Serious advice needed Forum

[Bubbles1012]

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[Hand]

most schools explicitly require that you mention all arrests including whatever is expunged

this makes good stuff for a PS, berkeley will love you

[McAvoy]

I would say to talk to a professional ethics attorney in real life, ideally in the jurisdiction you wish to practice in. You always want to err on the side of disclosing, but it seems you have legit reason (from a few perspectives) not to. I'd get formal advice about it either way.

[reasonable person]

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[zoomzoom88]

Fwiw I'm very impressed with you.

[patogordo]

Was Bubbles your CI code name?

[03152016]

disclose and explain
be truthful and direct
show maturity, don't make excuses

best of luck to you

[Mal Reynolds]

Was Bubbles your CI code name?

Welcome back, McNutty.

[cron1834]

On the off-chance that this isn't a flame: best part is the complaint that the police report for a prostitution bust made her sound "like a whore." 180.

[sparty99]

When I was in undergrad I worked briefly as an escort and oneday walked into a sting operation. Since I wasn't your average drug addled call girl the police and FBI who were involved in the sting decided to essentially let me off the hook if I promised to help them in future sting operations aimed at finding underage and trafficked girls. This was obviously a no brainier, and I agreed to help. All charges against me were dropped, on the disposition it say no lo proseque. I also have no record on the state level (just went into the state police today to check under my right to review), and no FBI record. There is, however, a police report I can have expunged as well as the court record that says no lo proseque. Now fast forward four years and I have moved on with my life and would like to apply to law schools. I got a 169 on my lsat and have a great GPA, an interesting work history, and a great personal statement. I would like to disclose the incident and know that the stigma sex workers often face won't be held against me since all charges were dropped and I don't even have an official arrest record but I know there's no guarantee of that. Additionally, the police report is just dripping with sexist language that makes me look really bad, like a whore in the worst sense and does not portray what the encounter was actually like. I know you should always err on the side of disclosing but this isn't marijuana or a dwi. I never lived in the small city I was cited in or in the city's county. What are the actual chances of character and fitness finding an obscure and old police report? Is it worth disclosing knowing that if I do I will have to provide the awful police report which misrepresents so fully what happened and makes me look so bad? For example, police report says I explicitly mentioned oral sex, which I didn't. I believe I am also entitled to have the disposition expunged. The police report and disposition are the only records that exist.

What do you guys think? Disclose and explain? Don't disclose. Any insight would be appreciated.

And please don't pass judgment and call me names or tell me I am not fit to practice law. I have never had any encounter with the law otherwise, don't drink and drive, or use drugs and am generally a very kind and helpful person.

flame...get a life.

[MarkfromWI]

disclose and explain
be truthful and direct
show maturity, don't make excuses

best of luck to you

+1

And at least as far as I know, most schools don't care about getting a copy of the actual police report. Basically a simple "I did X cited for violating Y statute and had to do Z number of community service hours" should do it.

[BigZuck]

Definitely retake

You have a great GPA, it would be a shame to settle for a 169 when you have retakes available.

[B.B. Homemaker]

Fwiw I'm very impressed with you.

As am I. I wish the world were such that people who found themselves in situations like yours could be open and honest about it and that others' reactions would be more along the lines of mine, i.e. that I respect you all the more for pulling yourself through a difficult situation and still getting to where you are today. You're worth more than a hundred of the silver-spoon types you'll likely get to know once you start school.

That said, if you can make sure everything is expunged, do that and don't mention it going forward. We're not there yet, so do your best to play by their rules.

[BigZuck]

I got a 169 on my lsat and have a great GPA, an interesting work history, and a great personal statement.

This line was criminally under appreciated IMO

Are we really supposed to treat this like its real? The Bubbles and 169 thing lead me to believe its not (well that and the content of it I guess).

If its real then I can't see why you would consult TLS but not the state bar of the state you're planning on practicing in.

[03152016]

lol i didn't notice that
idk, i'm sure the advice itt will help somebody out at some point

[B.B. Homemaker]

I got a 169 on my lsat and have a great GPA, an interesting work history, and a great personal statement.

This line was criminally under appreciated IMO

Are we really supposed to treat this like its real? The Bubbles and 169 thing lead me to believe its not (well that and the content of it I guess).

If its real then I can't see why you would consult TLS but not the state bar of the state you're planning on practicing in.

You always were my favorite when I woke up in opposite world, which was never.

[BigZuck]

I got a 169 on my lsat and have a great GPA, an interesting work history, and a great personal statement.

This line was criminally under appreciated IMO

Are we really supposed to treat this like its real? The Bubbles and 169 thing lead me to believe its not (well that and the content of it I guess).

If its real then I can't see why you would consult TLS but not the state bar of the state you're planning on practicing in.

You always were my favorite when I woke up in opposite world.

You keep editing your posts dude, I'm not sure which version to quote.

Was just kind of strange to me, like this person knew all about disclosing for the sake of character and fitness but thought it better to consult the hivemind than actual attorneys. And it's Friday night, thought maybe someone was having some trolly fun.

Anyway:

lol i didn't notice that
idk, i'm sure the advice itt will help somebody out at some point

True, true. I think treating it like it's real in case it can help someone else or on the off chance it actually is is a good policy in general.

[Bubbles1012]

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[Bubbles1012]

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[FKASunny]

Nothing good is going to come from consulting TLS on this issue. Delete your post and go talk to a real authority on the issue.

I wish I could say disclosure is a no-brainer, because the last thing you want to pile on the insecurity of going to law school is a potential C&F bomb waiting at the end of 3L, but in this case I don't think it is a slam dunk "disclose, duh." Good luck, and I really hope this doesn't affect your life going forward.

[patogordo]

Well that's disappointing. Bubbles is a great code name for a callgirl. "Blowin' Bubbles"

[BigZuck]

So guys for the record--
Not a troll. This is real. I have another Tls name, the bubbles thing was just to conceal my identity close to 100%, a completely random pick. I e-mailed a few attorneys today to arrange appointments but I wanted to get some advice because I am aware that sometimes people with insight can be found on these boards.

Since I was never booked or fingerprinted wanted to know if it was something that would be worth disclosing... Too much mosogyny and stigma out there to be glib.

I'm confident this isn't 100% misogyny's fault

Since you're real, the only possible advice is consult an attorney. This is really serious, even if there was a consensus here on what exactly you should do you shouldn't trust it because these people aren't practicing attorneys for the most part (they're mostly law students) and the price for them (and you) being wrong is very high.

[Skool]

Fwiw I'm very impressed with you.

As am I. I wish the world were such that people who found themselves in situations like yours could be open and honest about it and that others' reactions would be more along the lines of mine, i.e. that I respect you all the more for pulling yourself through a difficult situation and still getting to where you are today. You're worth more than a hundred of the silver-spoon types you'll likely get to know once you start school.

That said, if you can make sure everything is expunged, do that and don't mention it going forward. We're not there yet, so do your best to play by their rules.

Hear hear.

[jbagelboy]

Problem with disclosing is that if you decide you want to work in the private sector and they access your C&F records, top firms won't look twice. Yes it's an unfair stigma, and no I don't think it will change any time soon due to the natural conservatism of the profession and the industries it services. But dealing with the consequences of your actions is part of life.

I doubt it will matter for much in public interest

[03152016]

is that common practice?