Need some help on applicant's information Forum

[kangaroo430]

Hi everybody. I am an international applicant and I have encountered some difficulties when I try to fill out my education form. So I did not start learning English until I was 12. I grew up in a state-run athlete academy until I was eliminated at 12 so I went to middle school without ever going to primary school. I learned English in middle school for the first time.

On LSAC, they asked me "If English is not your native language, when did you begin to learn it?" My only options are "during elementary school" and "during high school." If I started learning English when I was in middle school, which one should I choose? Does middle school mean junior high and thus falls into the "high school" category? I am really confused...

Thank you very much in advance!

[iamapipersson]

Hi everybody. I am an international applicant and I have encountered some difficulties when I try to fill out my education form. So I did not start learning English until I was 12. I grew up in a state-run athlete academy until I was eliminated at 12 so I went to middle school without ever going to primary school. I learned English in middle school for the first time.

On LSAC, they asked me "If English is not your native language, when did you begin to learn it?" My only options are "during elementary school" and "during high school." If I started learning English when I was in middle school, which one should I choose? Does middle school mean junior high and thus falls into the "high school" category? I am really confused...

Thank you very much in advance!

Professional advice: don't become an attorney.

[kangaroo430]

Hi everybody. I am an international applicant and I have encountered some difficulties when I try to fill out my education form. So I did not start learning English until I was 12. I grew up in a state-run athlete academy until I was eliminated at 12 so I went to middle school without ever going to primary school. I learned English in middle school for the first time.

On LSAC, they asked me "If English is not your native language, when did you begin to learn it?" My only options are "during elementary school" and "during high school." If I started learning English when I was in middle school, which one should I choose? Does middle school mean junior high and thus falls into the "high school" category? I am really confused...

Thank you very much in advance!

Professional advice: don't become an attorney.

Thanks for the "professional" advice. Much appreciated.

[landshoes]

Hi everybody. I am an international applicant and I have encountered some difficulties when I try to fill out my education form. So I did not start learning English until I was 12. I grew up in a state-run athlete academy until I was eliminated at 12 so I went to middle school without ever going to primary school. I learned English in middle school for the first time.

On LSAC, they asked me "If English is not your native language, when did you begin to learn it?" My only options are "during elementary school" and "during high school." If I started learning English when I was in middle school, which one should I choose? Does middle school mean junior high and thus falls into the "high school" category? I am really confused...

Thank you very much in advance!

Since it's ambiguous, I would interpret it in the way that is more favorable to you, meaning I'd select "elementary school." But the more ethical and conscientious thing to do would be to contact LSAC and ask them. Good luck!

[kangaroo430]

Hi everybody. I am an international applicant and I have encountered some difficulties when I try to fill out my education form. So I did not start learning English until I was 12. I grew up in a state-run athlete academy until I was eliminated at 12 so I went to middle school without ever going to primary school. I learned English in middle school for the first time.

On LSAC, they asked me "If English is not your native language, when did you begin to learn it?" My only options are "during elementary school" and "during high school." If I started learning English when I was in middle school, which one should I choose? Does middle school mean junior high and thus falls into the "high school" category? I am really confused...

Thank you very much in advance!

Since it's ambiguous, I would interpret it in the way that is more favorable to you, meaning I'd select "elementary school." But the more ethical and conscientious thing to do would be to contact LSAC and ask them. Good luck!

Thanks! Umm I actually meant some schools asked me that. I think I'd just probably send those schools a clarification email later? I am not just very certain of the American definition of "high school" and "elementary school" haha.

[rnoodles]

Were you a fútballer? Did any of your academy mates move on to Serie A, PL, Bund, anything? (Legitimate inquiry.)

[landshoes]

Hi everybody. I am an international applicant and I have encountered some difficulties when I try to fill out my education form. So I did not start learning English until I was 12. I grew up in a state-run athlete academy until I was eliminated at 12 so I went to middle school without ever going to primary school. I learned English in middle school for the first time.

On LSAC, they asked me "If English is not your native language, when did you begin to learn it?" My only options are "during elementary school" and "during high school." If I started learning English when I was in middle school, which one should I choose? Does middle school mean junior high and thus falls into the "high school" category? I am really confused...

Thank you very much in advance!

Since it's ambiguous, I would interpret it in the way that is more favorable to you, meaning I'd select "elementary school." But the more ethical and conscientious thing to do would be to contact LSAC and ask them. Good luck!

Thanks! Umm I actually meant some schools asked me that. I think I'd just probably send those schools a clarification email later? I am not just very certain of the American definition of "high school" and "elementary school" haha.

