UC Berkeley Extension for GPA Forum

[theventriloquist]

Hey everyone

I want to apply to law school. I have good LSAT (177), but a low GPA (2.9). It has a low trend.

Trouble is, I majored in biology, a subject I'm just not good at.

I am thinking of taking a few courses at UC Berkeley Extension to show that I can get straight A's.

Does anyone know if this is a good program? Or a good idea? Its an online program, which might be a problem?

[cavalier1138]

I'm sure it's a fine program, but it won't offset your undergraduate GPA. That number is locked in place as soon as you graduate, and no school looks at your grades in courses taken through an extension program.

[theventriloquist]

I'm sure it's a fine program, but it won't offset your undergraduate GPA. That number is locked in place as soon as you graduate, and no school looks at your grades in courses taken through an extension program.

Oh thanks a lot. So it would not help at all? It looks like a good program. I wonder if law schools think that I might fail out?

[cavalier1138]

I'm sure it's a fine program, but it won't offset your undergraduate GPA. That number is locked in place as soon as you graduate, and no school looks at your grades in courses taken through an extension program.

Oh thanks a lot. So it would not help at all? It looks like a good program. I wonder if law schools think that I might fail out?

No, it would not help at all. And law schools are not concerned that you're going to "fail out" (if you go to a decent school, you can't fail out) because of a low undergraduate GPA. They're primarily concerned that their numbers will suffer if they admit you and/or that you won't pass the bar. Although a high LSAT score almost always offsets any concerns about bar passage.

[lakers180]

op u should go for a masters in biology and get at least a 3.4. that would signal that you can do the work and guarantee you admission to yale and princeton law schools.

thanks for reading

[theventriloquist]

I'm sure it's a fine program, but it won't offset your undergraduate GPA. That number is locked in place as soon as you graduate, and no school looks at your grades in courses taken through an extension program.

Oh thanks a lot. So it would not help at all? It looks like a good program. I wonder if law schools think that I might fail out?

No, it would not help at all. And law schools are not concerned that you're going to "fail out" (if you go to a decent school, you can't fail out) because of a low undergraduate GPA. They're primarily concerned that their numbers will suffer if they admit you and/or that you won't pass the bar. Although a high LSAT score almost always offsets any concerns about bar passage.

Thanks a lot for that info. I know that medical schools are really concerned about low GPA people failing out. So I assumed that law schools were the same way. Thank's a lot, just saved me some money!

[cavalier1138]

Thanks a lot for that info. I know that medical schools are really concerned about low GPA people failing out. So I assumed that law schools were the same way. Thank's a lot, just saved me some money!

I can save you some more money. Don't apply to law school if you want to work in pharmaceuticals, be an investment banker, or run a small business.

[theventriloquist]

Thanks a lot for that info. I know that medical schools are really concerned about low GPA people failing out. So I assumed that law schools were the same way. Thank's a lot, just saved me some money!

I can save you some more money. Don't apply to law school if you want to work in pharmaceuticals, be an investment banker, or run a small business.

By pharmaceuticals I meant pharma law. I have a MS in Biology, so I think that combined with a JD, it might be lucrative to work in IP drug law or healthcare law. I have read that most lawyers don't have a science background so that might make it easier to get employment. Thank you again for your advice.

[theventriloquist]

Thanks a lot for that info. I know that medical schools are really concerned about low GPA people failing out. So I assumed that law schools were the same way. Thank's a lot, just saved me some money!

I can save you some more money. Don't apply to law school if you want to work in pharmaceuticals, be an investment banker, or run a small business.

I was learning more about law. Here is how it is like.

Suppose a scientist invents a new chemical compound. Now the lawyer will only say if he can patent it, "yes/no". If no, the lawyer might give him options (ie. "if it has an amino group here, or a N group their, you cna patent it."). But the lawyer does not have the training to develop a new compound himself. So he can't just transition to a scientist.

