Brooklyn Vs Hofstra Forum

[Z'Barron]

If 3.25 = Top 1/3, it shouldn't scare you off (your confidence level is important), but it's definately something to consider.

[Z'Barron]

OMG WOW!!!! Zbarron... No offense... But you are absolutely clueless... Wow.

Ok let me explain to you how the real world works... Try to follow, because I am only doing this one time...

Less than 10% of BLS'S class will get biglaw.. That is pathetic. You cannot go to bls and get biglaw if you want... You can go and prey to god you hit the top 10%... Thats very hard to do at any law school.. I say this not having read a book about it, but having graduated law school..

Brooklyn is by far the most notorious mess of a school as far as fudging their numbers.. They have used false career stats for a decade, padding them with temp attorney salaries and presenting deceptively small portions of the class as representative of actual stats..

As far as being a good litigator... This is the funniest thing you've said.... I was midling student at my ttt, however, in trial competitions, god help the kids that went against me.. CALI award in anything relating to procedure or litigation... I work at a 75 atty firm as a litigator.. you learn most of what you use as a litigator at a firm, not in school.. And much of it is learning as you go, not being taught..

Quite frankly, you are either an admissions troll from bls or a kid that was fooled by the glossy-pretty admin brochure.. Either way, your advice to the OP is downright destructive and you should discontinue it right away.. Its irresponsible..


OS... My whole thing with op is that if he wanted to be a run of the mill litigator, etc, bls or Hof are both ok.. Not the best, but def ok.. But getting biglaw or midlaw out of either, especially in a tax practice is like trapping a unicorn... Could happen, i guess, but don't count on it..

If he wants what he says he wants... Fordham is really where he should be targeting, not these schools... These schools place people in shitlaw, with the top 30 kids (not 30% top 30 people) going to biglaw etc.. Those are terrible odds..

Either you are a Hofstra admissions troll or a BLS reject with some bitterness. lol.

Seriously, though...where did I say Brooklyn was Columbia? or Fordham? Sure OP should go to the best school available; that's a no-brainer. But I thought we were comparing BLS to Hofstra. And I thought we were talking scholarship at a school whose curve is obviously well below its minimum scholarship gpa. Read the other posts dude. Just about everyone but you seems to agree with me.

Let's get real, all of the schools are fudging numbers, and I am well aware of the stats. Only the top 5-10%, in any year, at either will go BigLaw. But I spoke of courtroom lit as being the draw at BLS. There's plenty of evidence of BLS's practical ed. in lit. If you want to be a prosecutor/defense atty, go to BLS.

But I do realize that nothing is guaranteed, and I have never claimed anything to the contrary.

[OperaSoprano]

OMG WOW!!!! Zbarron... No offense... But you are absolutely clueless... Wow.

Ok let me explain to you how the real world works... Try to follow, because I am only doing this one time...

Less than 10% of BLS'S class will get biglaw.. That is pathetic. You cannot go to bls and get biglaw if you want... You can go and prey to god you hit the top 10%... Thats very hard to do at any law school.. I say this not having read a book about it, but having graduated law school..

Brooklyn is by far the most notorious mess of a school as far as fudging their numbers.. They have used false career stats for a decade, padding them with temp attorney salaries and presenting deceptively small portions of the class as representative of actual stats..

As far as being a good litigator... This is the funniest thing you've said.... I was midling student at my ttt, however, in trial competitions, god help the kids that went against me.. CALI award in anything relating to procedure or litigation... I work at a 75 atty firm as a litigator.. you learn most of what you use as a litigator at a firm, not in school.. And much of it is learning as you go, not being taught..

Quite frankly, you are either an admissions troll from bls or a kid that was fooled by the glossy-pretty admin brochure.. Either way, your advice to the OP is downright destructive and you should discontinue it right away.. Its irresponsible..


OS... My whole thing with op is that if he wanted to be a run of the mill litigator, etc, bls or Hof are both ok.. Not the best, but def ok.. But getting biglaw or midlaw out of either, especially in a tax practice is like trapping a unicorn... Could happen, i guess, but don't count on it..

If he wants what he says he wants... Fordham is really where he should be targeting, not these schools... These schools place people in shitlaw, with the top 30 kids (not 30% top 30 people) going to biglaw etc.. Those are terrible odds..

