Notre Dame C&F Forum

[Billy Madison]

"Have you ever been suspended, dismissed, expelled, or placed on probation for scholastic, disciplinary, or other reasons by any school, college, or university?" - ND C&F section

[rnoodles]

When in doubt, disclose.

[Billy Madison]

When in doubt, disclose.

I guess that's my question, is there any doubt here? I read it as they don't require disclosure unless you received one of the punishments listed, therefore something resulting in less than those specific punishments would not require disclosure. The only thing that would give me pause is the fact that seemingly every other school says "any discipline". Perhaps a call/email to the school is needed, but I thought someone here might be able to offer something helpful based on experience.

[ND2018]

When in doubt, disclose.

I guess that's my question, is there any doubt here? I read it as they don't require disclosure unless you received one of the punishments listed, therefore something resulting in less than those specific punishments would not require disclosure. The only thing that would give me pause is the fact that seemingly every other school says "any discipline". Perhaps a call/email to the school is needed, but I thought someone here might be able to offer something helpful based on experience.

How serious was this educational punishment?

[rnoodles]

When in doubt, disclose.

I guess that's my question, is there any doubt here? I read it as they don't require disclosure unless you received one of the punishments listed, therefore something resulting in less than those specific punishments would not require disclosure. The only thing that would give me pause is the fact that seemingly every other school says "any discipline". Perhaps a call/email to the school is needed, but I thought someone here might be able to offer something helpful based on experience.

Im in the camp that you should disclose anything you think will come back to bite you if you didn't do it in the first place. The fact that you're asking this question at all is why I suggested just mentioning it anyway (the doubt I mentioned is your uncertainty of whether you should disclose or not). If you got nailed for plagiarism, cheating, etc., even if it was a mistake and you worked it out and became BFFs with the prof, still disclose it. Echoing the poster above, consider the severity of what you're thinking about not disclosing. Personally, though, and I'm sure I sound like a broken record here but I think it's important nonetheless, just disclose it so you won't have to deal with it a few years down the line when all you should be caring about is getting your license, a job, and passing the bar.

[Billy Madison]

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[Billy Madison]

When in doubt, disclose.

I guess that's my question, is there any doubt here? I read it as they don't require disclosure unless you received one of the punishments listed, therefore something resulting in less than those specific punishments would not require disclosure. The only thing that would give me pause is the fact that seemingly every other school says "any discipline". Perhaps a call/email to the school is needed, but I thought someone here might be able to offer something helpful based on experience.

Im in the camp that you should disclose anything you think will come back to bite you if you didn't do it in the first place. The fact that you're asking this question at all is why I suggested just mentioning it anyway (the doubt I mentioned is your uncertainty of whether you should disclose or not). If you got nailed for plagiarism, cheating, etc., even if it was a mistake and you worked it out and became BFFs with the prof, still disclose it. Echoing the poster above, consider the severity of what you're thinking about not disclosing. Personally, though, and I'm sure I sound like a broken record here but I think it's important nonetheless, just disclose it so you won't have to deal with it a few years down the line when all you should be caring about is getting your license, a job, and passing the bar.

I don't see how it could come back later if it's not being asked for now. If the bar asked something more in line with the typical "any discipline" thing, I'd disclose. But I see this as similar to one school not caring about speeding tickets when others do. I don't think that means you need to tell the school that doesn't care about the tickets, but if the bar asks later then you tell them. It would just be nice to have one application that contains zero C&F issues, especially with a lackluster GPA.

[rnoodles]

When in doubt, disclose.

I guess that's my question, is there any doubt here? I read it as they don't require disclosure unless you received one of the punishments listed, therefore something resulting in less than those specific punishments would not require disclosure. The only thing that would give me pause is the fact that seemingly every other school says "any discipline". Perhaps a call/email to the school is needed, but I thought someone here might be able to offer something helpful based on experience.

Im in the camp that you should disclose anything you think will come back to bite you if you didn't do it in the first place. The fact that you're asking this question at all is why I suggested just mentioning it anyway (the doubt I mentioned is your uncertainty of whether you should disclose or not). If you got nailed for plagiarism, cheating, etc., even if it was a mistake and you worked it out and became BFFs with the prof, still disclose it. Echoing the poster above, consider the severity of what you're thinking about not disclosing. Personally, though, and I'm sure I sound like a broken record here but I think it's important nonetheless, just disclose it so you won't have to deal with it a few years down the line when all you should be caring about is getting your license, a job, and passing the bar.