So that is the same thing for finance. the lawyer can say, "yes/no you can do the deal". If no, the lawyer can say, "if you did this or that, it would be legal." So the lawyer cannot just transfer into finance. Unless at an executive level, where you don't deal with technicalities, and just manage.

So I have heard of lawyers become pharma excutives, or financial executives. but that is rare, in general these lawyers were extremely famous, and had friends who were CEO's who offered them jobs. So just as you would not become a patent attorney to become a scientist, you would not go into law to become a banker.

[grades??]

Thanks a lot for that info. I know that medical schools are really concerned about low GPA people failing out. So I assumed that law schools were the same way. Thank's a lot, just saved me some money!

I can save you some more money. Don't apply to law school if you want to work in pharmaceuticals, be an investment banker, or run a small business.

I was learning more about law. Here is how it is like.

Suppose a scientist invents a new chemical compound. Now the lawyer will only say if he can patent it, "yes/no". If no, the lawyer might give him options (ie. "if it has an amino group here, or a N group their, you cna patent it."). But the lawyer does not have the training to develop a new compound himself. So he can't just transition to a scientist.

So that is the same thing for finance. the lawyer can say, "yes/no you can do the deal". If no, the lawyer can say, "if you did this or that, it would be legal." So the lawyer cannot just transfer into finance. Unless at an executive level, where you don't deal with technicalities, and just manage.

So I have heard of lawyers become pharma excutives, or financial executives. but that is rare, in general these lawyers were extremely famous, and had friends who were CEO's who offered them jobs. So just as you would not become a patent attorney to become a scientist, you would not go into law to become a banker.

but your admitted goal here to many of us is to be a I banker. This whole thing CONTINUES to make no sense and I do hope the mods step in

[theventriloquist]

Thanks a lot for that info. I know that medical schools are really concerned about low GPA people failing out. So I assumed that law schools were the same way. Thank's a lot, just saved me some money!

I can save you some more money. Don't apply to law school if you want to work in pharmaceuticals, be an investment banker, or run a small business.

I was learning more about law. Here is how it is like.

Suppose a scientist invents a new chemical compound. Now the lawyer will only say if he can patent it, "yes/no". If no, the lawyer might give him options (ie. "if it has an amino group here, or a N group their, you cna patent it."). But the lawyer does not have the training to develop a new compound himself. So he can't just transition to a scientist.

So that is the same thing for finance. the lawyer can say, "yes/no you can do the deal". If no, the lawyer can say, "if you did this or that, it would be legal." So the lawyer cannot just transfer into finance. Unless at an executive level, where you don't deal with technicalities, and just manage.

So I have heard of lawyers become pharma excutives, or financial executives. but that is rare, in general these lawyers were extremely famous, and had friends who were CEO's who offered them jobs. So just as you would not become a patent attorney to become a scientist, you would not go into law to become a banker.

but your admitted goal here to many of us is to be a I banker. This whole thing CONTINUES to make no sense and I do hope the mods step in

Investment bankers are not all their cracked up to be. The job security is very poor. Its up or out and the major firms. Law firms tend to have stronger job security. The salary of IB is higher at the high ends, but you need to work a lot more than lawyers, in terms of hours.

[grades??]

Thanks a lot for that info. I know that medical schools are really concerned about low GPA people failing out. So I assumed that law schools were the same way. Thank's a lot, just saved me some money!

I can save you some more money. Don't apply to law school if you want to work in pharmaceuticals, be an investment banker, or run a small business.

I was learning more about law. Here is how it is like.

Suppose a scientist invents a new chemical compound. Now the lawyer will only say if he can patent it, "yes/no". If no, the lawyer might give him options (ie. "if it has an amino group here, or a N group their, you cna patent it."). But the lawyer does not have the training to develop a new compound himself. So he can't just transition to a scientist.