What you said about Fordham... I second it. This isn't just egregious trolling for my school; I really do feel that OP's interests line up pretty damn well with Fordham's strengths. Unfortunately, he would definitely need to retake even to get into the part time program, where I will be. Fordham is not a guarantee, but it will give him a great shot at the kind of legal job he wants.

No one wants to have to retake, but it isn't the end of the world. I was entering my third month of intensive retake prep when I received my own good news. It seemed like a small price to pay to get off that waitlist. Fortunately, the acceptance gods intervened, and I never had to go through with it. I never wanted to join the "retake and go T14 or die" chorus, but this OP would be so much better served at a school like Fordham. In a case like this, it's worth the trouble. I was more than prepared to follow my own advice.

['04 Grad]

OMG WOW!!!! Zbarron... No offense... But you are absolutely clueless... Wow.

Ok let me explain to you how the real world works... Try to follow, because I am only doing this one time...

Less than 10% of BLS'S class will get biglaw.. That is pathetic. You cannot go to bls and get biglaw if you want... You can go and prey to god you hit the top 10%... Thats very hard to do at any law school.. I say this not having read a book about it, but having graduated law school..

Brooklyn is by far the most notorious mess of a school as far as fudging their numbers.. They have used false career stats for a decade, padding them with temp attorney salaries and presenting deceptively small portions of the class as representative of actual stats..

As far as being a good litigator... This is the funniest thing you've said.... I was midling student at my ttt, however, in trial competitions, god help the kids that went against me.. CALI award in anything relating to procedure or litigation... I work at a 75 atty firm as a litigator.. you learn most of what you use as a litigator at a firm, not in school.. And much of it is learning as you go, not being taught..

Quite frankly, you are either an admissions troll from bls or a kid that was fooled by the glossy-pretty admin brochure.. Either way, your advice to the OP is downright destructive and you should discontinue it right away.. Its irresponsible..


OS... My whole thing with op is that if he wanted to be a run of the mill litigator, etc, bls or Hof are both ok.. Not the best, but def ok.. But getting biglaw or midlaw out of either, especially in a tax practice is like trapping a unicorn... Could happen, i guess, but don't count on it..

If he wants what he says he wants... Fordham is really where he should be targeting, not these schools... These schools place people in shitlaw, with the top 30 kids (not 30% top 30 people) going to biglaw etc.. Those are terrible odds..

Either you are a Hofstra admissions troll or a BLS reject with some bitterness. lol.

Seriously, though...where did I say Brooklyn was Columbia? or Fordham? Sure OP should go to the best school available; that's a no-brainer. But I thought we were comparing BLS to Hofstra. And I thought we were talking scholarship at a school whose curve is obviously well below its minimum scholarship gpa. Read the other posts dude. Just about everyone but you seems to agree with me.

Let's get real, all of the schools are fudging numbers, and I am well aware of the stats. Only the top 5-10%, in any year, at either will go BigLaw. But I spoke of courtroom lit as being the draw at BLS. There's plenty of evidence of BLS's practical ed. in lit. If you want to be a prosecutor/defense atty, go to BLS.

But I do realize that nothing is guaranteed, and I have never claimed anything to the contrary.

First, who cares whether everyone else here agrees with you and not Reasonable Man. Reasonable Man is an actual attorney who actual experience in the legal job market. Therefore anything he says is worth about 10 times what you hear from the rest of 0Ls around here. And for the record, I'm an actual attorney with actual experience in the market and I agree with RM.

Second, the OP asked about Hofstra vs. BLS but no responsible person, with knowledge about the legal market, will advise him to choose either school with the scenarios outlined here. BLS and Hofstra are reasonable choices if and only if the 0L has a very large, guaranteed scholarship. The OP has no money at BLS so it's out and his scholarship at Hofstra isn't guaranteed so it's out. Therefore, the reasonable advice is retake the LSAT or don't go to law school.

And LOL on your telling an actual litigator about how BLS prepares you for a litigation practice. Law school prepares you for nothing. It doesn't even prepare you to take the bar. (that in and of itself should make you question law school...it is inexcusable that a law school graduate has to shell out $3K to take barbri) And believe me, you do not want to be a "defense attorney" (who wants to be a "defense attorney"...Law & Order isn't real people!) owing $200K in student loans. You'll have to do income based repayment and will owe the feds for 25 years. After 25 years the balance will be huge because you probably won't make enough to even cover the interest so it will accrue throughout the life of the loan (the feds only subsidize the interest for 3 years). The balance will be written and then you'll owe big $ to the IRS because it's considerable taxable income.

