Graph of top 50(ish) schools by median GPA and LSAT

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Graph of top 50(ish) schools by median GPA and LSAT

Post by ran » Mon May 12, 2008 2:02 am

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No idea if other people have done similar graphs before.

I realize the quality isn't great, so if you know of a better image hosting service that doesn't shrink large images, feel free to recommend it.

Also, all corrections are welcome. e.g.
1) Class sizes (some of these are bound to be mistyped)
2) Colors (all grabbed from Wikipedia)
3) LSAT / GPA (I double checked but you never know)

The data is grabbed from LSN. I have no idea which year the data dates from.
edit: the data is from the ABA-LSAC official guide to law schools, 2008 edition
Last edited by ran on Mon May 12, 2008 5:26 pm, edited 6 times in total.

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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by medium GPA and LSAT

Post by Curious George » Mon May 12, 2008 2:50 am

Looks pretty good. Thanks.

By the way, I don't think the image host is shrinking it; I believe the forum is shrinking it. If you right click and "View Image" you see it in a larger size, unless that, too, is smaller than the original.

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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by medium GPA and LSAT

Post by kritiosboy » Mon May 12, 2008 4:20 am

awesome work.

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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by medium GPA and LSAT

Post by oakroom » Mon May 12, 2008 8:15 am

Nitpick: "medium" ≠ "median"

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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by medium GPA and LSAT

Post by gengar » Mon May 12, 2008 8:30 am

Very nice - the color-coding adds a nice touch, too.

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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by medium GPA and LSAT

Post by Ben Matlock » Mon May 12, 2008 12:06 pm

You know what would be cool? Circles extending to the 25th and 75th percentiles.

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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by medium GPA and LSAT

Post by countbizaller » Mon May 12, 2008 12:14 pm

Those numbers are from LSN. There are no percentiles. And I'm assuming these are the people attending the schools right?

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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by medium GPA and LSAT

Post by Robert398 » Mon May 12, 2008 12:18 pm

How do you know the Harvard/Yale entering class median GPA??

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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by medium GPA and LSAT

Post by Rosstafarian » Mon May 12, 2008 12:19 pm

Great idea, and nice graph!

Just one suggestion: use the medians from the ABA Guide rather than LSN. I don't think we can rely on LSN posters to be a representative sample.

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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by medium GPA and LSAT

Post by wardboro » Mon May 12, 2008 12:19 pm

I think that by LSN he means the ABA reported numbers from a year ago rather than the self-submitted data. Ideally we should use the most recent ABA reported numbers (those can be pulled off the TLS rankings page.)

EDIT: Clarification, I think he used the Law School Guide numbers of LSN rather than the LSN data itself.

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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by medium GPA and LSAT

Post by ran » Mon May 12, 2008 12:45 pm

oakroom wrote:Nitpick: "medium" ≠ "median"


Dammit... engineering major too, now this is embarrassing.

Nice catch.

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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by median GPA and LSAT

Post by Ben Matlock » Mon May 12, 2008 12:47 pm

ran wrote:engineering major too


I knew it! :)

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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by medium GPA and LSAT

Post by ran » Mon May 12, 2008 12:48 pm

wardboro wrote:I think that by LSN he means the ABA reported numbers from a year ago rather than the self-submitted data. Ideally we should use the most recent ABA reported numbers (those can be pulled off the TLS rankings page.)

EDIT: Clarification, I think he used the Law School Guide numbers of LSN rather than the LSN data itself.


Yes, that is exactly what I did.

The TLS rankings page only gives the 25th and 75th percentiles though.

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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by medium GPA and LSAT

Post by Curious George » Mon May 12, 2008 3:21 pm

ran wrote:
oakroom wrote:Nitpick: "medium" ≠ "median"


Dammit... engineering major too, now this is embarrassing.

Nice catch.


If we're going to nitpick, isn't Boalt now officially known as Berkeley?

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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by median GPA and LSAT

Post by MTal » Mon May 12, 2008 3:35 pm

Due to these numbers coming from LSN, they are skewed toward the higher end of applicants. Perhaps you substitute in the LSAC data which is published for free on it's site.

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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by median GPA and LSAT

Post by wardboro » Mon May 12, 2008 3:36 pm

This IS LSAC data. It's a year old. But it's LSAC data pulled off the Law School Guide on LSN.

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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by median GPA and LSAT

Post by Rosstafarian » Mon May 12, 2008 3:37 pm

MTal wrote:Due to these numbers coming from LSN, they are skewed toward the higher end of applicants. Perhaps you substitute in the LSAC data which is published for free on it's site.


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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by median GPA and LSAT

Post by xdistak » Mon May 12, 2008 4:13 pm

This is awesome, ty

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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by median GPA and LSAT

Post by Rosstafarian » Mon May 12, 2008 4:19 pm

Another suggested tweak -- if you're looking for them -- is to just eliminate the parts of the graph that have no data points (i.e. above 174 LSAT and 3.95 GPA). That way you wouldn't have certain points hanging off the edge.

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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by median GPA and LSAT

Post by ran » Mon May 12, 2008 4:54 pm

Rosstafarian wrote:Another suggested tweak -- if you're looking for them -- is to just eliminate the parts of the graph that have no data points (i.e. above 174 LSAT and 3.95 GPA). That way you wouldn't have certain points hanging off the edge.


Thanks -- will do =)

edit: Done.

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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by median GPA and LSAT

Post by Rosstafarian » Mon May 12, 2008 8:50 pm

Nicely done! This is one of the most helpful graphic representations of law schools' statistics that I've seen.

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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by medium GPA and LSAT

Post by Robert398 » Mon May 12, 2008 9:38 pm

Robert398 wrote:How do you know the Harvard/Yale entering class median GPA??



Bump: I thought H and Y did not disclose the median GPA of their entering class

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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by median GPA and LSAT

Post by ran » Mon May 12, 2008 11:23 pm

I got the numbers from the ABA-LSAC guide. As for where the guide got it from, I have no idea.

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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by medium GPA and LSAT

Post by Ben Matlock » Mon May 12, 2008 11:38 pm

Robert398 wrote:
Robert398 wrote:How do you know the Harvard/Yale entering class median GPA??



Bump: I thought H and Y did not disclose the median GPA of their entering class

I'm pretty sure in those cases, the ABA just averages the 75th and 25th percentiles.

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Re: Graph of top 50(ish) schools by medium GPA and LSAT

Post by ran » Mon May 12, 2008 11:50 pm

Ben Matlock wrote:
Robert398 wrote:
Robert398 wrote:How do you know the Harvard/Yale entering class median GPA??



Bump: I thought H and Y did not disclose the median GPA of their entering class

I'm pretty sure in those cases, the ABA just averages the 75th and 25th percentiles.


Harvard has 3.72 - 3.86 - 3.95. That can't be an average.

Also, I've tried out the idea of putting the 25th / 75th percentiles onto the graph, but it starts getting really cluttered in the T10-20 range. I'll try making that graph for a smaller set of schools.

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