3.45 GPA, What Schools Can this get?

[rice4change]

Just getting started with the whole pre-application process of studying for the LSAT, looking at schools, and so forth. My undergrad GPA was 3.45 at a top-tier undergrad school; I could have probably earned a better GPA with a different major but I chose one that I found more challenging and rewarding.

I haven't taken an LSAT yet, but usually I do well on standardized tests. Assuming I get a top LSAT score, in the range of 170 or above, what are the best schools I could be competitive at admissions wise? I figure that the top 10 schools are out of my reach, but with a top LSAT and a 3.45, what can I get?

[JustDude]

Just getting started with the whole pre-application process of studying for the LSAT, looking at schools, and so forth. My undergrad GPA was 3.45 at a top-tier undergrad school; I could have probably earned a better GPA with a different major but I chose one that I found more challenging and rewarding.

I haven't taken an LSAT yet, but usually I do well on standardized tests. Assuming I get a top LSAT score, in the range of 170 or above, what are the best schools I could be competitive at admissions wise? I figure that the top 10 schools are out of my reach, but with a top LSAT and a 3.45, what can I get?

We heard this story oh so many times. Get lost!!

[waldodanto]

Here is a summary of all the responses you will get to this question:
1. 3.45 only disqualifies you from maybe half of the top 14 (and probably Berkeley), and even then, you have a shot with a 174+ LSAT depending on softs. Most of the 15-30 range is in play with a good LSAT.
2. Have you taken a prep test, or practice test... LSAT is hard, don't assume you'll get a 170. at least fifteen people will yell at you for assuming you will get a high LSAT score.
3. An accurate estimate of your chances at schools can't be made until you have an LSAT score in the bag

[Action Jackson]

Just getting started with the whole pre-application process of studying for the LSAT, looking at schools, and so forth. My undergrad GPA was 3.45 at a top-tier undergrad school; I could have probably earned a better GPA with a different major but I chose one that I found more challenging and rewarding.

I haven't taken an LSAT yet, but usually I do well on standardized tests. Assuming I get a top LSAT score, in the range of 170 or above, what are the best schools I could be competitive at admissions wise? I figure that the top 10 schools are out of my reach, but with a top LSAT and a 3.45, what can I get?

To elaborate on JustDude's dickheaded comment, the problem is that many, if not most, people think they're going to get in the range of 170 or above, but don't. Until you actually have some LSAT test results under your belt you can't make any kind of guess as to where your score will end up. Some would argue that even with practice tests you can't say what the final score will be.

Take the LSAT, then ask.

[JustDude]

Here is a summary of all the responses you will get to this question:
1. 3.45 only disqualifies you from maybe half of the top 14 (and probably Berkeley), and even then, you have a shot with a 174+ LSAT depending on softs. Most of the 15-30 range is in play with a good LSAT.
2. Have you taken a prep test, or practice test... LSAT is hard, don't assume you'll get a 170. at least fifteen people will yell at you for assuming you will get a high LSAT score.
3. An accurate estimate of your chances at schools can't be made until you have an LSAT score in the bag

The bolded suggetss that Berkeley is not a part of T14. Hmmmmm. Are you qualified to give advice??..

Well OP doesnt deserve any better

[Other25BeforeYou]

All standardized tests are not created equal. There are people who scored 1500+ on the SAT and can't get above a 160 on the LSAT after months of studying. It doesn't mean this will be the case for you, but don't assume anything at this point.

To break into the T14 you'll probably need a 169+.

[The_Wall]

It suggests Berkeley is not in the top half of the top fourteen, which, for the time being, is also false.

To the original poster, ignore the mean-spiritedness, but take Action Jackson's reply to heart. Until you have a score, it's difficult to predict, and, given that a 170 is the ~98th percentile, best not to get too attached to schools for which you'll likely need one.

If you do want to play around with hypotheticals (and I understand-I have), the best places to do it are lawschoolnumbers.com and hourumd.com, the one offering profiles of past applicants and the other statistical predictions based on them.

