CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE) Forum

cavalier1138 · Post by **cavalier1138** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:44 am

gwillygecko wrote:columbia, like most of the "black box admission" types, seems to care about ug prestige more than the avg school does. i dont know if this applies to you positively or negatively though.

Since when is Columbia a "black box"?

chewinggum · Post by **chewinggum** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:55 am

gargleblaster wrote: skeptical on this one they didnt let my 173 ass in this year which is usually a freakin lock for them

Is this in general or as long as you aren't a splitter?

gwillygecko wrote: columbia, like most of the "black box admission" types, seems to care about ug prestige more than the avg school does. i dont know if this applies to you positively or negatively though.

Is this true? Like cater to ivy schools more than numbers?

cavalier1138 · Post by **cavalier1138** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:38 am

chewinggum wrote:Is this true? Like cater to ivy schools more than numbers?

No. That poster is making shit up.

There's some evidence that your school pedigree may make a difference on the edges, but most of the "preferential treatment" for ivy grads comes from their higher LSAT/GPA. Better test-takers get in to better schools where they take tests better than other test-takers at other schools, etc. etc.

etramak · Post by **etramak** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:47 pm

cavalier1138 wrote:
chewinggum wrote:Is this true? Like cater to ivy schools more than numbers?
No. That poster is making shit up.

There's some evidence that your school pedigree may make a difference on the edges, but most of the "preferential treatment" for ivy grads comes from their higher LSAT/GPA. Better test-takers get in to better schools where they take tests better than other test-takers at other schools, etc. etc.

I've spent a lot of time looking at mylsn data for Stanford and it definitely seems like out of all the non-URM applicants that have borderline median numbers (say, 3.9 and a 170/171), it is always the Ivy or top LAC applicant that manages to get the acceptance. Of course, they may just have a better PS or more impressive ECs.

Chaimthegreat · Post by **Chaimthegreat** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:54 pm

etramak wrote:
cavalier1138 wrote:
chewinggum wrote:Is this true? Like cater to ivy schools more than numbers?
No. That poster is making shit up.

There's some evidence that your school pedigree may make a difference on the edges, but most of the "preferential treatment" for ivy grads comes from their higher LSAT/GPA. Better test-takers get in to better schools where they take tests better than other test-takers at other schools, etc. etc.
I've spent a lot of time looking at mylsn data for Stanford and it definitely seems like out of all the non-URM applicants that have borderline median numbers (say, 3.9 and a 170/171), it is always the Ivy or top LAC applicant that manages to get the acceptance. Of course, they may just have a better PS or more impressive ECs.

I think this is a causation v. correlation point. Coming from an Ivey undergrad only gives you a boost on the very margins. It will not have a substantial impact on your admission chances. You GPA and LSAT will. It may be true that more Ivey students get higher LSAT scores- thus establishing a correlation with high admission rates. However, their Ivey status itself is not the cause of admission.

Huskies13! · Post by **Huskies13!** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:07 am

Alabama up--think they are way up but out of town so someone else needs to analyze:
https://www.law.ua.edu/admissions/quick-facts/

abujabal · Post by **abujabal** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:11 pm

Huskies13! wrote:Alabama up--think they are way up but out of town so someone else needs to analyze:
https://www.law.ua.edu/admissions/quick-facts/

See below

calmike · Post by **calmike** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:21 pm

Georgetown's 25th percentile LSAT is down.
Good news for me.

theconsigliere · Post by **theconsigliere** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:27 pm

abujabal wrote:
Size:
1577 applicants (-7)
125 enrollees (-28)

LSAT*:
25: 157 (+1)
Median: 164 (+1)
75: 166 (-2)

GPA:
25: 3.42 (+.13)
Median: 3.84 (+.12)
75: 3.94 (-.01)

*Doesn't include 4 students with no LSAT score

the spreadsheet for last year says 157/163/165 and 3.45/3.82/3.92 for Alabama last year, with 133 students.

125 enrollees (-8)

LSAT
25: 157 (0)
median: 164 (+1)
75: 166 (+1)

GPA
25: 3.42 (-0.03)
median: 3.84 (+0.02)
75: 3.94 (+0.02)

abujabal · Post by **abujabal** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:12 pm

theconsigliere wrote:
abujabal wrote:
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the spreadsheet for last year says 157/163/165 and 3.45/3.82/3.92 for Alabama last year, with 133 students.

125 enrollees (-8)

LSAT
25: 157 (0)
median: 164 (+1)
75: 166 (+1)

GPA
25: 3.42 (-0.03)
median: 3.84 (+0.02)
75: 3.94 (+0.02)

Looks like LSN has different numbers than 2016 then. Thanks.

poptart123 · Post by **poptart123** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:30 pm

theconsigliere wrote:
abujabal wrote:
Size:
1577 applicants (-7)
125 enrollees (-28)

LSAT*:
25: 157 (+1)
Median: 164 (+1)
75: 166 (-2)

GPA:
25: 3.42 (+.13)
Median: 3.84 (+.12)
75: 3.94 (-.01)

*Doesn't include 4 students with no LSAT score

the spreadsheet for last year says 157/163/165 and 3.45/3.82/3.92 for Alabama last year, with 133 students.

125 enrollees (-8)

LSAT
25: 157 (0)
median: 164 (+1)
75: 166 (+1)

GPA
25: 3.42 (-0.03)
median: 3.84 (+0.02)
75: 3.94 (+0.02)

That's actually a pretty solid increase in GPA and LSAT by admissions. Props to the Bama admissions team. I wonder if they get raises.

