From Rejected to Accepted (same year) Forum
- Z'Barron
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From Rejected to Accepted (same year)
If an applicant got waitlisted (until the first day of classes) by a top-10 school last year, applied to the same school this year and got rejected outright, then raised his/her LSAT score by 10 points (from 159 to 169) in June-2009, what do you think would be his/her chances of successfully appealing the decision in the summer (no other changes)?
Does the applicant have a shot at a reversal?
Does the applicant have a shot at a reversal?
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- h2ho
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Re: From Rejected to Accepted (same year)
I would doubt it. Get a 179, and maybe.
- airlineraddict
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Re: From Rejected to Accepted (same year)
LOL I don't understand how you thought you'd get a decision that was any different by applying again.Z'Barron wrote:If an applicant got waitlisted (until the first day of classes) by a top-10 school last year, applied to the same school this year and got rejected outright, then raised his/her LSAT score by 10 points (from 159 to 169) in June-2009, what do you think would be his/her chances of successfully appealing the decision in the summer (no other changes)?
Does the applicant have a shot at a reversal?
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airlineraddict wrote:LOL I don't understand how you thought you'd get a decision that was any different by applying again.Z'Barron wrote:If an applicant got waitlisted (until the first day of classes) by a top-10 school last year, applied to the same school this year and got rejected outright, then raised his/her LSAT score by 10 points (from 159 to 169) in June-2009, what do you think would be his/her chances of successfully appealing the decision in the summer (no other changes)?
Does the applicant have a shot at a reversal?
Um...actually..if he was waitlisted the first time, it makes perfect sense to apply again. The applicant pool is different, he might have re-written his PS/added a DS/added an addendum. He might have applied earlier, upping his chances. I think it is perfectly reasonable to re-appy to a school, particularly one that waitlisted you (after all, they must have liked him).
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- airlineraddict
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Re: From Rejected to Accepted (same year)
Not really. If he was waitlisted the first time around, there's no reason to believe his decision would change the second time around, assuming no substantive change in the application.Um...actually..if he was waitlisted the first time, it makes perfect sense to apply again.
You seem to be of the view that waitlists are acceptances that law schools could've given if they had space. That's true... to an extent. But the problem is that waitlists still aren't acceptances. Waitlists are often not even based on space issues. I was waitlisted at one school last year, a school at which I had absolutely no chance. They kept a lot of people with my numbers on the waitlist, but everyone know (and LSN showed) that they wouldn't dig nearly enough down the waitlist to get to us. The fact is, if the admissions committee found his application strong enough for an acceptance the second time around, odds are they would have found his application strong enough for an acceptance the first time around.
Change in timing, essays, or recommendations won't do much. Substantive changes: Significant addition of soft factor, GPA change, or new LSAT score.
Source: Anna Ivey's book.
Edit: Allow me to preface my post with "um..." so I hope to sound like a massive bitch, but really come off as an arrogant tool.
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airlineraddict wrote:Not really. If he was waitlisted the first time around, there's no reason to believe his decision would change the second time around, assuming no substantive change in the application.Um...actually..if he was waitlisted the first time, it makes perfect sense to apply again.
You seem to be of the view that waitlists are acceptances that law schools could've given if they had space. That's true... to an extent. But the problem is that waitlists still aren't acceptances. Waitlists are often not even based on space issues. I was waitlisted at one school last year, a school at which I had absolutely no chance. They kept a lot of people with my numbers on the waitlist, but everyone know (and LSN showed) that they wouldn't dig nearly enough down the waitlist to get to us. The fact is, if the admissions committee found his application strong enough for an acceptance the second time around, odds are they would have found his application strong enough for an acceptance the first time around.
Change in timing, essays, or recommendations won't do much. Substantive changes: Significant addition of soft factor, GPA change, or new LSAT score.Source: Anna Ivey's book.
Edit: Allow me to preface my post with "um..." so I hope to sound like a massive bitch, but really come off as an arrogant tool.
And apparently you know OP well enough to know that he didn't have any of the aforementioned "substantive changes."
I guess it's less bitchy to start a post with "LOL".
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airlineraddict wrote:LOL I don't understand how you thought you'd get a decision that was any different by applying again.Z'Barron wrote:If an applicant got waitlisted (until the first day of classes) by a top-10 school last year, applied to the same school this year and got rejected outright, then raised his/her LSAT score by 10 points (from 159 to 169) in June-2009, what do you think would be his/her chances of successfully appealing the decision in the summer (no other changes)?
Does the applicant have a shot at a reversal?
