Summer Classes 2014 Edition Forum

[parkslope]

W&C – NYC

Harvard – 2
Chicago – 1
Columbia – 2
NYU – 2
Penn – 1
UVA – 1
Michigan – 1
Duke – 2
Northwestern – 2
Cornell – 5
Georgetown – 2
University of Toronto – 1
GW– 2
Emory – 2
Notre Dame – 2
Boston College – 1
Fordham – 1
Tulane – 1
American – 1
Cardozo – 1

Total = 33

Small class size for such a ranked Biglaw firm (samller than Cadwalader's?). Apparently very democratically spread across wide range of schools. Surprising.

2 from HYS

It's not democratic if the firm doesn't have a choice.

[Anonymous User]

When they have an 8 week program, pay under market, cancel planned outings because the budget ran out, and send out an email at 10:00 one morning (with 2 weeks left) saying they will no longer cover lunches (effective that day), then yeah it raises some questions, especially when they start refusing to cover callback expenses. V50-100 firm, BTW.

Whoaaaa....what firm is that? In NYC?

Sounds like a firm you could really ENJOY.

Not DLA, but NYC. DLA is back up to 160, but the firm in question is not.

Sounds like what I read on Kasowitz, which effectively withdraw an offer from my friend last OCI by "suggesting" he'd accept elsewhere.

I don't believe Kasowitz has been below market.

Obviously, yes in this situation that makes sense. But clearly the firms these guys are deciding between weren't having these issues, so your post is largely irrelevant.

But that aside, you really should (have) report(ed) this to abovethelaw. I don't get why you didn't.

I don't know why you're assuming I didn't report it.

And the suggestion was made that picking between firms based on their entertainment budgets was stupid, not that picking between V10s based on their budgets was stupid. The fact is that these budgets do send signals to students, as they are intended to. If students are stupid to make decisions based on these signals, then firms are just as stupid to spend money on sending these signals.

can confirm Kasowitz does not pay below market, and has a 10 week summer program

[AntipodeanPhil]

Somebody posted this on another thread and it is clearly Cravath though they called it "A NYC V10" instead:

95 total

3 Yale
0 Stanford
*18 Harvard
----21 out of 95
*17 Columbia
8 NYU
8 Chicago
----54 out of 95
1 Penn
5 Michigan
2 Virginia
----62 out of 95
1 Berkeley
1 Duke
2 Northwestern
1 Cornell
7 Gtown
----74 out of 95
4 Texas

Idk what the other schools are obviously.

Are we sure this is Cravath? If it is, those are disastrously bad numbers for Y + S.

Also, can someone explain to me why firms like W&C are still downsizing through their summer associate classes. W&C has 700 lawyers in NYC - they're not going to replace their losses with an incoming class of 33. Shouldn't they have downsized enough by now - the recession has been over for a while.

[Old Gregg]

Somebody posted this on another thread and it is clearly Cravath though they called it "A NYC V10" instead:

95 total

3 Yale
0 Stanford
*18 Harvard
----21 out of 95
*17 Columbia
8 NYU
8 Chicago
----54 out of 95
1 Penn
5 Michigan
2 Virginia
----62 out of 95
1 Berkeley
1 Duke
2 Northwestern
1 Cornell
7 Gtown
----74 out of 95
4 Texas

Idk what the other schools are obviously.

Are we sure this is Cravath? If it is, those are disastrously bad numbers for Y + S.

Also, can someone explain to me why firms like W&C are still downsizing through their summer associate classes. W&C has 700 lawyers in NYC - they're not going to replace their losses with an incoming class of 33. Shouldn't they have downsized enough by now - the recession has been over for a while.

They're not downsizing their summer classes. They just don't have enough work to keep anything higher busy. Such is the new normal for non-V15 firms basically.

[AntipodeanPhil]

Also, can someone explain to me why firms like W&C are still downsizing through their summer associate classes. W&C has 700 lawyers in NYC - they're not going to replace their losses with an incoming class of 33. Shouldn't they have downsized enough by now - the recession has been over for a while.

They're not downsizing their summer classes. They just don't have enough work to keep anything higher busy. Such is the new normal for non-V15 firms basically.

I get that they're not downsizing their summer classes anymore, since they probably hired a similar number last year, but they must be downsizing their firm. I can't believe that in an office with 700 lawyers, only 33 left last year. So, every year the firm does this, it's getting smaller (unless they hire a lot of laterals, which they don't seem to). If all the non-V15 are doing this, as you suggest, they're all getting smaller. But I thought demand for the services of biglaw firms had stayed fairly steady over the last two or three years.

[2014]

Are we sure this is Cravath? If it is, those are disastrously bad numbers for Y + S.

I'm certain of it. I don't have the list, so I can't vouch for the exact numbers, but I'm sure that if it is accurate/roughly accurate it can only be Cravath.

[goldeneye]

Also, can someone explain to me why firms like W&C are still downsizing through their summer associate classes. W&C has 700 lawyers in NYC - they're not going to replace their losses with an incoming class of 33. Shouldn't they have downsized enough by now - the recession has been over for a while.

They're not downsizing their summer classes. They just don't have enough work to keep anything higher busy. Such is the new normal for non-V15 firms basically.