If you go to the prosecutor route, your debt is forgiven after 10 years and isn't taxable (I could be wrong about this one so please verify). However, any public interest jobs are going to be supercompetitive in the next few years. First, there are no jobs. Second, every grad will want a job with good benefits and the added bonus of having your loans forgiven even if the pay is on the low side. Even Kings County prosecutor jobs will get tougher for BLS kids.

[SteelReserve]

BLS but no responsible person, with knowledge about the legal market, will advise him to choose either school with the scenarios outlined here. BLS and Hofstra are reasonable choices if and only if the 0L has a very large, guaranteed scholarship. The OP has no money at BLS so it's out and his scholarship at Hofstra isn't guaranteed so it's out. Therefore, the reasonable advice is retake the LSAT or don't go to law school.

^^^That advice is spot on...but for better or worse it seems the OP has decided to make his move this year, which is why, if he must, he must choose Hofstra. The scholarship is very significant and so long as he keeps it, his debt load will be manageable whatever job he gets in the years subsequent to school.

I realize his scholly is not guaranteed...but frankly I just do not feel that if the OP is willing to put in a decent amount of time studying and learning how to take a law exam, that he will fail to maintain above a 3.2. Please do not take this as a school bashing, but I did a tour of most the NY area law schools in my 0L days, and one observation stuck out in my mind about Hofstra that I did not see anywhere else: The school just had a completely unprofessional vibe about it.

For instance, I looked in on a class. About half the kids were in shorts, flip flops and wearing backwards baseball caps, and some were visibly sleeping. It reminded me of an Intro to Poli Sci lecture at my undergrad. Maybe this is anal, and maybe some people aren't bothered by grown men wearing backwards hats in what is purported to be professional school, but I think if the OP is worth his salt, he will easily keep that scholly all 3 years.

Again, to any hofstra supporters, this was just my own personal observation and opinion so please refrain from any ad hominem attacks; feel free to state your own impressions of Hofstra. I just think the OP will be alright if he works hard and smart and I hope all works out for the best.

[jrock12]

BLS but no responsible person, with knowledge about the legal market, will advise him to choose either school with the scenarios outlined here. BLS and Hofstra are reasonable choices if and only if the 0L has a very large, guaranteed scholarship. The OP has no money at BLS so it's out and his scholarship at Hofstra isn't guaranteed so it's out. Therefore, the reasonable advice is retake the LSAT or don't go to law school.

^^^That advice is spot on...but for better or worse it seems the OP has decided to make his move this year, which is why, if he must, he must choose Hofstra. The scholarship is very significant and so long as he keeps it, his debt load will be manageable whatever job he gets in the years subsequent to school.

I realize his scholly is not guaranteed...but frankly I just do not feel that if the OP is willing to put in a decent amount of time studying and learning how to take a law exam, that he will fail to maintain above a 3.2. Please do not take this as a school bashing, but I did a tour of most the NY area law schools in my 0L days, and one observation stuck out in my mind about Hofstra that I did not see anywhere else: The school just had a completely unprofessional vibe about it.

For instance, I looked in on a class. About half the kids were in shorts, flip flops and wearing backwards baseball caps, and some were visibly sleeping. It reminded me of an Intro to Poli Sci lecture at my undergrad. Maybe this is anal, and maybe some people aren't bothered by grown men wearing backwards hats in what is purported to be professional school, but I think if the OP is worth his salt, he will easily keep that scholly all 3 years.

Again, to any hofstra supporters, this was just my own personal observation and opinion so please refrain from any ad hominem attacks; feel free to state your own impressions of Hofstra. I just think the OP will be alright if he works hard and smart and I hope all works out for the best.

i'm confused, arent you completely contradicting yourself?

[reasonable_man]

No. I think what he is saying is that if he goes in there and puts in the time/effort, op can minimize his chances of losing the scholly.. I did my bar review at hofstra and met some of the most ill-prepared law students i've encountered, so I agree with this advice.. If he works hard, he may well keep that scholly... Fact of the matter is that he is in a bad situation if he isnt the top of either school and will not materially benefit from being at the top of bls as opposed to the top of hofstra.. both are shit choices, but at least one will be very cheap... There is a better than 90% chance he is not getting biglaw and thus will earn 45 to 70k at best upon graduation anyway. That said, he might as well take the option that will cause him to incur the lease debt. Moreover, his professional goals are completely ridiculous for either school. The chances of op getting into a good tax practice from either are ridiculously small, especially in this economy.. So really, if he is going to do this and wind up working in personal injury, he might as well minimize his debt in the process.

