Was this a bad cycle for splitters and T14? Forum

[drblakedowns]

I haven't quite heard from all the schools, but I am WL'd at 8 of of the T14 schools. From what I've been seeing, that's a fairly typical outcome for this cycle.

That said, confirmation bias (and self selection) is a thing, so have other people experienced the same (or not had that experience at all)?

If it is a bad cycle for splitters, is it because of increase in high LSAT scores?


Edit (stats/outcomes): 173/ 3.27;
In: UVA;
out: Harvard, Yale, Berkeley;
WL: Columbia, Chicago, NYU, Penn, Michigan, Duke, Cornell, Northwestern;
Still Waiting: Stanford

[grades??]

All speculation but probably. High lsat scores are way up from last year. So, it is reasonable to assume the increase in higher scores increased the number of people who got higher scores that aren't splitters, making splitters less necessary to fill out high lsat medians. So glad I didn't reapply this cycle and took one of my offers from last year.

[no_desk]

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[Bluex12]

Waitlisted at 10 T14's, accepted to 1 with $ which I am attending (Michigan).

I'm 3.3/172, and a K-JD.

[asdfdfdfadfas]

Anyway for those who have posted their results to include their stats as well?

It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

[tsujimoto74]

I'll be another data point for this. Applied to 9 T14s and was WL'd by 7 of them (2 in the top 6) and dinged by 2, though I might've shot myself in the foot by applying a bit late. I'm planning on riding out a couple of of my wait lists, so we'll see what happens, I guess.

ETA: 3.3/173, garbage major at a small state school, couple years WE.

[Specter1389]

I had slightly below a 3.0 LSAC calculated GPA and a 170 LSAT.

Accepted to Georgetown with a scholarship and UVA without one.
Waitlisted at Chicago, Columbia, Duke, Penn, Michigan, Northwestern.
Rejected at Harvard, Stanford, Cornell, Berkeley, NYU.

[James.K.Polk]

3.1/171, I think I did okay - better than I expected, anyway. Buoyed by STEM/work experience.

In: Penn, Michigan, UVA, Northwestern (WUSTL, UT, V, E, M)
WL: Chicago, Columbia, Duke, Berkeley
Ding: Harvard, Cornell

[Tempo]

I was only accepted at NYU, WLed at Columbia, Berkeley, UVA, Michigan, and Duke, rejected at Stanford. 3.7/171

So, it seems like it to me.

[zozo1717]

Maybe it was. Seems like it was a more forgiving cycle for splitters with low GPAs because of a hard major (i.e. STEM) or interesting work experience

For me, in at Mich, GT, Northwestern and Cornell (with some $$), lots of T14 waitlists and in with $$ at all the T20s I applied to. I also applied really early (October timeframe), so I think that really helped as well.

Stats: 168/3.2x (STEM + work experience)

[Clyde Frog]

I was only accepted at NYU, WLed at Columbia, Berkeley, UVA, Michigan, and Duke, rejected at Stanford. 3.7/171

So, it seems like it to me.

Your cycle makes no sense. Did u have c&f issues?

[Tempo]

I was only accepted at NYU, WLed at Columbia, Berkeley, UVA, Michigan, and Duke, rejected at Stanford. 3.7/171

So, it seems like it to me.

Your cycle makes no sense. Did u have c&f issues?

Minor in Possession (of alcohol) charge 2 years ago and a noise violation in the dorms from my freshman year.

[zyxwvut2]

It's difficult to make broad generalizations, but from what it sounds like maybe on average it was a tougher cycle.

That said, I did pretty well.... 171/3.2 with another grad degree and work experience.

In: Penn, UVA, Michigan, Northwestern, Georgetown
WL: Chicago, NYU

[asdfdfdfadfas]

Keep these coming. I am in a similar boat Lsat 165-170 2.8 double in Econ and Finance+ 3 years solid work experience. Working as an accountant right now and sitting for classes at night in order to sit for the CPA. Going tax and will maybe in a few years go back to become a tax attorney once I figure out whether or not it will be worth sitting for the JD at that point - I'll be 30 by then.