[waldodanto]

It was a typo, the sentence originally said the top 6 and probably berkeley. And actually, the way it is written, my sentence merely implies that Berkeley is one of the 7 or so schools in the top 14 which the OP is disqualified from because of his/her GPA (true, yes?). My sentence did not say the top half of the top 14, just that half of the schools might not be achievable. Continue to be a dick though, Just Dude, I wouldn't want to ruin the ego trip.

I was merely trying to give some useful advice, a skill it looks like you could work on honing.

[JustDude]

It suggests Berkeley is not in the top half of the top fourteen, which, for the time being, is also false.

To the original poster, ignore the mean-spiritedness, but take Action Jackson's reply to heart. Until you have a score, it's difficult to predict, and, given that a 170 is the ~98th percentile, best not to get too attached to schools for which you'll likely need one.

If you do want to play around with hypotheticals (and I understand-I have), the best places to do it are lawschoolnumbers.com and hourumd.com, the one offering profiles of past applicants and the other statistical predictions based on them.

You are assumimg that T7 will reject 3.45 and T7-14 will admit. Thats retarded. Among T7there are LSAT whores (Columbia, NYU and UChi for example ) that could potentially take him. Among T7-T14 there are Duke, Berkeley and others that will not take that even if you are URM.

[waldodanto]

My sentence did not say the top half of the top 14, just that half of the schools might not be achievable.

I think we are agreeing here JustDude. Although I can't discern who you are talking to at this point, I don't think anybody in this thread is claiming a 3.45 has no shot at 1-7, but has a shot at 8-14.

Hourumd.com (for what it's worth) gives the following chances to 3.45/170:
Y : 0%
S : 0%
H : 3% (rounded from here on)
C : 6%
Chicago : 30%
B : 6%
Penn : 49%
NYU : 10%
Mich : 48%
UVA : 55%
Duke : 54%
GT: 68%
NW : 77%
Cornell : 77%

Basically, 50/50 or better at half of the schools. Obviously these numbers get better with a higher LSAT, and notably so at the LSAT whore schools.
So a 3.45 is hardly dead, but you'll need that killer LSAT score to stand a chance at the top schools.

[Ancitter]

Just getting started with the whole pre-application process of studying for the LSAT, looking at schools, and so forth. My undergrad GPA was 3.45 at a top-tier undergrad school; I could have probably earned a better GPA with a different major but I chose one that I found more challenging and rewarding.

I haven't taken an LSAT yet, but usually I do well on standardized tests. Assuming I get a top LSAT score, in the range of 170 or above, what are the best schools I could be competitive at admissions wise? I figure that the top 10 schools are out of my reach, but with a top LSAT and a 3.45, what can I get?

We heard this story oh so many times. Get lost!!

It suggests Berkeley is not in the top half of the top fourteen, which, for the time being, is also false.

To the original poster, ignore the mean-spiritedness, but take Action Jackson's reply to heart. Until you have a score, it's difficult to predict, and, given that a 170 is the ~98th percentile, best not to get too attached to schools for which you'll likely need one.

If you do want to play around with hypotheticals (and I understand-I have), the best places to do it are lawschoolnumbers.com and hourumd.com, the one offering profiles of past applicants and the other statistical predictions based on them.

You are assumimg that T7 will reject 3.45 and T7-14 will admit. Thats retarded. Among T7there are LSAT whores (Columbia, NYU and UChi for example ) that could potentially take him. Among T7-T14 there are Duke, Berkeley and others that will not take that even if you are URM.

Your rudeness makes my tummy hurt.

[Bosque]

Also:

WE HAVE A BOARD FOR THIS.

Really? Where do you ask? Why, a few boards down in the What are my chances board. There, you may ask what schools you may get into with ___ LSAT score to your heart's content. Please post this stuff there, not here.

