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Objection · Post by **Objection** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:44 pm

Yeah, I selected regular applicant but I am going to call them tomorrow to try and get switched to "loan-only."

dueprocess14 · Post by **dueprocess14** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:09 pm

totalidiot wrote:So, if I plan (assuming I do well) on clerking and then working for the federal government, am I pretty much screwed if I'm taking out all this stuff on GradPLUS and Stafford unsubsidized?

No. I don't remember the exact specifics, but as long as what you do AFTER you clerk qualifies for LIPP, they will count those years toward LIPP. If you don't, they will still pay off your loans for you in the mean time, and then if you take a corporate job (where you get a sweet post-clerking bonus), you owe them those years of loans back.

Believe me, clerkships are important for the university, so they will make sure you can afford to do them.

dueprocess14 · Post by **dueprocess14** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:11 pm

Also, did anyone get an email from the director of the Human Rights Program? Trying to gauge if this is another mass-mail or not...

KosovasLostSon · Post by **KosovasLostSon** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:16 pm

YESS!!! BOY!! I'M IN!!! FROM THE OUTHOUSE TO THE PENTHOUSE!!! THE THIRD WORLD REPRESENTS!! TIME TO TAKE DEAD AIM AT THE RICH BOYS!!!

"You guys have it real easy. I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you’re going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you."

-Rushmore

(lol. No, I did not even apply to Harvard... But found this post amusing. I will take dead aim at the rich boys at whatever school I do end up at.)

Krswmact · Post by **Krswmact** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:39 am

zabagabe wrote:Also, did anyone get an email from the director of the Human Rights Program? Trying to gauge if this is another mass-mail or not...

I did not get this email so it was probably geared towards those who expressed an interest in this area. I did receive another student email though.

iagolives · Post by **iagolives** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:43 am

Krswmact wrote:
zabagabe wrote:Also, did anyone get an email from the director of the Human Rights Program? Trying to gauge if this is another mass-mail or not...
I did not get this email so it was probably geared towards those who expressed an interest in this area. I did receive another student email though.

Yeah, I didn't get it either. It was definitely a directed one. Also, I hope I get a student email this time; I never got one.

masterpinky0509 · Post by **masterpinky0509** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:52 am

Question regarding Dean's Certification: should I send that in ASAP? Or do they want it after midterm grades 2nd semester or something like that, to make sure I'm not completely dicking off in my last term?

dueprocess14 · Post by **dueprocess14** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:11 pm

I'm pretty sure they want it after graduation, to confirm you did, in fact, get the degree.

sry · Post by **sry** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:26 pm

how much dicking around do you think is allowed in your last semester?

iagolives · Post by **iagolives** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:35 pm

sry wrote:how much dicking around do you think is allowed in your last semester?

I'd say just pass everything and you're fine. However, remember that someone might want to see those transcripts someday....

Objection · Post by **Objection** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:42 pm

So uh...

What class are ya'll thinking of visiting?

Lots of good options.

I'm thinking Con Law 1st Amendment.

Although Con Law Sep of Powers, Federalism, 14th might be good.

But then again, federal litigation sounds fun...

*head explodes*

SouthernElle · Post by **SouthernElle** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:51 pm

I signed up for Trust, Vision, and Doubt in Law, Politics, and Ethics- but really, as long as they don't put me in an 8 am section, I think I'll enjoy whatever they give me.

Objection · Post by **Objection** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:08 pm

Con Law 1st Amendment
Fed Lit
Crim Law 4th 5th and 6th

Top 3 choices.

Not sure whether I want Fed Lit or Con Law to be 1st.

excitedutterance · Post by **excitedutterance** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:30 pm

Objection wrote:Con Law 1st Amendment
Fed Lit
Crim Law 4th 5th and 6th

Top 3 choices.

Not sure whether I want Fed Lit or Con Law to be 1st.

Similar:
Con Law 1st Amendment
Crim Law/Police Action and 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendment
Federal Litigation

Objection · Post by **Objection** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:36 pm

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I'm confused how to interpret those grades.

WTF is a 7.2?

What kind of system is that?

meesawoosa · Post by **meesawoosa** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:37 pm

Objection wrote:Yeah, I selected regular applicant but I am going to call them tomorrow to try and get switched to "loan-only."

hey objection,
did you call? did they let you switch? can you let us know... i'm considering making the same call myself.

Objection · Post by **Objection** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:38 pm

meesawoosa wrote:
Objection wrote:Yeah, I selected regular applicant but I am going to call them tomorrow to try and get switched to "loan-only."
hey objection,
did you call? did they let you switch? can you let us know... i'm considering making the same call myself.

They said send them an email and they'd be happy to do it.

excitedutterance · Post by **excitedutterance** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:49 pm

Objection wrote:http://www.law.harvard.edu/academics/re ... toffs.html

I'm confused how to interpret those grades.

WTF is a 7.2?

What kind of system is that?

Haha. It's the old HLS GPA system: A+ = 8; A = 7; A- = 6; B+ = 5; and so on. 7.2 was the cutoff for Magna Cum Laude, if I remember correctly. I'm far too lazy to click the link.

Objection · Post by **Objection** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:04 pm

7.2 was cutoff for summa

magna is top 10%

cum laude is top 30%

excitedutterance · Post by **excitedutterance** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:49 pm

Objection wrote:7.2 was cutoff for summa

magna is top 10%

cum laude is top 30%

close enough. not like it matters anymore, haha.

Objection · Post by **Objection** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:49 pm

How will it work with the new grading system?

excitedutterance · Post by **excitedutterance** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:07 pm

I dunno. Everybody wins!

Or maybe they give honors based on number of H's or something.

iagolives · Post by **iagolives** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:07 pm

Ya, I did Minow's Con Law: Separation of Powers, Fallon's Federal Courts, and the Comparative Constitutional Law Course.

And yes, I know, my interests are rather apparent.

Krswmact · Post by **Krswmact** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:13 am

Im thinking admin law, con law-1st amendment, and i cant choose

CallMeCrazy · Post by **CallMeCrazy** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:08 am

turkfish wrote:
CallMeCrazy wrote:FYI- Harvard professors do follow a strict curve. Almost over 20% of my section received LPs in each course...
This is absolutely not true. The % of LPs per class is no more than 10% on average. No one I've talked to at HLS thinks otherwise, and there have been multiple grade surveys backing the 10% or less number up. Well over half of my section did not receive any LPs. That said, HLS professors do follow a strict curve, but the exact numbers on the curve are not clear. H seems to be between 30-35% and LP is very close to 10% but definitely not more than that.

On an informal section survey, over 80% of the respondents said that they preferred the new system to the old. And for those worried about not having great exams be rewarded, HLS allows professors to give 1-2 discretionary "Dean's Scholar" awards per class. This is kind of nice because the awards don't really hurt those that don't get them since the actual grade is the same as everyone else who got an H, but it still rewards excellence in a visible way.

Here's a link to the surveys on grades. Take a look at section 5, notice it's the only section that had full participation: --LinkRemoved--

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