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Re: rough relation with partner at 1L SA firm

Post by underdawg » Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:26 am

dresden doll wrote:
bilbobaggins wrote:It would be bizarre to fire a productive employee over a single incident like the one described.
TBF, I did hear that two associates were fired last summer for kissing at a social event their firm threw. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if said firm was merely looking for an excuse to get rid of superfluous employees/cut the fat.
wasnt that two chix?

anyway, if OP is not flame, OP is pretty dumb. but some of you guys are being pretty ridiculous. SAs are not that important. being the guy who tells everyone every time he takes a long dump or grab some coffee seems just as likely to annoy the hell out of people as being the guy who takes random 20 minute breaks. plus there are lots of legit reasons to be not at your desk. am i supposed to tell people that i'm going to look for a treatise in the firm library? leave a note on my computer? lolol. when i get back in 5 mins, i'll check my email and phone.

seriously tho, wtf is the point of having bf come into work? that's just dumb. also, wtf 20 min breaks? smoke breaks are ~5 mins. shits are < 10 mins (if not, take some fiber) a vast majority of the time. jerk off on your own time
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Re: rough relation with partner at 1L SA firm

Post by A'nold » Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:32 am

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A'nold wrote:LOL. At my firm, we can basically do whatever we want. It is completely hands-off and everybody is super chill while being hard workers. We have early Friday drinking parties and go out to lunch bought by the firm's owner constantly. This is basically my dream job as they work very hard but play very hard as well. Coolest bunch of people I've ever worked with.
salary? major or secondary market?
Lol, my firm is not what you guys are after. I work in a small botique firm in a secondary market that pays 1L's like 1k a week (which I might add is AWESOME, at least to me).

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Re: rough relation with partner at 1L SA firm

Post by Pearalegal » Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:36 am

I didn't bother reading through all this--but your bb has an out of office feature. If you're going to be away from your desk and bb for longer than an hour, I'd say use it. A short, "I will be away from my desk and unavailable to answer emails from 1 pm to 3:30 this afternoon due to business meetings. I'm sorry for any inconvenience and please let me know if I can help with anything once I return to my desk" will do fine.

20 minutes is silly, you could be talking to another partner/associate, whatever. Plus, its rude to be bb'ing during a meeting, especially if its with a partner or higher up associate.

OP is also allowed to see their boyfriend at lunch--as long as its out of the office, never taking priority over networking and once a week or so. She's a summer, so I'd encourage her to strictly limit the BF lunches in order to network better and see him after work but c'mon, work isn't removed from the rest of your life. Don't have someone hanging around the office, but do keep relationships healthy enough to have someone to hang around with outside of the office.
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Re: rough relation with partner at 1L SA firm

Post by A'nold » Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:38 am

romothesavior wrote:ScaredWorkedBored's dad is a BADASS!!!
Dickhead.

Seriously, all you people thinking dude's dad's actions were even REMOTELY rational need to "grow up" or at least the people you work for. My bosses invite my wife to come to the office all the time and we bring our baby in to see everyone. No one gives a crap what you do with your time as long as you produce. Geesh. I though micro-managing like that was only for retail workers at Sears or entry level AP clerks....

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Post by mnolen » Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:51 am

ITT: OP realizes that real life is not Ally McBeal.

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Re: rough relation with partner at 1L SA firm

Post by romothesavior » Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:16 am

A'nold wrote:
romothesavior wrote:ScaredWorkedBored's dad is a BADASS!!!
Dickhead.

Seriously, all you people thinking dude's dad's actions were even REMOTELY rational need to "grow up" or at least the people you work for. My bosses invite my wife to come to the office all the time and we bring our baby in to see everyone. No one gives a crap what you do with your time as long as you produce. Geesh. I though micro-managing like that was only for retail workers at Sears or entry level AP clerks....
Whew... for a second there I thought you were calling me a dickhead A'nold! Scared me a little since you are my homeboy.

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Re: rough relation with partner at 1L SA firm

Post by dresden doll » Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:08 am

A'nold wrote:
romothesavior wrote:ScaredWorkedBored's dad is a BADASS!!!
Dickhead.