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Considering the LSAT score probably didn't change, odds are nothing else substantive did. Sorry for basing my post on probabilities.And apparently you know OP well enough to know that he didn't have any of the aforementioned "substantive changes."
It is probably just as bitchy, but not nearly as arrogantly toolish.I guess it's less bitchy to start a post with "LOL".
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So Anna Ivey Jr., what are your recommendations for people who choose to scrap their cycle and re-apply next year? They should apply to all different schools?
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airlineraddict wrote:Considering the LSAT score probably didn't change, odds are nothing else substantive did. Sorry for basing my post on probabilities.And apparently you know OP well enough to know that he didn't have any of the aforementioned "substantive changes."
It is probably just as bitchy, but not nearly as arrogantly toolish.I guess it's less bitchy to start a post with "LOL".
Actually, I wasn't trying to be bitchy, I just say "umm" when I'm thinking quite a bit. Expect the rest of my posts to you to be bitchy and/or toolish though. It will henceforth be intentional.
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Clearly the advice would be "significantly improve your application before June."h2ho wrote:So Anna Ivey Jr., what are your recommendations for people who choose to scrap their cycle and re-apply next year? They should apply to all different schools?
Come on you guys, there's no need to argue. 10,000 years, peace is now. Apologies, handshakes, friendship, mutual respect?
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Who choose to "scrap their cycle"? What does that even mean? To withdraw one's applications? That one got rejected everywhere?h2ho wrote:So Anna Ivey Jr., what are your recommendations for people who choose to scrap their cycle and re-apply next year? They should apply to all different schools?
Yes, if you got rejected everywhere, it probably means you weren't targeting the right schools, given your numbers. Thus, you should apply to different schools.
But, if you, say, raise your GPA significantly or get a higher LSAT score (outside of one standard deviation), you can try applying again. This is assuming that the new numbers would give you a reasonable shot (and to determine this, you use hourmd, LSN, or even just the school's published percentiles).
You'll have to forgive me if I intended to presume that anyways.Actually, I wasn't trying to be bitchy, I just say "umm" when I'm thinking quite a bit. Expect the rest of my posts to you to be bitchy and/or toolish though. It will henceforth be intentional.
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- airlineraddict
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Yeah, I don't understand how this is so hard for h2ho to understand.Clearly the advice would be "significantly improve your application before June."
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Your LOCI should read:
Your LOCI wrote:LOL um... admit me this time?
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Re: From Rejected to Accepted (same year)
Cleareyes wrote:Clearly the advice would be "significantly improve your application before June."h2ho wrote:So Anna Ivey Jr., what are your recommendations for people who choose to scrap their cycle and re-apply next year? They should apply to all different schools?
Come on you guys, there's no need to argue. 10,000 years, peace is now. Apologies, handshakes, friendship, mutual respect?
Well all I really meant to say is, I don't think OP re-applying to a school at which he was waitlisted the previous year is "LOL" worthy. It doesn't seem moronic to me in the least, especially since we really don't know whether or not he significantly improved his application from the first time to the second.
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I think it's LOL-worthy, since the OP probably didn't substantively improve his application. You'll have to cite the international standards of LOL-worthiness to prove me wrongWell all I really meant to say is, I don't think OP re-applying to a school at which he was waitlisted the previous year is "LOL" worthy. It doesn't seem moronic to me in the least, especially since we really don't know whether or not he significantly improved his application from the first time to the second.
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Okay. Well I would say given the low initial LSAT score if OP decided to withdraw it seems very odd to retake as late as June instead of trying that in, say, September and December (which presumably did not happen or the June retake would have been impossible.) Perhaps it was a frustrated LOL by someone who wants to help but cannot because it has become too late to save the application for this cycle?h2ho wrote:Cleareyes wrote:Clearly the advice would be "significantly improve your application before June."h2ho wrote:So Anna Ivey Jr., what are your recommendations for people who choose to scrap their cycle and re-apply next year? They should apply to all different schools?
Come on you guys, there's no need to argue. 10,000 years, peace is now. Apologies, handshakes, friendship, mutual respect?
Well all I really meant to say is, I don't think OP re-applying to a school at which he was waitlisted the previous year is "LOL" worthy. It doesn't seem moronic to me in the least, especially since we really don't know whether or not he significantly improved his application from the first time to the second.
I also think that the idea that retaking the June LSAT would move you from the reject pile to acceptance this year is kind of cynical, if not entirely ridiculous. Perhaps it was a LOL against the perceived unfairness of the world we share. A LOL to keep despair at bay.