Future Ex-Engineer · Post by **Future Ex-Engineer** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:31 pm

poptart123 wrote:
theconsigliere wrote:
abujabal wrote:
Size:
1577 applicants (-7)
125 enrollees (-28)

LSAT*:
25: 157 (+1)
Median: 164 (+1)
75: 166 (-2)

GPA:
25: 3.42 (+.13)
Median: 3.84 (+.12)
75: 3.94 (-.01)

*Doesn't include 4 students with no LSAT score

the spreadsheet for last year says 157/163/165 and 3.45/3.82/3.92 for Alabama last year, with 133 students.

125 enrollees (-8)

LSAT
25: 157 (0)
median: 164 (+1)
75: 166 (+1)

GPA
25: 3.42 (-0.03)
median: 3.84 (+0.02)
75: 3.94 (+0.02)
That's actually a pretty solid increase in GPA and LSAT by admissions. Props to the Bama admissions team. I wonder if they get raises.

They recruited hard last year and had a pretty sweet set of scholarships, so not too surprised

poptart123 · Post by **poptart123** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:33 pm

Future Ex-Engineer wrote:
poptart123 wrote:
theconsigliere wrote:
abujabal wrote:
Size:
1577 applicants (-7)
125 enrollees (-28)

LSAT*:
25: 157 (+1)
Median: 164 (+1)
75: 166 (-2)

GPA:
25: 3.42 (+.13)
Median: 3.84 (+.12)
75: 3.94 (-.01)

*Doesn't include 4 students with no LSAT score

the spreadsheet for last year says 157/163/165 and 3.45/3.82/3.92 for Alabama last year, with 133 students.

125 enrollees (-8)

LSAT
25: 157 (0)
median: 164 (+1)
75: 166 (+1)

GPA
25: 3.42 (-0.03)
median: 3.84 (+0.02)
75: 3.94 (+0.02)
That's actually a pretty solid increase in GPA and LSAT by admissions. Props to the Bama admissions team. I wonder if they get raises.
They recruited hard last year and had a pretty sweet set of scholarships, so not too surprised

I remember they also offered me a $30 Amazon gift card to apply along with a fee waiver--essentially making the app free.

DaydreamNation · Post by **DaydreamNation** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:25 pm

calmike wrote:Georgetown's 25th percentile LSAT is down.
Good news for me.

Have the spreadsheet numbers been confirmed somewhere?

usaorbust · Post by **usaorbust** » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:52 am

DaydreamNation wrote:
calmike wrote:Georgetown's 25th percentile LSAT is down.
Good news for me.
Have the spreadsheet numbers been confirmed somewhere?

Huskies13! · Post by **Huskies13!** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:46 am

Been clicking--nobody is updating. Really interesting how many schools updated by now last year that have not updated this year...looks like most schools have decided to wait until December i guess...

Huskies13! · Post by **Huskies13!** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:18 pm

Finally---Davis:
https://law.ucdavis.edu/jd/files/ClassProfile-2017.pdf
Applications Received:
2,988 (+136)
Class Size:
151 (-5)
3.37(+.06)/3.59(+.07)/3.73(+.01)
157(-1)/163(0)/165(+1)

Veil of Ignorance · Post by **Veil of Ignorance** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:30 pm

Where are those Columbia numbers coming from?

Graybrow · Post by **Graybrow** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:10 pm

Veil of Ignorance wrote:Where are those Columbia numbers coming from?

I just deleted them. I think someone was making a prediction. They just copied and pasted the exact same GPA numbers, and 25th and 75th LSAT numbers, and then guessed Columbia would have a 171.

etramak · Post by **etramak** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:23 pm

Graybrow wrote:
Veil of Ignorance wrote:Where are those Columbia numbers coming from?
I just deleted them. I think someone was making a prediction. They just copied and pasted the exact same GPA numbers, and 25th and 75th LSAT numbers, and then guessed Columbia would have a 171.

I got excited that my prediction was right for a second there

The Speed of Love · Post by **The Speed of Love** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:14 pm

etramak wrote:
Graybrow wrote:
Veil of Ignorance wrote:Where are those Columbia numbers coming from?
I just deleted them. I think someone was making a prediction. They just copied and pasted the exact same GPA numbers, and 25th and 75th LSAT numbers, and then guessed Columbia would have a 171.
I got excited that my prediction was right for a second there

Can't predict a black box, bro.

EnglishApplicant2017 · Post by **EnglishApplicant2017** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:18 pm

I was at a Columbia admissions information sessions today and they gave out some literature including the entering class profile.

The number are correct as September 8th 2017.

LSAT 25th: 169
LSAT median: 171
LSAT 75th: 173
LSAT average,(presumably the mean) - 170

GPA - 25th 3.56
Median: 3.7
75th: 3.81
GPA average: 3.67

5829 applicants
Admitted: 20.4%
Total enrolled students: 390

Platopus · Post by **Platopus** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:21 pm

EnglishApplicant2017 · Post by **EnglishApplicant2017** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:28 pm

Platopus wrote:
Wow, so they did drop on their median & 75th LSAT, that's pretty huge.

Yes, but the same as the year before actually. So it seems as though the uptick was more anomalous than this drop.

Platopus · Post by **Platopus** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:32 pm

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