Seriously, all you people thinking dude's dad's actions were even REMOTELY rational need to "grow up" or at least the people you work for. My bosses invite my wife to come to the office all the time and we bring our baby in to see everyone. No one gives a crap what you do with your time as long as you produce. Geesh. I though micro-managing like that was only for retail workers at Sears or entry level AP clerks....
It's not a matter of micromanaging. It's a matter of the fact that privileged info is all over the place at a firm and that the boss has the right to ask that non-employees be kept out.

Obviously, if the boss is laidback and doesn't care, employees can lunch with SOs all they want. That's not OP's situation, however, and she ought to accept that.

As a side note, I think visits from spouses/kids are probably a notch above/more legit than visits from boyfriends and girlfriends. Just sayin'.

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Re: rough relation with partner at 1L SA firm

Post by ScaredWorkedBored » Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:51 am

A'nold wrote:
romothesavior wrote:ScaredWorkedBored's dad is a BADASS!!!
Dickhead.

Seriously, all you people thinking dude's dad's actions were even REMOTELY rational need to "grow up" or at least the people you work for. My bosses invite my wife to come to the office all the time and we bring our baby in to see everyone. No one gives a crap what you do with your time as long as you produce. Geesh. I though micro-managing like that was only for retail workers at Sears or entry level AP clerks....
This is why it's good to have some idea of the office culture of the place where you work. Your boss doesn't care about personal activity. That's honestly relatively unusual. Other bosses will terminate you as a matter of company policy if their computer audit shows non-work use to any degree. Nevermind doing anything in person on company time...

Company time = company resources. Not all employers go ballistic over it (although all will eventually whack someone they consider lazy, it's just a matter of how long...), but something to the degree of what the OP is talking about is an entirely different deal than "Bob likes to hang out at the watercooler." It's heightened in a law firm because of secrecy & a direct time=$$$ calculation, but no one is going to like unscheduled 20 minute breaks & similar. You'll be fired for that if you didn't clock out at hourly employment because, guess what, you're bilking the employer. If you are salaried, you are automatically bilking the employer. They do not like this. And TBH, you know that's what you're doing.

In the case of Skywalk Romeo, it was considered an unacceptable lack of discipline. Leaving your work area without permission because you "needed" to go cuddle with someone and then defending it like you had some moral right to do so is what most people would consider an "attitude problem." The corporates he pissed off had a very low tolerance for attitude problems and didn't consider whatever value he may have added as an employee over the baseline work at his job to be worth letting this sort of thing go. So they let him go instead.

Incidentally, more graduated punishments tend to be found in government or union shops. All "employee handbooks" at private, non-union companies state that you can be flat terminated at any time for any or no reason. So yeah, you do live on notice that this sort of thing can happen to you.

Speculating about permissive workplaces is not relevant because the OP, in what I'm sure is a huge surprise, does not work in one. It's also an incredibly dangerous assumption if you don't have express permission to be, well, lazy so long as work gets done. Your boss works to make money just as much as you do. It's almost always in his interest that you work your ass off. One way or another, his ass depends on yours being productive.

If this is really surprising to you, you probably should reconsider your choice in profession. OP is severely unprofessional for working in a large firm. They are basically businesses. And at any size firm, that sort of time wasting leads to overbilling. Which leads to either your being dismissed when someone catches on or you getting in ethical hot water when your client (or an ethics enforcer-inclined supervisor) catches on.
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Re: rough relation with partner at 1L SA firm

Post by romothesavior » Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:55 am

ScaredWorkedBored wrote:
A'nold wrote:
romothesavior wrote:ScaredWorkedBored's dad is a BADASS!!!
Dickhead.

Seriously, all you people thinking dude's dad's actions were even REMOTELY rational need to "grow up" or at least the people you work for. My bosses invite my wife to come to the office all the time and we bring our baby in to see everyone. No one gives a crap what you do with your time as long as you produce. Geesh. I though micro-managing like that was only for retail workers at Sears or entry level AP clerks....
This is why it's good to have some idea of the office culture of the place where you work. Your boss doesn't care about personal activity. That's honestly relatively unusual. Other bosses will terminate you as a matter of company policy if their computer audit shows non-work use to any degree. Nevermind doing anything in person on company time...

