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Penn admits' UG institution?

Post by CrossingMyFingers » Sat May 02, 2009 4:25 pm

To all those accepted at Penn, can anybody confirm or deny the prestigious UG requirement for admission?

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Post by RVP11 » Sat May 02, 2009 4:35 pm

CrossingMyFingers wrote:To all those accepted at Penn, can anybody confirm or deny the prestigious UG requirement for admission?
Look on LSN. Plenty of people with non-prestigious UGs are getting in, I'm sure.

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Post by riccardo426 » Sat May 02, 2009 4:54 pm

A friend of mine works at Penn. Last year she was given the task to compile the student profile. 10% of the class went to Penn UG and another 10% was the other 7 ivys. Adding in Stanford MIT Caltech Chicago NWestern JHU and the other "prestigious" schools probably gives you another 10%.

Of course that is the class profile not the admisssions profile, but it should give you an idea that it's not a big deal.

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Post by caoyun » Sat May 02, 2009 8:12 pm

CrossingMyFingers wrote:To all those accepted at Penn, can anybody confirm or deny the prestigious UG requirement for admission?
I currently attend a TTT undergrad (Seton Hall) and will most likely be attending Penn Law with a smallish scholarsihp. It's not a requirement. That would be ridiculous. But is it unusual for a top school to want students from top schools?

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Post by sbalive » Sat May 02, 2009 8:16 pm

There's a correlation between undergrad prestige/rank and LSAT scores of applicants. So, it's impossible to conclude a bias or preference based on the proportion of students with that background at a top law school.

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Post by caoyun » Sat May 02, 2009 8:22 pm

sbalive wrote:There's a correlation between undergrad prestige/rank and LSAT scores of applicants. So, it's impossible to conclude a bias or preference based on the proportion of students with that background at a top law school.
Agreed. I have on problem admitting that most of the people I know who attended Ivies and other top schools are a heck of a lot smarter than most of the people I know here at Seton Hall. There are exceptions, of course. But if there is any kind of bias, its a bias towards better applicants. Which is hardly surprising.

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Post by darkarmour » Sat May 02, 2009 9:15 pm

wait, which upenn state campus are you talking about? The one in philly or the one in State College?

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Post by darkarmour » Sat May 02, 2009 9:20 pm

hmm, i see. upenn state - philly. That's the one with dickinson school of law, right? they're ranked pretty high this year

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Post by green » Sat May 02, 2009 9:25 pm

darkarmour wrote:hmm, i see. upenn state - philly. That's the one with dickinson school of law, right? they're ranked pretty high this year
wtf?

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Post by darkarmour » Sat May 02, 2009 9:52 pm

green wrote:
darkarmour wrote:hmm, i see. upenn state - philly. That's the one with dickinson school of law, right? they're ranked pretty high this year
wtf?
yeah, penn state philly, dickinson school of law - they're ranked 8th this year, right?

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Post by superflush » Sun May 03, 2009 12:30 am

darkarmour wrote:
green wrote:
darkarmour wrote:hmm, i see. upenn state - philly. That's the one with dickinson school of law, right? they're ranked pretty high this year
wtf?
yeah, penn state philly, dickinson school of law - they're ranked 8th this year, right?
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Post by HotelLautreamont » Sun May 03, 2009 1:24 am

Based on the LSAC "Prelaw Advisor Action Report" for my school, I'd say Penn gives less of a benefit to students from elite UGs than any of its peers. In 06-07 (the most recent year for which I have numbers) here are the applicant stats from Stanford UG for Penn and some of its peer schools:

Numbers are the mean LSAT/GPA of the group.

UVA: 66 applicants, 165.7/3.59. 27 accepted, 170.6/3.69 (41% acceptance rate)
Michigan: 82 applicants, 165.8/3.60. 26 accepted, 170.5/3.69 (32% acceptance rate)
Chicago: 88 applicants, 165.8/3.64. 23 accepted, 169.3/3.70 (26% acceptance rate)
Boalt: 156 applicants, 164.6/3.59. 51 accepted, 168.3/3.75 (33% acceptance rate)
Penn: 85 applicants, 165.4/3.61. 16 accepted, 168.8/3.86 (19% acceptance rate)

Percentage-wise, for Stanford undergrads, Penn was also tougher to get into than NYU, Columbia, Stanford, and Harvard, and had the same acceptance rate as Yale. The numbers from 05-06, even though it was an easier year overall, show a similar general pattern. I can say that this mirrored my own experience this cycle, as I was waitlisted at Penn, despite showing a lot of interest, having a decent profile, and getting into NYU and Columbia. As to why they do this, I can't say. I'm sure their admissions office has a lot of information built up - maybe they've found it best not to admit high percentages of elite UG students with numbers within their ranges because these students end up getting into better schools - in 05-06, only 2 out of 24 admits attended Penn, and in 06-06, it was 3 out of 16. Not that it's neccessarily a YP tactic - I just don't know.