I get that they're not downsizing their summer classes anymore, since they probably hired a similar number last year, but they must be downsizing their firm. I can't believe that in an office with 700 lawyers, only 33 left last year. So, every year the firm does this, it's getting smaller (unless they hire a lot of laterals, which they don't seem to). If all the non-V15 are doing this, as you suggest, they're all getting smaller. But I thought demand for the services of biglaw firms had stayed fairly steady over the last two or three years.

That was just their ny office it looked like, but the most recent NALP report seemed to show hiring was fairly flat.

[fishfry111]

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[Anonymous User]

Cleary NY

Yale - 5
Harvard - 17
Stanford - 4
Columbia - 15
Chicago - 1
NYU - 12
Penn - 4
Virginia - 1
Michigan - 2
Berkeley - 2
Duke - 4
NU - 3
Cornell - 3
GULC - 1
Fordham - 1
WUSTL - 1
Cardozo - 1
Brooklyn - 1
NYLS - 1

Total = 79

[fishfry111]

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[Danger Zone]

Out of 33, only 8 are from the T-7.

Stop.

[jbagelboy]

Cleary NY

Yale - 5
Harvard - 17
Stanford - 4
Columbia - 15
Chicago - 1
NYU - 12
Penn - 4
Virginia - 1
Michigan - 2
Berkeley - 2
Duke - 4
NU - 3
Cornell - 3
GULC - 1
Fordham - 1
WUSTL - 1
Cardozo - 1
Brooklyn - 1
NYLS - 1

Total = 79

Go NYLS !!!!!

Lol really though, that guy is a baller. Or very well connected.

[lgleye]

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[Old Gregg]

Cleary NY

Yale - 5
Harvard - 17
Stanford - 4
Columbia - 15
Chicago - 1
NYU - 12
Penn - 4
Virginia - 1
Michigan - 2
Berkeley - 2
Duke - 4
NU - 3
Cornell - 3
GULC - 1
Fordham - 1
WUSTL - 1
Cardozo - 1
Brooklyn - 1
NYLS - 1

Total = 79

Go NYLS !!!!!

Lol really though, that guy is a baller. Or very well connected.

Hopefully he or she got a full scholarship. Always great working in biglaw with little to no loans.

[Anonymous User]

Also, can someone explain to me why firms like W&C are still downsizing through their summer associate classes. W&C has 700 lawyers in NYC - they're not going to replace their losses with an incoming class of 33. Shouldn't they have downsized enough by now - the recession has been over for a while.

They're not downsizing their summer classes. They just don't have enough work to keep anything higher busy. Such is the new normal for non-V15 firms basically.

I get that they're not downsizing their summer classes anymore, since they probably hired a similar number last year, but they must be downsizing their firm. I can't believe that in an office with 700 lawyers, only 33 left last year. So, every year the firm does this, it's getting smaller (unless they hire a lot of laterals, which they don't seem to). If all the non-V15 are doing this, as you suggest, they're all getting smaller. But I thought demand for the services of biglaw firms had stayed fairly steady over the last two or three years.

That was just their ny office it looked like, but the most recent NALP report seemed to show hiring was fairly flat.

They don't have a NYC office - is that a typo? This is definitely the list for their DC office.

[bowser]

W&C is White and Case, no?

Also, Cleary with a really small class this year compared to the past three.

[Anonymous User]

W&C is White and Case, no?

Also, Cleary with a really small class this year compared to the past three.

whoops, I thought this was Williams & Connolly because of the number of students from my school.

[Old Gregg]

W&C is White and Case, no?

Also, Cleary with a really small class this year compared to the past three.

whoops, I thought this was Williams & Connolly because of the number of students from my school.

You're an idiot.

[welkertexasranger]

W&C is White and Case, no?

Also, Cleary with a really small class this year compared to the past three.

whoops, I thought this was Williams & Connolly because of the number of students from my school.

You're an idiot.

Zweitbester with the extremely useful and interesting response as always.

[911 crisis actor]

W&C is White and Case, no?

Also, Cleary with a really small class this year compared to the past three.

STB took a smaller class last summer but still ended up completely killing it over the year - don't read too much into hiring when it's done for two years out

[Old Gregg]

W&C is White and Case, no?

Also, Cleary with a really small class this year compared to the past three.

STB took a smaller class last summer but still ended up completely killing it over the year - don't read too much into hiring when it's done for two years out

...I don't think he was.

[Anonymous User]

Never mind

[Anonymous User]

Debevoise:

Harvard 13
Columbia 9
NYU 9
Yale 8
Stanford 5
Penn 5
GULC 4
Chicago 3
Duke 3
Brooklyn 3
Michigan 2
UVA 2
Berkeley 2
Cornell 2
Northwestern 1
Cardozo 1
BU 1
Howard 1
Rutgers 1
Seton Hall 1
St. John’s 1
UCLA 1
NYLS 1

[Anonymous User]

Jones Day Chicago, including 1Ls:

1 Yale
5 Harvard
2 Chicago
3 Michigan
1 Virginia
2 Northwestern
4 Notre Dame
2 Boston College
3 Illinois

Total: 23

[Anonymous User]

Skadden Chicago


Yale 2
Harvard 2
Stanford 1
Chicago 4
Penn 2
Michigan 4
Northwestern 5
Georgetown 2
Boston U 1
Loyola Chicago 2
U. of Maryland 1

Total 26