Company time = company resources. Not all employers go ballistic over it (although all will eventually whack someone they consider lazy, it's just a matter of how long...), but something to the degree of what the OP is talking about is an entirely different deal than "Bob likes to hang out at the watercooler." It's heightened in a law firm because of secrecy & a direct time=$$$ calculation, but no one is going to like unscheduled 20 minute breaks & similar. You'll be fired for that if you didn't clock out at hourly employment because, guess what, you're bilking the employer. If you are salaried, you are automatically bilking the employer. They do not like this. And TBH, you know that's what you're doing.
I can't speak to firms, but the companies I have worked for have been nothing like this, nor have any of my friends who have worked in other companies reported a culture like this. I cannot even fathom someone at my job being fired for being away from their desk for 20 minutes or using the computer for non-business use. For repeated violations? Yeah, perhaps. A one and done situation? Hell no. You are exaggerating in the extreme.

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Re: rough relation with partner at 1L SA firm

Post by romothesavior » Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:59 am

But hey, thanks for the condescending speech, mom!

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Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:19 pm

Having worked at the most prestigious consulting firm in the world, I find most of these comments to be hilarious overreactions. Sure, you don't want people outside the firm to see confidential material, so you don't take them in any rooms where said material is lying around. It's truly that simple.

Most employers will not terminate individuals based on one incident of this sort. It costs way too much to rehire and retrain someone when all that's needed in the first instance is a stern conversation about acceptable workplace behavior. Any other result from a single offense of this nature is an overreaction.

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Post by Eric475 » Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:50 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Having worked at the most prestigious consulting firm in the world, I find most of these comments to be hilarious overreactions. Sure, you don't want people outside the firm to see confidential material, so you don't take them in any rooms where said material is lying around. It's truly that simple.

Most employers will not terminate individuals based on one incident of this sort. It costs way too much to rehire and retrain someone when all that's needed in the first instance is a stern conversation about acceptable workplace behavior. Any other result from a single offense of this nature is an overreaction.
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Post by 270910 » Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:16 pm

romothesavior wrote:
ScaredWorkedBored wrote: {lengthy screed insinuating you will be summarily executed, or at least fired, for even receiving a personal email, whether you check it or not, at any employer, anywhere, ever}
I can't speak to firms, but the companies I have worked for have been nothing like this, nor have any of my friends who have worked in other companies reported a culture like this. I cannot even fathom someone at my job being fired for being away from their desk for 20 minutes or using the computer for non-business use. For repeated violations? Yeah, perhaps. A one and done situation? Hell no. You are exaggerating in the extreme.
+1 to romo. Outside of the specific anecdote (terminating an employee for cuddling on the clock, which seems relatively defensible) nothing SWB wrote jives with any of my or others experiences whatsoever, and seems like it massively overstates the need to be zealously on-clock at all times.

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Post by romothesavior » Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:24 pm

disco_barred wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
ScaredWorkedBored wrote: {lengthy screed insinuating you will be summarily executed, or at least fired, for even receiving a personal email, whether you check it or not, at any employer, anywhere, ever}
I can't speak to firms, but the companies I have worked for have been nothing like this, nor have any of my friends who have worked in other companies reported a culture like this. I cannot even fathom someone at my job being fired for being away from their desk for 20 minutes or using the computer for non-business use. For repeated violations? Yeah, perhaps. A one and done situation? Hell no. You are exaggerating in the extreme.
+1 to romo. Outside of the specific anecdote (terminating an employee for cuddling on the clock, which seems relatively defensible) nothing SWB wrote jives with any of my or others experiences whatsoever, and seems like it massively overstates the need to be zealously on-clock at all times.

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Re: rough relation with partner at 1L SA firm

Post by Patriot1208 » Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:36 pm

romothesavior wrote:
ScaredWorkedBored wrote:
A'nold wrote:
romothesavior wrote:ScaredWorkedBored's dad is a BADASS!!!
Dickhead.