Yes, I would just ask those schools. It varies a lot here in the US, there's no one US definition. I have seen all these combos:

K-5 elementary 6-12 high school,
K-8 elementary 9-12 high school
K-5 elementary, 6-9 middle school/junior high, 10-12 high school
K-6 elementary, 7-9 junior high, 10-12 high school
K-5 elementary, 6-8 middle school, 9-12 high school

Etc. There's no real standard.

[kangaroo430]

Were you a fútballer? Did any of your academy mates move on to Serie A, PL, Bund, anything? (Legitimate inquiry.)

Yes I was. And oh no none of those big leagues..I'm not an European anyways..Couple of them still play professionally at China, Japan or Middle East but I doubt they are top-league. One of my friends got a trial in Hamburg if I remember correctly but I don't think he made it..Sorry I disassociated myself from that kind of group a long time ago.

[rnoodles]

Were you a fútballer? Did any of your academy mates move on to Serie A, PL, Bund, anything? (Legitimate inquiry.)

Yes I was. And oh no none of those big leagues..I'm not an European anyways..Couple of them still play professionally at China, Japan or Middle East but I doubt they are top-league. One of my friends got a trial in Hamburg if I remember correctly but I don't think he made it..Sorry I disassociated myself from that kind of group a long time ago.

What?! That's pretty badass. I'm from the US, but I had some friends try out the academies here and one try out in Brazil's second league (no idea what it is), then play in the english league (not PL) for a while. He was a pretty good National U-17 player for a while too. Closest to professional football i've come.

It's all good man. Just interested in the actual politics and nature of academies, esp. the european ones.

[kangaroo430]

Were you a fútballer? Did any of your academy mates move on to Serie A, PL, Bund, anything? (Legitimate inquiry.)

Yes I was. And oh no none of those big leagues..I'm not an European anyways..Couple of them still play professionally at China, Japan or Middle East but I doubt they are top-league. One of my friends got a trial in Hamburg if I remember correctly but I don't think he made it..Sorry I disassociated myself from that kind of group a long time ago.

What?! That's pretty badass. I'm from the US, but I had some friends try out the academies here and one try out in Brazil's second league (no idea what it is), then play in the english league (not PL) for a while. He was a pretty good National U-17 player for a while too. Closest to professional football i've come.

It's all good man. Just interested in the actual politics and nature of academies, esp. the european ones.

Oh I am a senior in an American college now. It is very interesting how American sport system (especially collegiate one) works. I was genuinely surprised and I like the fact that most American athletes actually have a good education. Personally I think the academies are doing harm to young players b/c honestly many wont make it and they need education for their future.
And wow! That is really impressive! I wish your friend all the best. I think U.S. has a very good soccer/football foundation! And I really admire American players' stamina and team spirit!

[kangaroo430]

Hi everybody. I am an international applicant and I have encountered some difficulties when I try to fill out my education form. So I did not start learning English until I was 12. I grew up in a state-run athlete academy until I was eliminated at 12 so I went to middle school without ever going to primary school. I learned English in middle school for the first time.

On LSAC, they asked me "If English is not your native language, when did you begin to learn it?" My only options are "during elementary school" and "during high school." If I started learning English when I was in middle school, which one should I choose? Does middle school mean junior high and thus falls into the "high school" category? I am really confused...

Thank you very much in advance!

Since it's ambiguous, I would interpret it in the way that is more favorable to you, meaning I'd select "elementary school." But the more ethical and conscientious thing to do would be to contact LSAC and ask them. Good luck!

Thanks! Umm I actually meant some schools asked me that. I think I'd just probably send those schools a clarification email later? I am not just very certain of the American definition of "high school" and "elementary school" haha.

Yes, I would just ask those schools. It varies a lot here in the US, there's no one US definition. I have seen all these combos:

K-5 elementary 6-12 high school,
K-8 elementary 9-12 high school
K-5 elementary, 6-9 middle school/junior high, 10-12 high school
K-6 elementary, 7-9 junior high, 10-12 high school
K-5 elementary, 6-8 middle school, 9-12 high school

Etc. There's no real standard.

Thank you so much! Really appreciate it!

[rnoodles]

Were you a fútballer? Did any of your academy mates move on to Serie A, PL, Bund, anything? (Legitimate inquiry.)

Yes I was. And oh no none of those big leagues..I'm not an European anyways..Couple of them still play professionally at China, Japan or Middle East but I doubt they are top-league. One of my friends got a trial in Hamburg if I remember correctly but I don't think he made it..Sorry I disassociated myself from that kind of group a long time ago.