So that is the same thing for finance. the lawyer can say, "yes/no you can do the deal". If no, the lawyer can say, "if you did this or that, it would be legal." So the lawyer cannot just transfer into finance. Unless at an executive level, where you don't deal with technicalities, and just manage.

So I have heard of lawyers become pharma excutives, or financial executives. but that is rare, in general these lawyers were extremely famous, and had friends who were CEO's who offered them jobs. So just as you would not become a patent attorney to become a scientist, you would not go into law to become a banker.

but your admitted goal here to many of us is to be a I banker. This whole thing CONTINUES to make no sense and I do hope the mods step in

Investment bankers are not all their cracked up to be. The job security is very poor. Its up or out and the major firms. Law firms tend to have stronger job security. The salary of IB is higher at the high ends, but you need to work a lot more than lawyers, in terms of hours.

LOL go away

[B90]

Thanks a lot for that info. I know that medical schools are really concerned about low GPA people failing out. So I assumed that law schools were the same way. Thank's a lot, just saved me some money!

I can save you some more money. Don't apply to law school if you want to work in pharmaceuticals, be an investment banker, or run a small business.

I was learning more about law. Here is how it is like.

Suppose a scientist invents a new chemical compound. Now the lawyer will only say if he can patent it, "yes/no". If no, the lawyer might give him options (ie. "if it has an amino group here, or a N group their, you cna patent it."). But the lawyer does not have the training to develop a new compound himself. So he can't just transition to a scientist.

So that is the same thing for finance. the lawyer can say, "yes/no you can do the deal". If no, the lawyer can say, "if you did this or that, it would be legal." So the lawyer cannot just transfer into finance. Unless at an executive level, where you don't deal with technicalities, and just manage.

So I have heard of lawyers become pharma excutives, or financial executives. but that is rare, in general these lawyers were extremely famous, and had friends who were CEO's who offered them jobs. So just as you would not become a patent attorney to become a scientist, you would not go into law to become a banker.

but your admitted goal here to many of us is to be a I banker. This whole thing CONTINUES to make no sense and I do hope the mods step in

To quote the owner of the company I worked for when I decided to apply to law school, you can't always make sense.

I for one would rather see this thread move to the lounge. It has potentential...

[A. Nony Mouse]

Thanks a lot for that info. I know that medical schools are really concerned about low GPA people failing out. So I assumed that law schools were the same way. Thank's a lot, just saved me some money!

I can save you some more money. Don't apply to law school if you want to work in pharmaceuticals, be an investment banker, or run a small business.

I was learning more about law. Here is how it is like.

Suppose a scientist invents a new chemical compound. Now the lawyer will only say if he can patent it, "yes/no". If no, the lawyer might give him options (ie. "if it has an amino group here, or a N group their, you cna patent it."). But the lawyer does not have the training to develop a new compound himself. So he can't just transition to a scientist.

So that is the same thing for finance. the lawyer can say, "yes/no you can do the deal". If no, the lawyer can say, "if you did this or that, it would be legal." So the lawyer cannot just transfer into finance. Unless at an executive level, where you don't deal with technicalities, and just manage.

So I have heard of lawyers become pharma excutives, or financial executives. but that is rare, in general these lawyers were extremely famous, and had friends who were CEO's who offered them jobs. So just as you would not become a patent attorney to become a scientist, you would not go into law to become a banker.

but your admitted goal here to many of us is to be a I banker. This whole thing CONTINUES to make no sense and I do hope the mods step in

Investment bankers are not all their cracked up to be. The job security is very poor. Its up or out and the major firms. Law firms tend to have stronger job security. The salary of IB is higher at the high ends, but you need to work a lot more than lawyers, in terms of hours.

People would probably respond to you better if you at least acknowledged that you've changed your plans like at least 4 times in probably less than 4 weeks.

[lymenheimer]

Thanks a lot for that info. I know that medical schools are really concerned about low GPA people failing out. So I assumed that law schools were the same way. Thank's a lot, just saved me some money!

