CLASS OF 2019! MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE) Forum

[Liz18]

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[bmathers]

From the Dean at GMU ASLS to the student/faculty body:

Class size - 179
LSAT Median - 162 (+1)
GPA Median - 3.66 (+.07)

At first I read that as GMU's median LSAT went up to 179 and I almost sh*t my pants

That's up from a 161 3.59, BTW (I edited it in my quote for ya)

[zeglo]

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[lsatrecycles]

Law school admissions history question: have HYS medians ever crept up to 174+?

[theconsigliere]

Law school admissions history question: have HYS medians ever crept up to 174+?

The 509 reports only go back to the 2010-2011 cycle, but Harvard and Yale have each had a 173 median in each of those years. Stanford has been 171 +/- 1 over the last 5 cycles

[Huskies13!]

Yale (sort of):
https://www.law.yale.edu/yls-today/news ... w-students
211 students (+11)

[proteinshake]

Yale (sort of):
https://www.law.yale.edu/yls-today/news ... w-students
211 students (+11)

wow only 18% KJD.

[zeglo]

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[TexasENG]

Yale (sort of):
https://www.law.yale.edu/yls-today/news ... w-students
211 students (+11)

wow only 18% KJD.

Work experience is the way to go from every practical standpoint other than being slightly older at graduation.

I wonder if this will be a trend across T14

[theconsigliere]

Yale (sort of):
https://www.law.yale.edu/yls-today/news ... w-students
211 students (+11)

wow only 18% KJD.

Work experience is the way to go from every practical standpoint other than being slightly older at graduation.

I wonder if this will be a trend across T14

Anecdotal, but i, and a few other KJDs I know, had cycles (acceptances and scholarship offers) that weren't quite as good as our numbers would have suggested

[proteinshake]

Yale (sort of):
https://www.law.yale.edu/yls-today/news ... w-students
211 students (+11)

wow only 18% KJD.

Work experience is the way to go from every practical standpoint other than being slightly older at graduation.

I wonder if this will be a trend across T14

Anecdotal, but i, and a few other KJDs I know, had cycles (acceptances and scholarship offers) that weren't quite as good as our numbers would have suggested

I think this would apply to the T6, I'm sure KJD status won't affect the bottom half of the T14 (except for named schollys)

[Huskies13!]

Gonzaga:
103 (-24)
151/153/155(-1)
3.01(+.03)/3.24(-.01)/3.42(-.07)
https://www.law.gonzaga.edu/prospective/quick-facts/

[ms9]

Yale (sort of):
https://www.law.yale.edu/yls-today/news ... w-students
211 students (+11)

wow only 18% KJD.

Work experience is the way to go from every practical standpoint other than being slightly older at graduation.

I wonder if this will be a trend across T14

Anecdotal, but i, and a few other KJDs I know, had cycles (acceptances and scholarship offers) that weren't quite as good as our numbers would have suggested

Much easier for schools at the top to do that in a cycle where LSAT scores at the top were up.

I do not project they will be up at the end again this year (certainly I could be wrong), so I don't think this will be as problematic for KJDs this year. Although again I could be wrong.

Incidentally, a friend of mine, Scott Moss CU Law Professor and Harvard Law Graduate, recently did a peer reviewed and published study on work experience and law school success. The conclusion:4-9 years of work is a "sweet spot," with neither 1-3 or 10 years' + work experience significant. Take it FWIW.

[ashrice13]

Incidentally, a friend of mine, Scott Moss CU Law Professor and Harvard Law Graduate, recently did a peer reviewed and published study on work experience and law school success. The conclusion:4-9 years of work is a "sweet spot," with neither 1-3 or 10 years' + work experience significant. Take it FWIW.

If only I could include these findings with my applications.....

[Ifoundnemo]

Much easier for schools at the top to do that in a cycle where LSAT scores at the top were up.

I do not project they will be up at the end again this year (certainly I could be wrong), so I don't think this will be as problematic for KJDs this year. Although again I could be wrong.

Mike - do you have any theories as to why the LSAT scores were higher this past cycle? Also, what are you seeing that leads you to believe that this trend won't likely continue for the 2016/2017 cycle, as well?

Any thoughts on the future for a non-URM kjd with average/solid softs who is a 170+ splitter looking for love in the T14 this cycle?