[dresden doll]

No. I think what he is saying is that if he goes in there and puts in the time/effort, he can minimize his chances of losing the scholly.. I did my bar review at hofstra and met some of the most ill-prepared law students i've encountered, so I agree with this advice.. If he works hard, he may well keep that scholly... Fact of the matter is that he is in a bad situation if he isnt the top of either school and will not materially benefit from being at the top of bls as opposed to the top of hofstra.. both are shit choices, but at least one will be very cheap... There is a better than 90% chance he is not getting biglaw and thus will earn 45 to 70k at best upon graduation anyway. That said, he might as well take the option that will cause him to incur the lease debt. Moreover, his professional goals are completely ridiculous for either school. The chances of his getting into a good tax practice from either are ridiculously small, especially in this economy.. So really, if he is going to do this and wind up working in personal injury, he might as well minimize his debt in the process.

Or retake the LSAT. But, yeah, I'd definitely pick Hofstra in this situation if I were hellbent on being in LS this fall.

[SteelReserve]

i'm confused, arent you completely contradicting yourself?

No. I think what he is saying is that if he goes in there and puts in the time/effort, op can minimize his chances of losing the scholly.. I did my bar review at hofstra and met some of the most ill-prepared law students i've encountered, so I agree with this advice.. If he works hard, he may well keep that scholly... Fact of the matter is that he is in a bad situation if he isnt the top of either school and will not materially benefit from being at the top of bls as opposed to the top of hofstra.. both are shit choices, but at least one will be very cheap... There is a better than 90% chance he is not getting biglaw and thus will earn 45 to 70k at best upon graduation anyway. That said, he might as well take the option that will cause him to incur the lease debt. Moreover, his professional goals are completely ridiculous for either school. The chances of op getting into a good tax practice from either are ridiculously small, especially in this economy.. So really, if he is going to do this and wind up working in personal injury, he might as well minimize his debt in the process.

^^What reasonableman said. I'm saying that I don't think it will be all that much trouble to keep the scholly if the OP puts his work in, so I would definitely go Hofstra.

[Olto]

I haven't read the (now) 5 pages, but I, too, would advise against going to either school under these circumstances. This is coming from someone who has lived his entire life on LI and knows the reputation of Hofstra Law in and out.
That being said, if you have to choose, I would NOT choose Hofstra at 30k/year with those terms. Negotiate with them and make them drop the 3.25 GPA. Or make it staggered - ie if you get between a 2.5 and 3.25 - you get to keep at least half of it. You're helping them out by attending their school over the much-better Brooklyn. Unless you can get those terms, I would highly advise AGAINST going to Hofstra. I can almost guarantee that you will not be getting above a 3.25. Their curve is very tight and this is not a realistic goal to bank losing the $30k (and therefore spending ~$100k on a barely-regional school over the next two years).

[Z'Barron]

OMG WOW!!!! Zbarron... No offense... But you are absolutely clueless... Wow.

Ok let me explain to you how the real world works... Try to follow, because I am only doing this one time...

Less than 10% of BLS'S class will get biglaw.. That is pathetic. You cannot go to bls and get biglaw if you want... You can go and prey to god you hit the top 10%... Thats very hard to do at any law school.. I say this not having read a book about it, but having graduated law school..

Brooklyn is by far the most notorious mess of a school as far as fudging their numbers.. They have used false career stats for a decade, padding them with temp attorney salaries and presenting deceptively small portions of the class as representative of actual stats..

As far as being a good litigator... This is the funniest thing you've said.... I was midling student at my ttt, however, in trial competitions, god help the kids that went against me.. CALI award in anything relating to procedure or litigation... I work at a 75 atty firm as a litigator.. you learn most of what you use as a litigator at a firm, not in school.. And much of it is learning as you go, not being taught..

Quite frankly, you are either an admissions troll from bls or a kid that was fooled by the glossy-pretty admin brochure.. Either way, your advice to the OP is downright destructive and you should discontinue it right away.. Its irresponsible..


OS... My whole thing with op is that if he wanted to be a run of the mill litigator, etc, bls or Hof are both ok.. Not the best, but def ok.. But getting biglaw or midlaw out of either, especially in a tax practice is like trapping a unicorn... Could happen, i guess, but don't count on it..