I can save you some more money. Don't apply to law school if you want to work in pharmaceuticals, be an investment banker, or run a small business.

I was learning more about law. Here is how it is like.

Suppose a scientist invents a new chemical compound. Now the lawyer will only say if he can patent it, "yes/no". If no, the lawyer might give him options (ie. "if it has an amino group here, or a N group their, you cna patent it."). But the lawyer does not have the training to develop a new compound himself. So he can't just transition to a scientist.

So that is the same thing for finance. the lawyer can say, "yes/no you can do the deal". If no, the lawyer can say, "if you did this or that, it would be legal." So the lawyer cannot just transfer into finance. Unless at an executive level, where you don't deal with technicalities, and just manage.

So I have heard of lawyers become pharma excutives, or financial executives. but that is rare, in general these lawyers were extremely famous, and had friends who were CEO's who offered them jobs. So just as you would not become a patent attorney to become a scientist, you would not go into law to become a banker.

but your admitted goal here to many of us is to be a I banker. This whole thing CONTINUES to make no sense and I do hope the mods step in

Investment bankers are not all their cracked up to be. The job security is very poor. Its up or out and the major firms. Law firms tend to have stronger job security. The salary of IB is higher at the high ends, but you need to work a lot more than lawyers, in terms of hours.

People would probably respond to you better if you at least acknowledged that you've changed your plans like at least 4 times in probably less than 4 weeks.

and also if you quit acting like you knew everything about every job (including the one a lot of people here know about - law) better than everyone else.

[Npret]

Thanks a lot for that info. I know that medical schools are really concerned about low GPA people failing out. So I assumed that law schools were the same way. Thank's a lot, just saved me some money!

I can save you some more money. Don't apply to law school if you want to work in pharmaceuticals, be an investment banker, or run a small business.

I was learning more about law. Here is how it is like.

Suppose a scientist invents a new chemical compound. Now the lawyer will only say if he can patent it, "yes/no". If no, the lawyer might give him options (ie. "if it has an amino group here, or a N group their, you cna patent it."). But the lawyer does not have the training to develop a new compound himself. So he can't just transition to a scientist.

So that is the same thing for finance. the lawyer can say, "yes/no you can do the deal". If no, the lawyer can say, "if you did this or that, it would be legal." So the lawyer cannot just transfer into finance. Unless at an executive level, where you don't deal with technicalities, and just manage.

So I have heard of lawyers become pharma excutives, or financial executives. but that is rare, in general these lawyers were extremely famous, and had friends who were CEO's who offered them jobs. So just as you would not become a patent attorney to become a scientist, you would not go into law to become a banker.

but your admitted goal here to many of us is to be a I banker. This whole thing CONTINUES to make no sense and I do hope the mods step in

Investment bankers are not all their cracked up to be. The job security is very poor. Its up or out and the major firms. Law firms tend to have stronger job security. The salary of IB is higher at the high ends, but you need to work a lot more than lawyers, in terms of hours.

People would probably respond to you better if you at least acknowledged that you've changed your plans like at least 4 times in probably less than 4 weeks.

I think he's sunk after the comment about women that got him banned.

[cavalier1138]

People would probably respond to you better if you at least acknowledged that you've changed your plans like at least 4 times in probably less than 4 weeks.

This.

If you had consistently wanted to do something that doesn't really require a JD to do, at least I could understand. But you've been changing your career goals regularly, and it doesn't paint the picture of someone who should be investing three years in professional training.

Edit: OP, I hadn't seen the comment you made in the BC thread until now. Holy shit, you're awful.

[Nebby]

If this website had moderators we could solve so many problems!

[grades??]

holy shit that BC comment didn't get op perma-banned? wtf

[Deserving Porcupine]

holy shit that BC comment didn't get op perma-banned? wtf

[Nonconsecutive]

holy shit that BC comment didn't get op perma-banned? wtf

This forum is crazily lax on trolls, at least compared to the others I frequent.