CLASS OF 2018 MEDIANS! (LSAT/GPA/Class Size) Forum

Tiago Splitter · Post by **Tiago Splitter** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:00 pm

sox49 wrote:I hear ya but why would they decide from the get go to give up a chance at increasing their median? Especially considering june numbers point to an app increase

It'd be more of a "We're not catching Columbia on LSAT anyway, so why not shoot for a bigger GPA even if it means the same LSAT?" Remember everyone ranked below NYU is also at 169 or worse.

None of this is to say splitters are worse off than they were at NYU. At this point it's clear NYU has decided a smaller class size just isn't in the cards, so they'll always be hustling to add more high LSAT students to keep that median in line with a number of other T-14s. If it makes you feel better, think about a 170 LSAT of 5 years ago the way you'd think about a 168/169 (call it a 168.5) today.

sox49 · Post by **sox49** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:04 pm

Gotcha. I'm hoping for a decent cycle for splitters

Brentwood · Post by **Brentwood** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:14 pm

Talking about 25/50/75th has raised an interesting question in my mind. To what extent do schools view LSAT scores as an USWN/prestige gimmick versus an affirmative sign of some desirable skill set? All things being equal, does the applicant who clears the target 75th by four points really have much of an advantage over the applicant who beats it by one point?

chuckbass · Post by **chuckbass** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:16 pm

Brentwood wrote:Talking about 25/50/75th has raised an interesting question in my mind. To what extent do schools view LSAT scores as an USWN/prestige gimmick versus an affirmative sign of some desirable skill set? All things being equal, does the applicant who clears the target 75th by four points really have much of an advantage over the applicant who beats it by one point?

No, especially if that other applicant is then above another percentile that this applicant is not.

Gray · Post by **Gray** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:35 pm

lawadmin · Post by **lawadmin** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:45 pm

TEXAS A&M 149
http://today.tamu.edu/2015/09/03/law-sc ... s-of-2018/

It’s the start of the 2015-16 academic year, and the hallways of Texas A&M University School of Law are abuzz with the contagious energy of 139 newly minted Aggie Law students.

139 (-53)

LurkerShirker · Post by **LurkerShirker** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:03 pm

Wow, Texas A&M just hired 11 new faculty members https://law.tamu.edu/media/news-media-r ... m-members- going down 53 students does not sound like they were planning for this.

Huskies13! · Post by **Huskies13!** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:52 am

Loyola (Chicago)
http://www.luc.edu/law/admission/enteri ... stats.html
206 (-15)
No medians...
155/160 (25/75) (last year 155/159)
3.07/3.34 (25/75) (last year 3.05/3.52)

Last year's LSAT median was 157 ..seems like they held or maybe we up)...but that GPA..the median last year was 3.3...that must have dropped.

Billy Madison · Post by **Billy Madison** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:00 am

Huskies13! wrote:Loyola (Chicago)
http://www.luc.edu/law/admission/enteri ... stats.html
206 (-15)
No medians...
155/160 (25/75) (last year 155/159)
3.07/3.34 (25/75) (last year 3.05/3.52)

Last year's LSAT median was 157 ..seems like they held or maybe we up)...but that GPA..the median last year was 3.3...that must have dropped.

Anyone know what the reputation of Loyola is within the Chicago market? My dad was represented by a guy who went there and has a firm that seems pretty successful, but I question how well received Loyola could be with two t14 schools in town.

zhenders · Post by **zhenders** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:12 am

As I understand things after living here and speaking with attorneys et al., Reputationally you have UofC/NU, then Kent, then Loyola, then DePaul, then pretty far down the road past DePaul, John Marshall.

Chicagoans, does that sound about right?

Billy Madison · Post by **Billy Madison** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:35 am

zhenders wrote:As I understand things after living here and speaking with attorneys et al., Reputationally you have UofC/NU, then Kent, then Loyola, then DePaul, then pretty far down the road past DePaul, John Marshall.

Chicagoans, does that sound about right?

Forgot about Kent. That would follow the rankings.

chicharon · Post by **chicharon** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:40 am

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isuperserial · Post by **isuperserial** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:21 pm

zhenders wrote:As I understand things after living here and speaking with attorneys et al., Reputationally you have UofC/NU, then Kent, then Loyola, then DePaul, then pretty far down the road past DePaul, John Marshall.