Sorry if I seem mean or sarcastic, I am not trying to be. I have just seen too many of these in this board lately, and itwould be nice if they were moved.

[JustDude]

Just getting started with the whole pre-application process of studying for the LSAT, looking at schools, and so forth. My undergrad GPA was 3.45 at a top-tier undergrad school; I could have probably earned a better GPA with a different major but I chose one that I found more challenging and rewarding.

I haven't taken an LSAT yet, but usually I do well on standardized tests. Assuming I get a top LSAT score, in the range of 170 or above, what are the best schools I could be competitive at admissions wise? I figure that the top 10 schools are out of my reach, but with a top LSAT and a 3.45, what can I get?

We heard this story oh so many times. Get lost!!

It suggests Berkeley is not in the top half of the top fourteen, which, for the time being, is also false.

To the original poster, ignore the mean-spiritedness, but take Action Jackson's reply to heart. Until you have a score, it's difficult to predict, and, given that a 170 is the ~98th percentile, best not to get too attached to schools for which you'll likely need one.

If you do want to play around with hypotheticals (and I understand-I have), the best places to do it are lawschoolnumbers.com and hourumd.com, the one offering profiles of past applicants and the other statistical predictions based on them.

You are assumimg that T7 will reject 3.45 and T7-14 will admit. Thats retarded. Among T7there are LSAT whores (Columbia, NYU and UChi for example ) that could potentially take him. Among T7-T14 there are Duke, Berkeley and others that will not take that even if you are URM.

Your rudeness makes my tummy hurt.

I am leaving forever then

[summertimechi]

Please go here.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 08#p949308

[Ancitter]

Just getting started with the whole pre-application process of studying for the LSAT, looking at schools, and so forth. My undergrad GPA was 3.45 at a top-tier undergrad school; I could have probably earned a better GPA with a different major but I chose one that I found more challenging and rewarding.

I haven't taken an LSAT yet, but usually I do well on standardized tests. Assuming I get a top LSAT score, in the range of 170 or above, what are the best schools I could be competitive at admissions wise? I figure that the top 10 schools are out of my reach, but with a top LSAT and a 3.45, what can I get?

We heard this story oh so many times. Get lost!!

It suggests Berkeley is not in the top half of the top fourteen, which, for the time being, is also false.

To the original poster, ignore the mean-spiritedness, but take Action Jackson's reply to heart. Until you have a score, it's difficult to predict, and, given that a 170 is the ~98th percentile, best not to get too attached to schools for which you'll likely need one.

If you do want to play around with hypotheticals (and I understand-I have), the best places to do it are lawschoolnumbers.com and hourumd.com, the one offering profiles of past applicants and the other statistical predictions based on them.

You are assumimg that T7 will reject 3.45 and T7-14 will admit. Thats retarded. Among T7there are LSAT whores (Columbia, NYU and UChi for example ) that could potentially take him. Among T7-T14 there are Duke, Berkeley and others that will not take that even if you are URM.

Your rudeness makes my tummy hurt.

I am leaving forever then

No, please stay. You're very intelligent, just not very nice.

[zero1]

It suggests Berkeley is not in the top half of the top fourteen, which, for the time being, is also false.

To the original poster, ignore the mean-spiritedness, but take Action Jackson's reply to heart. Until you have a score, it's difficult to predict, and, given that a 170 is the ~98th percentile, best not to get too attached to schools for which you'll likely need one.

If you do want to play around with hypotheticals (and I understand-I have), the best places to do it are lawschoolnumbers.com and hourumd.com, the one offering profiles of past applicants and the other statistical predictions based on them.

You are assumimg that T7 will reject 3.45 and T7-14 will admit. Thats retarded. Among T7there are LSAT whores (Columbia, NYU and UChi for example ) that could potentially take him. Among T7-T14 there are Duke, Berkeley and others that will not take that even if you are URM.

You are absolutely wrong about Duke. Duke could definitely take a 3.45/170 from a URM.