikero wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Three questions for the grown-ups:
3. Do people have some insight into where the elite DC firms went in the bidding last year? I'm talking Williams & Connolly, Covington, WilmerHale etc...
3. Pretty low, I think, but hopefully someone else can give you more precise information. I know some DC firms (I recall Latham specifically) were available off the signup sheet.
Following up on my previous question from earlier -- how low can we safely slot in firms like Cravath, DPW, S&C + etc grade selective NYC firms with huge class sizes?

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Re: Northwestern OCI

Post by Anonymous User » Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:26 am

Fwiw, I bidded Baker Mckenzie Chicago #2 last year and didn't get it. I don't even know why I wasted my #2 spot

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Re: Northwestern OCI

Post by Anonymous User » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:49 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Kikero wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Three questions for the grown-ups:
3. Do people have some insight into where the elite DC firms went in the bidding last year? I'm talking Williams & Connolly, Covington, WilmerHale etc...
3. Pretty low, I think, but hopefully someone else can give you more precise information. I know some DC firms (I recall Latham specifically) were available off the signup sheet.
Following up on my previous question from earlier -- how low can we safely slot in firms like Cravath, DPW, S&C + etc grade selective NYC firms with huge class sizes?
Very interested in learning this as well. Along the same lines, which non-Chicago firms typically should be bid very high?

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Re: Northwestern OCI

Post by Pokemon » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:17 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Three questions for the grown-ups:

1. When a firm has a single entry in Symplicity with multiple offices listed under that entry, does each office take up its own spot on a bid list? E.g. If Jagoff, Asshole & Douche is interviewing for NY, DC, Miami, and Anchorage, and I want to work in Anchorage, can I bid that at the bottom due to low demand for Anchorage, or will I have to bid higher to account for all the people that want to work for Jagoff's NY office?

2.Along similar lines, and dependent on the answer to the question above, do people have any idea of where firms go in the bidding when they don't break out their schedules by office and their offices might vary dramatically in demand? Places like Boies Schiller (11 offices from Hollywood to Armonk), Gibson Dunn (8 offices from DC to Dallas), Mayer Brown (Chicago and Charlotte on the same schedule)

3. Do people have some insight into where the elite DC firms went in the bidding last year? I'm talking Williams & Connolly, Covington, WilmerHale etc...

I recommend that you do not interview with a firm where the same people are interviewing in multiple offices if your interviewer is not from the office you want to go to. Say Jagoff sends their NYC attorneys to interview for all of their offices; unless you want to go to NYC, this can be risky cause there is only so much the NYC person cares about the rest.

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Re: Northwestern OCI

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Kikero wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Three questions for the grown-ups:
3. Do people have some insight into where the elite DC firms went in the bidding last year? I'm talking Williams & Connolly, Covington, WilmerHale etc...
3. Pretty low, I think, but hopefully someone else can give you more precise information. I know some DC firms (I recall Latham specifically) were available off the signup sheet.
Following up on my previous question from earlier -- how low can we safely slot in firms like Cravath, DPW, S&C + etc grade selective NYC firms with huge class sizes?
If they are not top-10, you might not get an interview. I did not get Linklaters at 8, and after 10, I would mostly not get NY firms rather than get them.
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Re: Northwestern OCI

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Kikero wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Three questions for the grown-ups:
3. Do people have some insight into where the elite DC firms went in the bidding last year? I'm talking Williams & Connolly, Covington, WilmerHale etc...
3. Pretty low, I think, but hopefully someone else can give you more precise information. I know some DC firms (I recall Latham specifically) were available off the signup sheet.
Following up on my previous question from earlier -- how low can we safely slot in firms like Cravath, DPW, S&C + etc grade selective NYC firms with huge class sizes?
Very interested in learning this as well. Along the same lines, which non-Chicago firms typically should be bid very high?
Big NY firms should be bid very high. It can actually be tough to successfully bid both Chicago and NYC since they get filled in the top-10 spots.


Slightly easier to bid, California + DC.

You can bid them 40 and still get an interview. Secondary markets like Boston/Atlanta, particularly if firm requires high GPA.

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Re: Northwestern OCI

Post by bananasplit19 » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:22 pm

me, from the Taking Questions Thread wrote:FYI, callback GPA info is up on Symplicity. Sad 40-45% response rate from Class of 2015. CSO to institute a pledge-to-fill-in-the-interview-tracker before OCI starts this year to offset Class of 2015's lack of school spirit.

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Re: Northwestern OCI

Post by Anonymous User » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:24 pm

Give this a whirl:

~3.54, targeting Chicago transactional work. I felt like adding Mayer/Sidley would be too many reach firms on that top 10 and would block out some firms with lower GPAs that I should target with decent class sizes in Chicago. Any thoughts? Tried to make the list pretty conservative to my knowledge. I thought KE and Skadden would go lower since people say they are hellish

1 Katten
2 Schiff
3 Chapman
4 McDermott
5 Baker & McKenzie
6 K&L
7 DLA Piper
8 Winston
9 Latham
10 Skadden
11 Kirkland

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