CLASS OF 2018 MEDIANS! (LSAT/GPA/Class Size) Forum

[TheProdigal]

Widener Law (DE)
Full-time
LSAT: 147, 149, 152
GPA: 2.75, 3.19, 3.49
Size: 122

Part-time
LSAT: 147, 148, 151
GPA: 2.58, 2.94, 3.43
Size: 33

Previously posted in bits and pieces..

[TheProdigal]

Northern Illinois
LSAT: 145 (-1), 148 (+2), 151 (-2)
GPA: 2.77 (-0.06), 3.05 (-0.04), 3.41 (+0.04)
Size: 85 (+1)

[TheProdigal]

La Verne
LSAT: 144 (0), 147 (0), 150 (-1)
GPA: 2.65 (+0.09), 2.91 (+0.03), 3.21 (+0.11)
Size: 95 (66 FT/29 PT) (+41)

Pretty impressive enrollment bump while largely holding their medians.

[TheProdigal]

Memphis
LSAT: 149 (-1), 152 (-1), 156 (-1)
GPA: 2.89 (+0.02), 3.20 (-0.07), 3.41 (-0.10)
Size: 116 (-2)

[TheProdigal]

San Francisco
LSAT: 149 (-2), 152 (-1), 154 (-2)
GPA: 2.84 (-0.10), 3.12 (-0.07), 3.37 (-0.03)
Size: 205 (178 FT/27 PT) (+33)

[TheProdigal]

Loyola University New Orleans
LSAT: 147 (-3), 151 (-2), 154 (-3)
GPA: 2.87 (+0.03), 3.15 (0), 3.52 (+0.05)
Size: 153 (+14)

[eagle2a]

TTT's increasing class sizes is depressing. You really can't fix stupid

[JCougar]

TTT's increasing class sizes is depressing. You really can't fix stupid

There is a bright side to this, though, as long as their medians are also dropping. If enough of the third tier did this, it would push the fourth tier out of business. And while that may seem like plugging one leak while creating another, I think things will be better down the road simply with less law schools.

[TheProdigal]

Drexel (Mack)
LSAT:153 (+2), 155 (+1), 158 (+2)
GPA: 3.00 (-0.05), 3.31 (+0.03), 3.57 (+0.08)
Size: 126 (-3)

[haus]

Drexel (Mack)
LSAT:153 (+2), 155 (+1), 158 (+2)
GPA: 3.00 (-0.05), 3.31 (+0.03), 3.57 (+0.08)
Size: 126 (-3)

Increasing scores across the range while keeping their class size just about the same, not many others seem to have accomplished this.

[TheProdigal]

Idaho
LSAT: 147 (0), 152 (+1),155 (+1)
GPA: 2.94 (+0.19), 3.18 (+0.03), 3.44 (-0.06)
Size: 105 (-8)

Size and 50ths already entered.

[nlee10]

Idaho
LSAT: 147 (0), 152 (+1),155 (+1)
GPA: 2.94 (+0.19), 3.18 (+0.03), 3.44 (-0.06)
Size: 105 (-8)

Size and 50ths already entered.

You're on a roll Prodigal.

[TheProdigal]

Montana
LSAT: 149 (-2), 153 (-1), 155 (-3)
GPA: 3.06 (0), 3.38 (0), 3.63 (+0.07)
Size: 71 (-12)

You're on a roll Prodigal.

King of the TTT mines.

I get the need for and utility of some of these schools, like Montana (11k/year isn't a bad deal). But there's schools who still have the entering class of 2013 profile front and center on their sites.

[TheProdigal]

Seattle
LSAT: 151 (0), 154 (0), 157 (0)
GPA: 3.00 (-0.06), 3.26 (-0.03), 3.52 (+0.03)
Size: 210 (-46)

[cannibal ox]

TheProdigal for president.

whitespider for VP

[Outis Onoma]

Seattle
LSAT: 151 (0), 154 (0), 157 (0)
GPA: 3.00 (-0.06), 3.26 (-0.03), 3.52 (+0.03)
Size: 210 (-46)

Those medians are pretty good considering they have Cooley level employment stats.

http://www.law.seattleu.edu/Documents/c ... ummary.pdf

[Fiddlesticks]

There are quite a few numbers reported that haven't been plugged into the spreadsheet. BU and BC for example

[Lawdork]

There are quite a few numbers reported that haven't been plugged into the spreadsheet. BU and BC for example

Yea whoever is on spread sheet duty, you better get your shit together.

[comet_halley]

Widener Law (DE)
Full-time
LSAT: 147, 149, 152
GPA: 2.75, 3.19, 3.49
Size: 122

Part-time
LSAT: 147, 148, 151
GPA: 2.58, 2.94, 3.43
Size: 33

Previously posted in bits and pieces..

