ED and applying to Canadian law schools Forum

[WeeBey]

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[P.J.Fry]

Is it possible to ED get accepted and not go to school in US? Couldn't I just say f it and go to school in Canada? because I'm not decided between Canada and the US but NU 150K would be amazing.

Looked into the same thing myself for the exact same reason. The answer is no. If you get accepted ED, you may not attend any other law school - the country is irrelevant.

[WeeBey]

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[P.J.Fry]

How would they know? I heard that they call other top schools, but I doubt they would call canadian schools. Also, I read that they can sometimes allow you to get out of a ED if you have a good reason. So what if I have visa issues?

Is that something you're willing to risk your career as a lawyer on?

[Gray]

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[P.J.Fry]

I think there are only rare cases when it makes sense to apply to both Canadian and US schools - what are your long term career goals and how could they be reached with both Canadian and US law schools?

Can't speak for OP, but I don't think its that rare. All it really requires is that geographical area of practice isn't a prime consideration or that one is just open to many markets.

For instance, I would be interested in practicing in Vancouver, Toronto, NYC, Houston, California, and the Cayman Islands just to name a few that come to mind initially. There are many more that I would likely consider given the right opportunity. I will be applying to both the best Canadian and the best US schools that will leave these options open, and will make further consideration once offers are made and I can adequately compare with more detailed financial information.

[earthabides]

I think there are only rare cases when it makes sense to apply to both Canadian and US schools - what are your long term career goals and how could they be reached with both Canadian and US law schools?

Can't speak for OP, but I don't think its that rare. All it really requires is that geographical area of practice isn't a prime consideration or that one is just open to many markets.

For instance, I would be interested in practicing in Vancouver, Toronto, NYC, Houston, California, and the Cayman Islands just to name a few that come to mind initially. There are many more that I would likely consider given the right opportunity. I will be applying to both the best Canadian and the best US schools that will leave these options open, and will make further consideration once offers are made and I can adequately compare with more detailed financial information.

Same situation here.

[WeeBey]

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[earthabides]

"Responding to the request of some peer law schools, Columbia will provide these schools with the names of all applicants accepted to Columbia under our binding Early Decision Plan."

This is from Columbia's ED Contract. It seems like the way they do it is just by letting other peers know (e.i. other t14s)

And why I would want to apply to both?

Canadian schools are cheaper 12-20k probably 80-90k at graduation a year excluding UofT, but the pay is alot less. If Im working biglaw hours I want a 160k not 75k. So from a cost-benefit perspective it makes sense with a decent scholly. And Im gonna try my luck with the URM thing, without it i would be paying sticker at a lower t14, with it, id get $$ at a t6 and probably atleast one full ride t14.

And as a Canadian avoiding a cosigner, its basically HYS/T14-full ride or bust, so thats why im thinking NU

I may be wrong but I think that you only qualify as a URM if you are an American citizen.

[P.J.Fry]

"Responding to the request of some peer law schools, Columbia will provide these schools with the names of all applicants accepted to Columbia under our binding Early Decision Plan."

This is from Columbia's ED Contract. It seems like the way they do it is just by letting other peers know (e.i. other t14s)

I don't know what the actual probability of U of T or another Canadian school finding out you were admitted to NU under a binding ED is. I do know that ED is a binding legal contract, and by attending U of T after that acceptance is breaking that contract. For someone who is looking to get into the field of practicing law, I can't imagine C&F investigators at the Bar would look favorably on it were they to somehow come across that information. The potential of ruining any chance at a career in law after having spent tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars on legal education doesn't seem like a very good idea.

[Gray]

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[WeeBey]

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[WeeBey]

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[Gray]

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[twenty]

The better question is why would you remotely consider EDing to Columbia? Especially to Columbia instead of NYU or Chicago, where you might actually get an admissions boost, and even more especially as an international student that can't get anything other than private loans, and e-whatinthehighestfuckinghell-specially as a URM with an outside shot at Harvard.

[WeeBey]

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[blueberrycrumble]

You'd rather live in DC than Toronto? Eww
Toronto is probably the best city in North America after NY and LA.

I can see how schools would not want you to ED and then go to a peer school in the T14, but why would they do that to an international student? I can't see a school not letting you out of a ED contract if your unable to study in the states, or if you actually can't get any loans and its impossible for you to attend any school in the US, but your able to attend a Canadian school for gov't loans. Remember their people too.

WHOA. so disagree here. how is Toronto the best city after NY and LA? Uh, see here. One of the most naturally beautiful cities in the world.

[WeeBey]

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[WeeBey]

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[blueberrycrumble]

that view though... that fresh air... I just cough when I go to Toronto (does this mean NYC is not the right choice for me? haha)

where ever I end up though, gonna miss those hiking weekends

[Gray]

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[P.J.Fry]

I've lived and worked in both Toronto and Vancouver. It's funny when I compare the two, I use those two exact arguments. I always say that Vancouver is way more beautiful, nicer weather, beaches, ocean, mountains etc.. Toronto is a heck of a lot more fun.

The COL for both cities are so close to the same (and neither as high as NYC) that the difference is nearly negligible. Bay St. firms definitely pay better, but the discrepancy for first year associates isn't THAT big. It's something like 87-92K for 1st year of call for Van and 95-100K for TO. It's nothing like the difference between Canada and NYC BigLaw at 160K. That being said, it's much easier to make partner in Canadian firms if that is a goal, and I understand billable targets typically aren't as high either.

Pros and Cons to all the markets, which is why I would like as much information as possible before deciding exactly where I want to practice.

[WeeBey]

Guys. Montreal. Cheap, fun, and always something interesting to do.

isnt the job market pretty crappy in MTL?

[WeeBey]

I've lived and worked in both Toronto and Vancouver. It's funny when I compare the two, I use those two exact arguments. I always say that Vancouver is way more beautiful, nicer weather, beaches, ocean, mountains etc.. Toronto is a heck of a lot more fun.

The COL for both cities are so close to the same (and neither as high as NYC) that the difference is nearly negligible. Bay St. firms definitely pay better, but the discrepancy for first year associates isn't THAT big. It's something like 87-92K for 1st year of call for Van and 95-100K for TO. It's nothing like the difference between Canada and NYC BigLaw at 160K. That being said, it's much easier to make partner in Canadian firms if that is a goal, and I understand billable targets typically aren't as high either.

Pros and Cons to all the markets, which is why I would like as much information as possible before deciding exactly where I want to practice.