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How much of a national reach does UT have?

Post by thelogan » Wed Aug 10, 2022 4:56 pm

How much of a national reach does UT have? Like obviously it’s not a t14, and more so a super regional, but how much of a national reach would that entail it has?

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Re: How much of a national reach does UT have?

Post by talons2250 » Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:07 pm

People who graduate in the top 5% at UT have access to prestigious national-level opportunities (see, e.g., Lisa Blatt) but it would be unwise to go to any school expecting to be at the top of the class.

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Re: How much of a national reach does UT have?

Post by crazywafflez » Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:02 am

I think it matters what you mean by national- I think it has a good shot at any AM law firm in NYC - but to get into a really good prestigious firm in NYC you'll need top grades. It probs can also go into AM law firms in other cities but takes a back seat to their market T20. I think the median outcome is working at a decent gig in TX.

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Re: How much of a national reach does UT have?

Post by The Lsat Airbender » Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:52 pm

crazywafflez wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:02 am
I think it matters what you mean by national-
This. UT arguably has a national reputation but, empirically, that doesn't translate to putting people in jobs in lots of places. Pipeline to Texas firms is a bit of a self-perpetuating thing. UCLA is similar.

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Re: How much of a national reach does UT have?

Post by nealric » Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:05 pm

All schools have some level of regional bias. You are going to find more Stanford grads in California than you will Yale grads. That doesn't mean a Stanford grad couldn't move to the East Coast or that a Yale grad couldn't move to California, but there's going to less of a well-trod pipeline and a smaller alumni network.

Texas, of course, isn't exempt from regional bias. It doesn't have top-tier the national reputation of Yale, but it is generally recognized nationally as a "good" school. The main obstacle to leaving Texas is that you are going to get fewer non-Texas offices affirmatively recruiting at Texas, and your application may be crowded out by applicants at schools where those firms do actively recruit (especially if you are further down in the class). So, for example, a New York firm that recruits heavily at Cornell is probably not going to pick a random mass mail candidate from Texas to interview over a Cornell grad that shows up at OCI with similar grades. But by the same token, a Texas firm would probably do the same thing to a Cornell grad (though a Cornell grad with close Texas ties may have some luck with a pre-OCI mailing if they are already spending 1L summer in Texas due to being from there).

Long story short: don't go to Texas unless you would be comfortable ending up in Texas post-graduation. If you are a die hard New Yorker unwilling to work anywhere else, you wouldn't be totally crazy to pick Fordham over Texas. On the other hand, it does have strong employment prospects, and someone who is geographically flexible could be well-advised to pick it over other T20ish schools.

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Re: How much of a national reach does UT have?

Post by trmckenz » Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:07 am

From UT you can get into any large law firm once you get over the top 25% GPA mark (the highest class rank cutoff that UT publishes), including Cravath, STB, WSGR, etc. Some boutiques or judges might be a little more grade sensitive, but very, very few lawyers think "oh, only UT."

Agreed on regional strength being more about self selection of the student body than a limitation of the school's placement power.

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Re: How much of a national reach does UT have?

Post by Moneytrees » Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:06 pm

I don't think it has much national reach at all, in the sense that firms wouldn't pass up on a candidate from a good regional school for someone from UT, just based on UT's name brand.

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Re: How much of a national reach does UT have?

Post by HenryHankPalmer » Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:27 pm

Recent UT grad.

Texas has decent national reach into most major markets, with NY probably being the easiest to get. That said, I wouldn’t go to UT banking solely on getting a job in NY/LA/D.C.

It’s certainly doable, but the simple fact is that non-TX firms recruit UT less than places like UVA, Michigan, or even Vanderbilt.

Also worth noting that some ultra-selective firms like Keker and Wachtell don’t recruit from UT at all. But, of course, others like Susman, Bartlit Beck, and Williams & Connolly, hire from UT regularly.

TL;DR- UT has good not great national reach, and you’d probably be better off elsewhere if you know for a fact you don’t want to work in Houston or Dallas.

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Re: How much of a national reach does UT have?

Post by nealric » Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:23 am

Moneytrees wrote:
Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:06 pm
I don't think it has much national reach at all, in the sense that firms wouldn't pass up on a candidate from a good regional school for someone from UT, just based on UT's name brand.
Depends where you are talking and what you mean by a "good regional school." You will probably have a better time getting NYC Biglaw from UT than you would from Brooklyn Law School or Rutgers (or similar). But I might pick Fordham over UT if my only desire was to work in NYC Biglaw.

Again, all schools have some regional bias. I'd also pick Stanford over Yale if my goal was to work in California (or Berkeley over Penn). I'd even say UCLA might be a better bet than some of the lower East coast T14 schools.

Long story short, UT is a great school with good placement, but its recruiting pipelines are focused on Texas. So it's probably not for you if you have no interest in working in Texas (at least for some period of time).

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