ABA should mandate law schools to decrease their class sizes for at least 10% off if one of following conditions appear:

1) LSAT Median less than 150
2) Bar pass rate less than 50%
3) Employment rate less than 50%

After 3 years, if the schools still could not improve their data, ABA should revoke accreditation of those law schools

[KPUSN07]

GW:
http://www.law.gwu.edu/Admissions/JD/Pages/Profile.aspx
473 (-67?)
165 (0)
3.71 (0)

Would be curious on their 25/75% LSAT scores

[emkay625]

Widener Law (DE)
Full-time
LSAT: 147, 149, 152
GPA: 2.75, 3.19, 3.49
Size: 122

Part-time
LSAT: 147, 148, 151
GPA: 2.58, 2.94, 3.43
Size: 33

Previously posted in bits and pieces..

ABA should mandate law schools to decrease their class sizes for at least 10% off if one of following conditions appear:

1) LSAT Median less than 150
2) Bar pass rate less than 50%
3) Employment rate less than 50%

After 3 years, if the schools still could not improve their data, ABA should revoke accreditation of those law schools

I disagree with the LSAT median. If a school has a median of 149, but then somehow gets like 95% of graduates to pass the bar and 90% employment (actual employment, not school temp jobs), why should we make them stop? This scenario is of course unlikely to happen, but still—schools should be outcome focused (bar passage and employment rate), not input focused.

[eagle2a]

TTT's increasing class sizes is depressing. You really can't fix stupid

There is a bright side to this, though, as long as their medians are also dropping. If enough of the third tier did this, it would push the fourth tier out of business. And while that may seem like plugging one leak while creating another, I think things will be better down the road simply with less law schools.

Lets hope so

[Lawdork]

GW:
http://www.law.gwu.edu/Admissions/JD/Pages/Profile.aspx
473 (-67?)
165 (0)
3.71 (0)

Would be curious on their 25/75% LSAT scores

It's probably like 150/166 rather than 163/170 (not literally). If schools leave data out, it's almost certainly unfavorable.

[AT9]

Widener Law (DE)
Full-time
LSAT: 147, 149, 152
GPA: 2.75, 3.19, 3.49
Size: 122

Part-time
LSAT: 147, 148, 151
GPA: 2.58, 2.94, 3.43
Size: 33

Previously posted in bits and pieces..

ABA should mandate law schools to decrease their class sizes for at least 10% off if one of following conditions appear:

1) LSAT Median less than 150
2) Bar pass rate less than 50%
3) Employment rate less than 50%

After 3 years, if the schools still could not improve their data, ABA should revoke accreditation of those law schools

I disagree with the LSAT median. If a school has a median of 149, but then somehow gets like 95% of graduates to pass the bar and 90% employment (actual employment, not school temp jobs), why should we make them stop? This scenario is of course unlikely to happen, but still—schools should be outcome focused (bar passage and employment rate), not input focused.

That very scenario isn't so different form lone schools in smaller states like South Dakota, with a 148 median LSAT but 66.7% LST score (and very few school funded jobs). No need to penalize schools like USD, UND, etc. that serve their state's legal needs with some integrity as to the amount of tuition they charge.

I'd be good with those proposals if there were an exception for schools like USD, UND, Idaho, Montana, etc. Though the mandatory reduction probably isn't necessary - a threat of no accreditation would be enough.

[thereelfeels]

Widener Law (DE)
Full-time
LSAT: 147, 149, 152
GPA: 2.75, 3.19, 3.49
Size: 122

Part-time
LSAT: 147, 148, 151
GPA: 2.58, 2.94, 3.43
Size: 33

Previously posted in bits and pieces..

ABA should mandate law schools to decrease their class sizes for at least 10% off if one of following conditions appear:

1) LSAT Median less than 150
2) Bar pass rate less than 50%
3) Employment rate less than 50%

After 3 years, if the schools still could not improve their data, ABA should revoke accreditation of those law schools

I disagree with the LSAT median. If a school has a median of 149, but then somehow gets like 95% of graduates to pass the bar and 90% employment (actual employment, not school temp jobs), why should we make them stop? This scenario is of course unlikely to happen, but still—schools should be outcome focused (bar passage and employment rate), not input focused.

That very scenario isn't so different form lone schools in smaller states like South Dakota, with a 148 median LSAT but 66.7% LST score (and very few school funded jobs). No need to penalize schools like USD, UND, etc. that serve their state's legal needs with some integrity as to the amount of tuition they charge.

I'd be good with those proposals if there were an exception for schools like USD, UND, Idaho, Montana, etc. Though the mandatory reduction probably isn't necessary - a threat of no accreditation would be enough.

I would think that an exception for schools which are the only schools in their state would cover all the schools you're talking about - WVU, too.