If he wants what he says he wants... Fordham is really where he should be targeting, not these schools... These schools place people in shitlaw, with the top 30 kids (not 30% top 30 people) going to biglaw etc.. Those are terrible odds..

Either you are a Hofstra admissions troll or a BLS reject with some bitterness. lol.

Seriously, though...where did I say Brooklyn was Columbia? or Fordham? Sure OP should go to the best school available; that's a no-brainer. But I thought we were comparing BLS to Hofstra. And I thought we were talking scholarship at a school whose curve is obviously well below its minimum scholarship gpa. Read the other posts dude. Just about everyone but you seems to agree with me.

Let's get real, all of the schools are fudging numbers, and I am well aware of the stats. Only the top 5-10%, in any year, at either will go BigLaw. But I spoke of courtroom lit as being the draw at BLS. There's plenty of evidence of BLS's practical ed. in lit. If you want to be a prosecutor/defense atty, go to BLS.

But I do realize that nothing is guaranteed, and I have never claimed anything to the contrary.

First, who cares whether everyone else here agrees with you and not Reasonable Man. Reasonable Man is an actual attorney who actual experience in the legal job market. Therefore anything he says is worth about 10 times what you hear from the rest of 0Ls around here. And for the record, I'm an actual attorney with actual experience in the market and I agree with RM.

Second, the OP asked about Hofstra vs. BLS but no responsible person, with knowledge about the legal market, will advise him to choose either school with the scenarios outlined here. BLS and Hofstra are reasonable choices if and only if the 0L has a very large, guaranteed scholarship. The OP has no money at BLS so it's out and his scholarship at Hofstra isn't guaranteed so it's out. Therefore, the reasonable advice is retake the LSAT or don't go to law school.

And LOL on your telling an actual litigator about how BLS prepares you for a litigation practice. Law school prepares you for nothing. It doesn't even prepare you to take the bar. (that in and of itself should make you question law school...it is inexcusable that a law school graduate has to shell out $3K to take barbri) And believe me, you do not want to be a "defense attorney" (who wants to be a "defense attorney"...Law & Order isn't real people!) owing $200K in student loans. You'll have to do income based repayment and will owe the feds for 25 years. After 25 years the balance will be huge because you probably won't make enough to even cover the interest so it will accrue throughout the life of the loan (the feds only subsidize the interest for 3 years). The balance will be written and then you'll owe big $ to the IRS because it's considerable taxable income.

If you go to the prosecutor route, your debt is forgiven after 10 years and isn't taxable (I could be wrong about this one so please verify). However, any public interest jobs are going to be supercompetitive in the next few years. First, there are no jobs. Second, every grad will want a job with good benefits and the added bonus of having your loans forgiven even if the pay is on the low side. Even Kings County prosecutor jobs will get tougher for BLS kids.

And you let an 0L drag you into a debate...one you aren't even winning? Insulting me personally and using abrasive language is a loser's way to debate. Some lawyer you are...both of you.

I still don't get you guys...why would any decent, respectable attorney have time to be on a site like this one?

Answer...he/she WOULDN'T. I know I won't when I get out of law school. Heck, I'm about to drop this wack-assed site in a few days. You sound like bitter rejects who can't play with the big boys. And trust me, the big boys don't come to TLS. Try to catch Willie E. Gary or Gerry Spence or the countless other no-name rising legal stars on this site. So...what does that make YOU and your buddy?

[Z'Barron]

I haven't read the (now) 5 pages, but I, too, would advise against going to either school under these circumstances. This is coming from someone who has lived his entire life on LI and knows the reputation of Hofstra Law in and out.
That being said, if you have to choose, I would NOT choose Hofstra at 30k/year with those terms. Negotiate with them and make them drop the 3.25 GPA. Or make it staggered - ie if you get between a 2.5 and 3.25 - you get to keep at least half of it. You're helping them out by attending their school over the much-better Brooklyn. Unless you can get those terms, I would highly advise AGAINST going to Hofstra. I can almost guarantee that you will not be getting above a 3.25. Their curve is very tight and this is not a realistic goal to bank losing the $30k (and therefore spending ~$100k on a barely-regional school over the next two years).

That's really all I have been saying. There's a danger in that GPA.

[leyser]

Z'Barron: before you question others - can you tell us what do 54 posts in 4 days on a "wack assed site" make YOU?

[yo111]

I just got into seton hall with 30,000 a year with pretty good terms. Where should I go? Brooklyn?