I don't see how it could come back later if it's not being asked for now. If the bar asked something more in line with the typical "any discipline" thing, I'd disclose. But I see this as similar to one school not caring about speeding tickets when others do. I don't think that means you need to tell the school that doesn't care about the tickets, but if the bar asks later then you tell them. It would just be nice to have one application that contains zero C&F issues, especially with a lackluster GPA.

I might be wrong, but I think if you disclose something on the Bar app that you didn't on your law school app, then that's what will come back to haunt you.

Maybe someone else can chime in with advice?

[Sweetneers]

Call ND's admissions office, and explain the situation without using your name?

[rnoodles]

Call ND's admissions office, and explain the situation without using your name?

Might be too paranoid here, but if you do this don't use your numbers you included on your app when you call. If they feel like it, they can just take down your number and find your app later even if you don't give them any personal info.

[Billy Madison]

When in doubt, disclose.

I guess that's my question, is there any doubt here? I read it as they don't require disclosure unless you received one of the punishments listed, therefore something resulting in less than those specific punishments would not require disclosure. The only thing that would give me pause is the fact that seemingly every other school says "any discipline". Perhaps a call/email to the school is needed, but I thought someone here might be able to offer something helpful based on experience.

Im in the camp that you should disclose anything you think will come back to bite you if you didn't do it in the first place. The fact that you're asking this question at all is why I suggested just mentioning it anyway (the doubt I mentioned is your uncertainty of whether you should disclose or not). If you got nailed for plagiarism, cheating, etc., even if it was a mistake and you worked it out and became BFFs with the prof, still disclose it. Echoing the poster above, consider the severity of what you're thinking about not disclosing. Personally, though, and I'm sure I sound like a broken record here but I think it's important nonetheless, just disclose it so you won't have to deal with it a few years down the line when all you should be caring about is getting your license, a job, and passing the bar.

I don't see how it could come back later if it's not being asked for now. If the bar asked something more in line with the typical "any discipline" thing, I'd disclose. But I see this as similar to one school not caring about speeding tickets when others do. I don't think that means you need to tell the school that doesn't care about the tickets, but if the bar asks later then you tell them. It would just be nice to have one application that contains zero C&F issues, especially with a lackluster GPA.

I might be wrong, but I think if you disclose something on the Bar app that you didn't on your law school app, then that's what will come back to haunt you.

Maybe someone else can chime in with advice?

My understanding is that this is only an issue with things the law school requires you to disclose. The bar can't hold against you the fact that you didn't answer a question that you were never asked. I'm going to post this in the pros thread and see what they say.

[rnoodles]

When in doubt, disclose.

I guess that's my question, is there any doubt here? I read it as they don't require disclosure unless you received one of the punishments listed, therefore something resulting in less than those specific punishments would not require disclosure. The only thing that would give me pause is the fact that seemingly every other school says "any discipline". Perhaps a call/email to the school is needed, but I thought someone here might be able to offer something helpful based on experience.

Im in the camp that you should disclose anything you think will come back to bite you if you didn't do it in the first place. The fact that you're asking this question at all is why I suggested just mentioning it anyway (the doubt I mentioned is your uncertainty of whether you should disclose or not). If you got nailed for plagiarism, cheating, etc., even if it was a mistake and you worked it out and became BFFs with the prof, still disclose it. Echoing the poster above, consider the severity of what you're thinking about not disclosing. Personally, though, and I'm sure I sound like a broken record here but I think it's important nonetheless, just disclose it so you won't have to deal with it a few years down the line when all you should be caring about is getting your license, a job, and passing the bar.

I don't see how it could come back later if it's not being asked for now. If the bar asked something more in line with the typical "any discipline" thing, I'd disclose. But I see this as similar to one school not caring about speeding tickets when others do. I don't think that means you need to tell the school that doesn't care about the tickets, but if the bar asks later then you tell them. It would just be nice to have one application that contains zero C&F issues, especially with a lackluster GPA.

I might be wrong, but I think if you disclose something on the Bar app that you didn't on your law school app, then that's what will come back to haunt you.

Maybe someone else can chime in with advice?

My understanding is that this is only an issue with things the law school requires you to disclose. The bar can't hold against you the fact that you didn't answer a question that you were never asked. I'm going to post this in the pros thread and see what they say.

Maybe they'll say something different, but my law school brought in a Bar official who basically told us even dorm noise complaints that aren't disclosed are problematic. I don't know. Just better safe than sorry I guess, but I could be overly cautious too haha

In any event, best of luck, OP!