[sonyco]

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[Ifoundnemo]

Much easier for schools at the top to do that in a cycle where LSAT scores at the top were up.

I do not project they will be up at the end again this year (certainly I could be wrong), so I don't think this will be as problematic for KJDs this year. Although again I could be wrong.

Mike - do you have any theories as to why the LSAT scores were higher this past cycle? Also, what are you seeing that leads you to believe that this trend won't likely continue for the 2016/2017 cycle, as well?

Any thoughts on the future for a non-URM kjd with average/solid softs who is a 170+ splitter looking for love in the T14 this cycle?

LSAC implemented the new accommodations guidelines for the December 2015 LSAT administration. The guidelines legit state something to the effect of "if the applicant received double time on exams in their private college, then they shall be granted double time on the LSAT."

Interesting! That could definitely account for the higher scores this past go around -- but, since it is likely that new policy is here to stay, what would lead Mr. Spivey to believe that there wouldn't be as many high scorers this upcoming cycle? Or did he mean that he high score distribution we just saw is the new normal, but it should not continue to trend even higher?

[proteinshake]

when I get a notification for this forum and it isn't new medians I get very sad and cry

[ms9]

Much easier for schools at the top to do that in a cycle where LSAT scores at the top were up.

I do not project they will be up at the end again this year (certainly I could be wrong), so I don't think this will be as problematic for KJDs this year. Although again I could be wrong.

Mike - do you have any theories as to why the LSAT scores were higher this past cycle? Also, what are you seeing that leads you to believe that this trend won't likely continue for the 2016/2017 cycle, as well?

Any thoughts on the future for a non-URM kjd with average/solid softs who is a 170+ splitter looking for love in the T14 this cycle?

LSAC implemented the new accommodations guidelines for the December 2015 LSAT administration. The guidelines legit state something to the effect of "if the applicant received double time on exams in their private college, then they shall be granted double time on the LSAT."

Interesting! That could definitely account for the higher scores this past go around -- but, since it is likely that new policy is here to stay, what would lead Mr. Spivey to believe that there wouldn't be as many high scorers this upcoming cycle? Or did he mean that he high score distribution we just saw is the new normal, but it should not continue to trend even higher?

I meant that part. Stable but not upward this cycle. Our maybe even slightly down.

[ms9]

when I get a notification for this forum and it isn't new medians I get very sad and cry

Me too. And I cry more when I see there is a question for me and my phone is ringing and email boxy buzzing But I'll try to get to them all! Please keep populating with medians!

[LikelyThrowaway]

Much easier for schools at the top to do that in a cycle where LSAT scores at the top were up.

I do not project they will be up at the end again this year (certainly I could be wrong), so I don't think this will be as problematic for KJDs this year. Although again I could be wrong.

Mike - do you have any theories as to why the LSAT scores were higher this past cycle? Also, what are you seeing that leads you to believe that this trend won't likely continue for the 2016/2017 cycle, as well?

Any thoughts on the future for a non-URM kjd with average/solid softs who is a 170+ splitter looking for love in the T14 this cycle?

LSAC implemented the new accommodations guidelines for the December 2015 LSAT administration. The guidelines legit state something to the effect of "if the applicant received double time on exams in their private college, then they shall be granted double time on the LSAT."

Interesting! That could definitely account for the higher scores this past go around -- but, since it is likely that new policy is here to stay, what would lead Mr. Spivey to believe that there wouldn't be as many high scorers this upcoming cycle? Or did he mean that he high score distribution we just saw is the new normal, but it should not continue to trend even higher?

I meant that part. Stable but not upward this cycle. Our maybe even slightly down.

Might it not begin trending down as the normal distribution shifts to account for the higher number of high-scorers? I'd imagine the experimental sections would capture the same upward trend, and one that happens it'd simply result in a harsher curve and a return to the previous distribution.

[vcap180]

Much easier for schools at the top to do that in a cycle where LSAT scores at the top were up.

I do not project they will be up at the end again this year (certainly I could be wrong), so I don't think this will be as problematic for KJDs this year. Although again I could be wrong.

Mike - do you have any theories as to why the LSAT scores were higher this past cycle? Also, what are you seeing that leads you to believe that this trend won't likely continue for the 2016/2017 cycle, as well?