[reasonable_man]

I just got into seton hall with 30,000 a year with pretty good terms. Where should I go? Brooklyn?

Lay out your options again...

[yo111]

I just got into Seton hall with a 30,000 contingent on maintaining a 3.3 if all falls below 3.3 it is 20,000. And below 3.2 =10,000. I got into BLS for the PT program. I would like to work in NYC.

I just got into seton hall with 30,000 a year with pretty good terms. Where should I go? Brooklyn?

Lay out your options again...

[sentinal5656]

I think Seton Hall is the right choice. Unless you want to tell get more money out of the current school which you are IN at...

[yo111]

What about job prospects in NYC with seton hall being a jersey school. Where do they place?

I think Seton Hall is the right choice. Unless you want to tell get more money out of the current school which you are IN at...

[sentinal5656]

What about job prospects in NYC with seton hall being a jersey school. Where do they place?

I think Seton Hall is the right choice. Unless you want to tell get more money out of the current school which you are IN at...

It's a peer school with Cardozo and BLS for the most part. But at least your getting 30K from a school within that range now.... Thats better than BLS at sticker, IMO.

[yo111]

So the same jobs that are avail to BLS and Cardozo are also available to SH

What about job prospects in NYC with seton hall being a jersey school. Where do they place?

I think Seton Hall is the right choice. Unless you want to tell get more money out of the current school which you are IN at...

It's a peer school with Cardozo and BLS for the most part. But at least your getting 30K from a school within that range now.... Thats better than BLS at sticker, IMO.

[reasonable_man]

Are they exactly the same? No. The job prospects out of all three are terrible. Is one slightly, I mean slightly, less worse than the other? MAYBE. You're talking about schools ranking in the 50 to 100 range. In that area, the differences are de minimus, at best. Does it really matter if SHU places 8% in biglaw and BLS places 9%? Not really. And all of them lie through their teeth about midlaw placement, so that doesn't really provide a strong factor upon which to differentiate any of these choices. The bulk of the class (80% or more of the class from each, which, by my estimation is the majority of the class) will end up working in shitlaw for 40 to 60k, working as a temp attorney (if such jobs even exist anymore), in "business" [Ive heard that even includes working as a fucking barista at starbucks] or completely unemployed.

The fact that one school might place .984% more into biglaw, with the same sub par results being obtained for the masses enrolled at each school is really not significant anywhere but in the minds of the most idealistic of TLS posters. If one school is offering you a substantial scholarship and the other is not, the choice is yours, but I feel that not taking the scholarship will be the worst mistake of your life.

Trying to determine which is the better TTT is like trying to determine whether its better to be punched in the face or kicked in the balls.. While one might be slightly worse, neither is really good.

[sentinal5656]

Are they exactly the same? No. The job prospects out of all three are terrible. Is one slightly, I mean slightly, less worse than the other? MAYBE. You're talking about schools ranking in the 50 to 100 range. In that area, the differences are de minimus, at best. Does it really matter if SHU places 8% in biglaw and BLS places 9%? Not really. And all of them lie through their teeth about midlaw placement, so that doesn't really provide a strong factor upon which to differentiate any of these choices. The bulk of the class (80% or more of the class from each, which, by my estimation is the majority of the class) will end up working in shitlaw for 40 to 60k, working as a temp attorney (if such jobs even exist anymore), in "business" [Ive heard that even includes working as a fucking barista at starbucks] or completely unemployed.

The fact that one school might place .984% more into biglaw, with the same sub par results being obtained for the masses enrolled at each school is really not significant anywhere but in the minds of the most idealistic of TLS posters. If one school is offering you a substantial scholarship and the other is not, the choice is yours, but I feel that not taking the scholarship will be the worst mistake of your life.

Trying to determine which is the better TTT is like trying to determine whether its better to be punched in the fact or kicked in the balls.. While one might be slightly worse, neither is really good.

I agree with everything except the bolded statement. IMO, I would rather be punched in the face anyday.

[APHill]

Having a CPA will help, but the big-4 firms have their pick of CPAs with T14 degrees. Why would they hire a BLS JD?

I am not sure that big 4 firms have their pick of JD T14 grads. Big 4 pays around 70K for entry level, whether you have BS from South Carolina State or JD from Harvard. The only way JD from Harvard will work for Big4 is if he is #1 bottom of his class, cant find another job and Big 4 is the only way to pay anything on his 200k in loans.