Seriously, all you people thinking dude's dad's actions were even REMOTELY rational need to "grow up" or at least the people you work for. My bosses invite my wife to come to the office all the time and we bring our baby in to see everyone. No one gives a crap what you do with your time as long as you produce. Geesh. I though micro-managing like that was only for retail workers at Sears or entry level AP clerks....
This is why it's good to have some idea of the office culture of the place where you work. Your boss doesn't care about personal activity. That's honestly relatively unusual. Other bosses will terminate you as a matter of company policy if their computer audit shows non-work use to any degree. Nevermind doing anything in person on company time...

Company time = company resources. Not all employers go ballistic over it (although all will eventually whack someone they consider lazy, it's just a matter of how long...), but something to the degree of what the OP is talking about is an entirely different deal than "Bob likes to hang out at the watercooler." It's heightened in a law firm because of secrecy & a direct time=$$$ calculation, but no one is going to like unscheduled 20 minute breaks & similar. You'll be fired for that if you didn't clock out at hourly employment because, guess what, you're bilking the employer. If you are salaried, you are automatically bilking the employer. They do not like this. And TBH, you know that's what you're doing.
I can't speak to firms, but the companies I have worked for have been nothing like this, nor have any of my friends who have worked in other companies reported a culture like this. I cannot even fathom someone at my job being fired for being away from their desk for 20 minutes or using the computer for non-business use. For repeated violations? Yeah, perhaps. A one and done situation? Hell no. You are exaggerating in the extreme.
Just work for the federal government, then you can do whatever the fuck you want.

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Patriot1208 wrote:Just work for the federal government, then you can do whatever the fuck you want.
And if you DO manage to get fired, you can just sue and get some cash money afterward! FED GOV SETTLEMENT TO 190!

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Re: rough relation with partner at 1L SA firm

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disco_barred wrote:
Patriot1208 wrote:Just work for the federal government, then you can do whatever the fuck you want.
And if you DO manage to get fired, you can just sue and get some cash money afterward! FED GOV SETTLEMENT TO 190!
I didn't know you could get fired from the federal government? I honestly work with a guy who has been caught watching porn at his desk twice and still has his job.

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Post by Jojo » Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:15 pm

A'nold wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
A'nold wrote:LOL. At my firm, we can basically do whatever we want. It is completely hands-off and everybody is super chill while being hard workers. We have early Friday drinking parties and go out to lunch bought by the firm's owner constantly. This is basically my dream job as they work very hard but play very hard as well. Coolest bunch of people I've ever worked with.
salary? major or secondary market?
Lol, my firm is not what you guys are after. I work in a small botique firm in a secondary market that pays 1L's like 1k a week (which I might add is AWESOME, at least to me).
Actually, this is exactly what I want.

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Post by romothesavior » Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:22 pm

Jojo wrote:
A'nold wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
A'nold wrote:LOL. At my firm, we can basically do whatever we want. It is completely hands-off and everybody is super chill while being hard workers. We have early Friday drinking parties and go out to lunch bought by the firm's owner constantly. This is basically my dream job as they work very hard but play very hard as well. Coolest bunch of people I've ever worked with.
salary? major or secondary market?
Lol, my firm is not what you guys are after. I work in a small botique firm in a secondary market that pays 1L's like 1k a week (which I might add is AWESOME, at least to me).
Actually, this is exactly what I want.
Yeah no shit, a'nold. Put in a good word for me?

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Post by UCLAtransfer » Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:50 pm

romothesavior wrote:
A'nold wrote:
romothesavior wrote:ScaredWorkedBored's dad is a BADASS!!!
Dickhead.

Seriously, all you people thinking dude's dad's actions were even REMOTELY rational need to "grow up" or at least the people you work for. My bosses invite my wife to come to the office all the time and we bring our baby in to see everyone. No one gives a crap what you do with your time as long as you produce. Geesh. I though micro-managing like that was only for retail workers at Sears or entry level AP clerks....
Whew... for a second there I thought you were calling me a dickhead A'nold! Scared me a little since you are my homeboy.
Haha I kinda thought that the first 3 times I read it too. I'm glad it looks like A'nold's scorn will be reserved for those who deserve it!

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