Chicagoans, does that sound about right?

Maybe if we're just talking about schools that are physically in the city and not ones that have a strong presence in the Chicago market. Big schools left out are Michigan, Notre Dame and UIUC.

ShouldIGoToLawSchool · Post by **ShouldIGoToLawSchool** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 1:37 pm

General question: since schools across the T14 (at least from NYU down) have been having a small but consistent dip in LSAT scores the last few years but not in GPA, does that likely mean that the school has started caring more about GPA vis-à-vis LSAT, meaning bad news for splitters, or does it meant that the school will now be more desperate for higher LSAT scores. and be more generous overall for splitters.

kingpin101 · Post by **kingpin101** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 1:55 pm

ShouldIGoToLawSchool wrote:General question: since schools across the T14 (at least from NYU down) have been having a small but consistent dip in LSAT scores the last few years but not in GPA, does that likely mean that the school has started caring more about GPA vis-à-vis LSAT, meaning bad news for splitters, or does it meant that the school will now be more desperate for higher LSAT scores. and be more generous overall for splitters.

You have to keep in mind that there have been large disproportionate decreases in high LSAT scores, while GPA's remain high thanks to grade inflation.

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:58 pm

kingpin101 wrote:
ShouldIGoToLawSchool wrote:General question: since schools across the T14 (at least from NYU down) have been having a small but consistent dip in LSAT scores the last few years but not in GPA, does that likely mean that the school has started caring more about GPA vis-à-vis LSAT, meaning bad news for splitters, or does it meant that the school will now be more desperate for higher LSAT scores. and be more generous overall for splitters.
You have to keep in mind that there have been large disproportionate decreases in high LSAT scores, while GPA's remain high thanks to grade inflation.

Plus there are always way more reverse splitters than splitters, so strong LSATs are still in high demand.

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Huskies13! · Post by **Huskies13!** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 7:12 pm

Odd announcement...but..
Idaho:
http://www.pullmanradio.com/enrollment- ... nal-trend/
105 (-8)
LSAT (no announcement)
GPA: 3.18 (+.03)

Not sure this "Bucks a trend"!

Huskies13! · Post by **Huskies13!** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 7:31 pm

LSU:
https://www.law.lsu.edu/admissions/faq/
172 (-28)
155 (0)
3.48 (+.25)(!)

Mack.Hambleton · Post by **Mack.Hambleton** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 7:48 pm

chicharon wrote:
zhenders wrote:As I understand things after living here and speaking with attorneys et al., Reputationally you have UofC/NU, then Kent, then Loyola, then DePaul, then pretty far down the road past DePaul, John Marshall.

Chicagoans, does that sound about right?
Interested in the answer to this

UChicago/Northwestern then UIUC/ND then don't go

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:13 pm

Huskies13! wrote:Odd announcement...but..
Idaho:
http://www.pullmanradio.com/enrollment- ... nal-trend/
105 (-8)
LSAT (no announcement)
GPA: 3.18 (+.03)
Not sure this "Bucks a trend"!

Idaho roolz.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:24 pm

chicharon wrote:
zhenders wrote:As I understand things after living here and speaking with attorneys et al., Reputationally you have UofC/NU, then Kent, then Loyola, then DePaul, then pretty far down the road past DePaul, John Marshall.

Chicagoans, does that sound about right?
Interested in the answer to this

Yeah. I'd put Loyola and Kent as interchangeable but yeah.

JCougar · Post by **JCougar** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 2:03 pm

zhenders wrote:As I understand things after living here and speaking with attorneys et al., Reputationally you have UofC/NU, then Kent, then Loyola, then DePaul, then pretty far down the road past DePaul, John Marshall.

Chicagoans, does that sound about right?

Job-wise in Chicago, it's UofC, NU, then bust. I wouldn't go to any school below NU if your plan was to work in Chicago. Even if you get a full scholarship somewhere else, it's going to be a waste of time.

lawadmin · Post by **lawadmin** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:29 pm

Didn't see this up:

South Carolina 94
http://law.sc.edu/admissions/2015-enter ... rofile.pdf

152/154 (-1)/157
3.00 (+.05)/3.30 (+.07)/3.56 (+.02)

202 (-11)