What?! That's pretty badass. I'm from the US, but I had some friends try out the academies here and one try out in Brazil's second league (no idea what it is), then play in the english league (not PL) for a while. He was a pretty good National U-17 player for a while too. Closest to professional football i've come.

It's all good man. Just interested in the actual politics and nature of academies, esp. the european ones.

Oh I am a senior in an American college now. It is very interesting how American sport system (especially collegiate one) works. I was genuinely surprised and I like the fact that most American athletes actually have a good education. Personally I think the academies are doing harm to young players b/c honestly many wont make it and they need education for their future.
And wow! That is really impressive! I wish your friend all the best. I think U.S. has a very good soccer/football foundation! And I really admire American players' stamina and team spirit!

That's pretty sweet man. Wish you the best during the year and when you move on to law school (I'm sure the academies have nothing on law school's grind, fwiw haha). But yeah, the system here is good in that it educates kids, but it's also somewhat flawed for some sports. Maybe not so much for lacrosse (not a big pro league here) or soccer (the jump to anything but MLS is hard, I'd imagine, so why not get a degree while at Duke, UCLA, Creighton, etc.?), but it's pretty bad for football and basketball especially. Kids come in, take up random (or fake) classes, coast 1-3 years, then declare. Some do well, most others bust. So I think the problem's pretty endemic anywhere. It just presents itself differently, you know? BUT signing to like Real at 15 and making 50K+ a week while playing for a top club isn't so bad haha

Thanks man! I think he's moved back to the US now and started playing semi-pro, which is good but not what I think he wanted. Hoping he somehow pulls a Vardy haha

Also, as to your question, sorry for derailing the thread. I think landshoes helped you figure out your question, but in the future if you have a quick question feel free to PM me anytime.

[kangaroo430]

Were you a fútballer? Did any of your academy mates move on to Serie A, PL, Bund, anything? (Legitimate inquiry.)

Yes I was. And oh no none of those big leagues..I'm not an European anyways..Couple of them still play professionally at China, Japan or Middle East but I doubt they are top-league. One of my friends got a trial in Hamburg if I remember correctly but I don't think he made it..Sorry I disassociated myself from that kind of group a long time ago.

What?! That's pretty badass. I'm from the US, but I had some friends try out the academies here and one try out in Brazil's second league (no idea what it is), then play in the english league (not PL) for a while. He was a pretty good National U-17 player for a while too. Closest to professional football i've come.

It's all good man. Just interested in the actual politics and nature of academies, esp. the european ones.

Oh I am a senior in an American college now. It is very interesting how American sport system (especially collegiate one) works. I was genuinely surprised and I like the fact that most American athletes actually have a good education. Personally I think the academies are doing harm to young players b/c honestly many wont make it and they need education for their future.
And wow! That is really impressive! I wish your friend all the best. I think U.S. has a very good soccer/football foundation! And I really admire American players' stamina and team spirit!

That's pretty sweet man. Wish you the best during the year and when you move on to law school (I'm sure the academies have nothing on law school's grind, fwiw haha). But yeah, the system here is good in that it educates kids, but it's also somewhat flawed for some sports. Maybe not so much for lacrosse (not a big pro league here) or soccer (the jump to anything but MLS is hard, I'd imagine, so why not get a degree while at Duke, UCLA, Creighton, etc.?), but it's pretty bad for football and basketball especially. Kids come in, take up random (or fake) classes, coast 1-3 years, then declare. Some do well, most others bust. So I think the problem's pretty endemic anywhere. It just presents itself differently, you know? BUT signing to like Real at 15 and making 50K+ a week while playing for a top club isn't so bad haha

Thanks man! I think he's moved back to the US now and started playing semi-pro, which is good but not what I think he wanted. Hoping he somehow pulls a Vardy haha

Also, as to your question, sorry for derailing the thread. I think landshoes helped you figure out your question, but in the future if you have a quick question feel free to PM me anytime.

Ha thanks! I am all about t14 and biglaw with 160k/yr now(though my lsat is like one point below the medians of many lower t14s, making it a hard task), but back in the days I loved the idea of being a footballer and earn a lot of money and have no respect for anything else lol..For your friend, Id say sometimes it is not necessarily a bad thing to be in the position he didnt want. As much as I like Vardy's inspirational story, theres more to life than the sport you know what I mean?..Better not let it consume your life as it did to many of my ex teammates..

And no it is alright! I am so ready to leave that part of life behind me though..I mean well, not before I write that in my DS. Thanks for your wishes! If you are an applicant for thus cycle, I wish you get into all the schools you want!