Any thoughts on the future for a non-URM kjd with average/solid softs who is a 170+ splitter looking for love in the T14 this cycle?

LSAC implemented the new accommodations guidelines for the December 2015 LSAT administration. The guidelines legit state something to the effect of "if the applicant received double time on exams in their private college, then they shall be granted double time on the LSAT."

Holddddd the f*ck on.....what? Some kids are taking the LSAT with 70 minute sections? There's no way - the 35 minute time constraint is precisely what makes the test difficult.

[bmathers]

Much easier for schools at the top to do that in a cycle where LSAT scores at the top were up.

I do not project they will be up at the end again this year (certainly I could be wrong), so I don't think this will be as problematic for KJDs this year. Although again I could be wrong.

Mike - do you have any theories as to why the LSAT scores were higher this past cycle? Also, what are you seeing that leads you to believe that this trend won't likely continue for the 2016/2017 cycle, as well?

Any thoughts on the future for a non-URM kjd with average/solid softs who is a 170+ splitter looking for love in the T14 this cycle?

LSAC implemented the new accommodations guidelines for the December 2015 LSAT administration. The guidelines legit state something to the effect of "if the applicant received double time on exams in their private college, then they shall be granted double time on the LSAT."

Holddddd the f*ck on.....what? Some kids are taking the LSAT with 70 minute sections? There's no way - the 35 minute time constraint is precisely what makes the test difficult.

That is the truth - designed to level the playing field.. it's not an everyday test-taker given 70 minutes

[vcap180]

Much easier for schools at the top to do that in a cycle where LSAT scores at the top were up.

I do not project they will be up at the end again this year (certainly I could be wrong), so I don't think this will be as problematic for KJDs this year. Although again I could be wrong.

Mike - do you have any theories as to why the LSAT scores were higher this past cycle? Also, what are you seeing that leads you to believe that this trend won't likely continue for the 2016/2017 cycle, as well?

Any thoughts on the future for a non-URM kjd with average/solid softs who is a 170+ splitter looking for love in the T14 this cycle?

LSAC implemented the new accommodations guidelines for the December 2015 LSAT administration. The guidelines legit state something to the effect of "if the applicant received double time on exams in their private college, then they shall be granted double time on the LSAT."

Holddddd the f*ck on.....what? Some kids are taking the LSAT with 70 minute sections? There's no way - the 35 minute time constraint is precisely what makes the test difficult.

That is the truth - designed to level the playing field.. it's not an everyday test-taker given 70 minutes

Are their bosses, clients, or the courts going to give them double time on deadlines to even the playing field? This is absolute insanity.

[bmathers]

Much easier for schools at the top to do that in a cycle where LSAT scores at the top were up.

I do not project they will be up at the end again this year (certainly I could be wrong), so I don't think this will be as problematic for KJDs this year. Although again I could be wrong.

Mike - do you have any theories as to why the LSAT scores were higher this past cycle? Also, what are you seeing that leads you to believe that this trend won't likely continue for the 2016/2017 cycle, as well?

Any thoughts on the future for a non-URM kjd with average/solid softs who is a 170+ splitter looking for love in the T14 this cycle?

LSAC implemented the new accommodations guidelines for the December 2015 LSAT administration. The guidelines legit state something to the effect of "if the applicant received double time on exams in their private college, then they shall be granted double time on the LSAT."

Holddddd the f*ck on.....what? Some kids are taking the LSAT with 70 minute sections? There's no way - the 35 minute time constraint is precisely what makes the test difficult.

That is the truth - designed to level the playing field.. it's not an everyday test-taker given 70 minutes

Are there bosses, clients, or the courts going to give them double time on deadlines to even the playing field? This is absolute insanity.

I agree to an extent, but there are "coping mechanisms" people use in the day-to-day that can help in such situations. It's not quite that black and white... there are extra hours in a day that can be worked, for the same pay... so, ultimately, extra time = less free time in the work environment.

Take a 6 hr PT and see how you feel after having to focus and concentrate to the extent an LSAT requires for that prolonged exposure. It's a different skill that has to be accounted for - I know some LSAT teachers that suggest not taking extra time for that reason.

(That being said, let's get back on topic... don't want to let ProteinShake down too badly after all these new posts in the Median thread. It's like unwrapping a present, to find out it's dog poop).