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Re: From Rejected to Accepted (same year)
airlineraddict wrote:Who choose to "scrap their cycle"? What does that even mean? To withdraw one's applications? That one got rejected everywhere?h2ho wrote:So Anna Ivey Jr., what are your recommendations for people who choose to scrap their cycle and re-apply next year? They should apply to all different schools?
Yes, if you got rejected everywhere, it probably means you weren't targeting the right schools, given your numbers. Thus, you should apply to different schools.
who got rejected everywhere? i "scrapped" a cycle once because I had cancer, was that dumb? I think there are often compelling reasons.
I guess I just don't "LOL" at people right off the bat, until I know a little more of the circumstances.
And obviously my first comment agreed with Cleareyes that it would be essentially impossible for the June LSAT to matter for OP's situation.
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Re: From Rejected to Accepted (same year)
Nah, the LOL was purely an indication that the OP and subsequent posts humored me. Assuming I'm right about there being no substantive change, OP probably wasted 100$ and a year of his life in applying again. I don't know about you, but for me that one year is a colossal waste.
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Re: From Rejected to Accepted (same year)
Are you daft or something? I didn't know what you meant by "scrapped a cycle," so I interpreted it as getting rejected everywhere. If you mean "withdrew your applications," then sure go ahead and apply again. I never denied that there could be compelling reasons for "scrapping a cycle" (under your now apparent interpretation of the phrase).who got rejected everywhere? i "scrapped" a cycle once because I had cancer, was that dumb? I think there are often compelling reasons.
Yes, but you will "um..." at them. Interesting.I guess I just don't "LOL" at people right off the bat, until I know a little more of the circumstances.
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- h2ho
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Re: From Rejected to Accepted (same year)
airlineraddict wrote:Are you daft or something? I didn't know what you meant by "scrapped a cycle," so I interpreted it as getting rejected everywhere. If you mean "withdrew your applications," then sure go ahead and apply again. I never denied that there could be compelling reasons for "scrapping a cycle" (under your now apparent interpretation of the phrase).who got rejected everywhere? i "scrapped" a cycle once because I had cancer, was that dumb? I think there are often compelling reasons.
Yes, but you will "um..." at them. Interesting.I guess I just don't "LOL" at people right off the bat, until I know a little more of the circumstances.
I guess it was too much of a jump for you to think that "scrapped a cycle" meant doing exactly what the OP stated he did and what we'd been talking about in this thread so far-- starting over.
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airlineraddict wrote:Are you daft or something? I didn't know what you meant by "scrapped a cycle," so I interpreted it as getting rejected everywhere. If you mean "withdrew your applications," then sure go ahead and apply again. I never denied that there could be compelling reasons for "scrapping a cycle" (under your now apparent interpretation of the phrase).who got rejected everywhere? i "scrapped" a cycle once because I had cancer, was that dumb? I think there are often compelling reasons.
Yes, but you will "um..." at them. Interesting.I guess I just don't "LOL" at people right off the bat, until I know a little more of the circumstances.
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If that's the case, then your subsequent post is irrelevant. This one:I guess it was too much of a jump for you to think that "scrapped a cycle" meant doing exactly what the OP stated he did and what we'd been talking about in this thread so far-- starting over.
If the OP was rejected at THAT school (as in, he DIDN'T withdraw because he had cancer), then he shouldn't apply again unless his application substantively changes.who got rejected everywhere? i "scrapped" a cycle once because I had cancer, was that dumb? I think there are often compelling reasons.
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Re: From Rejected to Accepted (same year)
airlineraddict wrote:If that's the case, then your subsequent post is irrelevant. This one:I guess it was too much of a jump for you to think that "scrapped a cycle" meant doing exactly what the OP stated he did and what we'd been talking about in this thread so far-- starting over.If the OP was rejected at THAT school (as in, he DIDN'T withdraw because he had cancer), then he shouldn't apply again unless his application substantively changes.who got rejected everywhere? i "scrapped" a cycle once because I had cancer, was that dumb? I think there are often compelling reasons.
I started a long explanation, and then I realized I don't care. This is boring. LOL. You're right! OMG. Um.... OK, OP is a moron and should be shot for choosing to use his money in a way that airlineraddict thinks is foolish. Oh well. LOL.
edit: the only reason i thought you were being a douche is because he wasn't asking for your opinion about whether or not he should have re-applied. he had a very specific question about the june lsat and an appeal. you only brought that up to make him feel stupid, which is kind of mean. clearly there's nothing he can do about that at this point.
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