Very grateful to hear everyone's out comes. It seems like the 170+ is really what pushes adcom more toward being splitter friendly. Coming from the business school it is incredible to me how seriously GPA is taken. In my opinion it is a complete double standard holding people 100% accountable for their GPAS when schools are teaching archiac theory that is 40 years old, grading subjectively, and having undergrads watch office space on the weekend for extra credit

Either way, congrats to those who are in.

[asdfdfdfadfas]

It's difficult to make broad generalizations, but from what it sounds like maybe on average it was a tougher cycle.

That said, I did pretty well.... 171/3.2 with another grad degree and work experience.

In: Penn, UVA, Michigan, Northwestern, Georgetown
WL: Chicago, NYU

Are the schools you are in at sticker?

[TLSDookie]

3.0/173, Accepted at Duke (had fantastic Duke-specific softs) and WUSTL, W/L at Penn, NW, UVA, Mich, GTown, rejected from HS CCN, didn't apply to Yale/Cornell.

[Clyde Frog]

I was only accepted at NYU, WLed at Columbia, Berkeley, UVA, Michigan, and Duke, rejected at Stanford. 3.7/171

So, it seems like it to me.

Your cycle makes no sense. Did u have c&f issues?

Minor in Possession (of alcohol) charge 2 years ago and a noise violation in the dorms from my freshman year.

Did u apply to the rest of the t14

[zyxwvut2]

It's difficult to make broad generalizations, but from what it sounds like maybe on average it was a tougher cycle.

That said, I did pretty well.... 171/3.2 with another grad degree and work experience.

In: Penn ($), UVA, Michigan ($$), Northwestern ($$), Georgetown
WL: Chicago, NYU

Are the schools you are in at sticker?

updated, got money at most

[burtsbeesfanatic]

3.6/177

In: Columbia, NYU, Duke, Georgetown, Vandy
WL: Harvard, Penn, UVA, Berkeley, UCLA
Rej: Yale, Stanford

Basically right what I expected. Maybe hoped to get into Harvard, but yeah, nothing too surprising.

[drblakedowns]

3.6/177

In: Columbia, NYU, Duke, Georgetown, Vandy
WL: Harvard, Penn, UVA, Berkeley, UCLA
Rej: Yale, Stanford

Basically right what I expected. Maybe hoped to get into Harvard, but yeah, nothing too surprising.

So this fits into the hypothesis. There is more supply of 75th percentile LSATs, so the splitters are the first out (and the surplus of high LSATs isn't enough to change outcomes for the non-splitters).

[asdfdfdfadfas]

3.6/177

In: Columbia, NYU, Duke, Georgetown, Vandy
WL: Harvard, Penn, UVA, Berkeley, UCLA
Rej: Yale, Stanford

Basically right what I expected. Maybe hoped to get into Harvard, but yeah, nothing too surprising.

So this fits into the hypothesis. There is more supply of 75th percentile LSATs, so the splitters are the first out (and the surplus of high LSATs isn't enough to change outcomes for the non-splitters).

I hope it is not that simplistic. oh 3.7 > 3.6. You are in, you are out. How dumb. I can only attest for b school but that isn't how it works.

[somethingElse]

to my knowledge lawl school admissions is way more numbers driven than bizz school

[Lithium94]

Would have to agree with the above, seems that WL is where most of us are ending up

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[asdfdfdfadfas]

to my knowledge lawl school admissions is way more numbers driven than bizz school

Right, I am saying if you are evaluating two people with a 177 and it comes down to X or Y and X has 3.6 and Y has 3.7 and they both have an undergrad major in Finance and you choose Y simply because he/she has a 3.7 that is literally the dumbest thing I have ever heard. It's like saying X won the fight against Y because the scorecard says X landed 2 more punches.

I won't comment on this again because I don't want to start this debate again, but I really hope that isn't what they are doing.

[somethingElse]

to my knowledge lawl school admissions is way more numbers driven than bizz school

Right, I am saying if you are evaluating two people with a 177 and it comes down to X or Y and X has 3.6 and Y has 3.7 and they both have an undergrad major in Finance and you choose Y simply because he/she has a 3.7 that is literally the dumbest thing I have ever heard. It's like saying X won the fight against Y because the scorecard says X landed 2 more punches.

I won't comment on this again because I don't want to start this debate again, but I really hope that isn't what they are doing.

that is literally exactly what they are doing most likely, except kind of the other way around in that they would look at the GPA and LSAT before anything else