But to answer your original question, no, I don't think there's any sort of unofficial "elite UG requirement" at Penn. If anything, you've got a better shot there (comparatively) than at a lot of other schools.

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Post by sbalive » Sun May 03, 2009 3:03 pm

HotelLautreamont wrote:Based on the LSAC "Prelaw Advisor Action Report" for my school, I'd say Penn gives less of a benefit to students from elite UGs than any of its peers. In 06-07 (the most recent year for which I have numbers) here are the applicant stats from Stanford UG for Penn and some of its peer schools:

Numbers are the mean LSAT/GPA of the group.

UVA: 66 applicants, 165.7/3.59. 27 accepted, 170.6/3.69 (41% acceptance rate)
Michigan: 82 applicants, 165.8/3.60. 26 accepted, 170.5/3.69 (32% acceptance rate)
Chicago: 88 applicants, 165.8/3.64. 23 accepted, 169.3/3.70 (26% acceptance rate)
Boalt: 156 applicants, 164.6/3.59. 51 accepted, 168.3/3.75 (33% acceptance rate)
Penn: 85 applicants, 165.4/3.61. 16 accepted, 168.8/3.86 (19% acceptance rate)

Percentage-wise, for Stanford undergrads, Penn was also tougher to get into than NYU, Columbia, Stanford, and Harvard, and had the same acceptance rate as Yale. The numbers from 05-06, even though it was an easier year overall, show a similar general pattern. I can say that this mirrored my own experience this cycle, as I was waitlisted at Penn, despite showing a lot of interest, having a decent profile, and getting into NYU and Columbia. As to why they do this, I can't say. I'm sure their admissions office has a lot of information built up - maybe they've found it best not to admit high percentages of elite UG students with numbers within their ranges because these students end up getting into better schools - in 05-06, only 2 out of 24 admits attended Penn, and in 06-06, it was 3 out of 16. Not that it's neccessarily a YP tactic - I just don't know.

But to answer your original question, no, I don't think there's any sort of unofficial "elite UG requirement" at Penn. If anything, you've got a better shot there (comparatively) than at a lot of other schools.
Perhaps Penn merely realizes that Stanford undergrad is where rich kids who couldn't get into Berkeley go & disrespects it accordingly?

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Re: Penn admits' UG institution?

Post by underachiever » Sun May 03, 2009 3:08 pm

Nope, I went to a TTT undergrad and I'm in
....my school is actually very close to caoyun's

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Post by caoyun » Sun May 03, 2009 4:02 pm

underachiever wrote:Nope, I went to a TTT undergrad and I'm in
....my school is actually very close to caoyun's
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Post by chimeray » Sun May 03, 2009 5:46 pm

sbalive wrote:There's a correlation between undergrad prestige/rank and LSAT scores of applicants. So, it's impossible to conclude a bias or preference based on the proportion of students with that background at a top law school.
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Post by Vanessa583 » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:41 pm

Just to clarify for those who are confused. The University of Pennsylvania is NOT Penn State. It's an Ivy League University in Philadelphia & is ranked as a Top 10 Law School. It is generally called Penn, not to be confused with Penn State.

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Post by Sal Paradise » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:46 pm

Vanessa583 wrote:Just to clarify for those who are confused. The University of Pennsylvania is NOT Penn State. It's an Ivy League University in Philadelphia & is ranked as a Top 10 Law School. It is generally called Penn, not to be confused with Penn State.
Thanks for bumping a 9 month old thread with that nugget of information. I'm sure most people on this site needed clarification, because there's no way that darkarmour's responses could've been sarcastic! :roll:

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Post by jackgrf » Thu Jan 07, 2010 4:59 am

Sal Paradise wrote:
Vanessa583 wrote:Just to clarify for those who are confused. The University of Pennsylvania is NOT Penn State. It's an Ivy League University in Philadelphia & is ranked as a Top 10 Law School. It is generally called Penn, not to be confused with Penn State.
Thanks for bumping a 9 month old thread with that nugget of information. I'm sure most people on this site needed clarification, because there's no way that darkarmour's responses could've been sarcastic! :roll:
hahaha people who go to penn are so insecure

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Post by ravens20 » Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:12 pm

Vanessa583 wrote:Just to clarify for those who are confused. The University of Pennsylvania is NOT Penn State. It's an Ivy League University in Philadelphia & is ranked as a Top 10 Law School. It is generally called Penn, not to be confused with Penn State.
Hahaha how's Joe P doing?

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Post by kittenmittons » Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:13 pm

darkarmour wrote:wait, which upenn state campus are you talking about? The one in philly or the one in State College?
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