what rankings system is most worth looking at? Forum

CaliKid14 · Post by **CaliKid14** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:44 am

ATL? Tipping the Scales? Does LST just have statistics on the schools or do they actually have a list? I know UNSWR are useless.
Are there any others that I am not aware of?

shifty_eyed · Post by **shifty_eyed** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:05 am

The most highly regarded rankings on TLS afaik:
http://www.cooley.edu/rankings/_docs/Ju ... d_2010.pdf

Each of the 40 factors in the rankings is given equal weight (2.5% each), which reduces the impact of any single factor on the overall rankings.

03152016 · Post by **03152016** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:06 am

http://tippingthescales.com/2013/10/our ... schools/3/
LOLOLOLOLOL

El Pollito · Post by **El Pollito** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:07 am

The dessert fox rankings.

03152016 · Post by **03152016** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:27 am

shifty_eyed wrote:The most highly regarded rankings on TLS afaik:
http://www.cooley.edu/rankings/_docs/Ju ... d_2010.pdf

Each of the 40 factors in the rankings is given equal weight (2.5% each), which reduces the impact of any single factor on the overall rankings.

Love how they allow HLS to rank first. Even the most clueless 0L doesn't believe Cooley is a better school than Harvard.

Overall, a lot of the most egregious stuff in their rankings is probably completely plausible to a layman. American 19 spots ahead of Stanford? UMiami 17 ahead of Duke? If you told me that two and a half years ago I wouldn't have batted an eye.

Tom Joad · Post by **Tom Joad** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:28 am

HYS

TTT

El Pollito · Post by **El Pollito** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:31 am

H is not with YS.

shifty_eyed · Post by **shifty_eyed** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:31 am

Max324 wrote:
shifty_eyed wrote:The most highly regarded rankings on TLS afaik:
http://www.cooley.edu/rankings/_docs/Ju ... d_2010.pdf

Each of the 40 factors in the rankings is given equal weight (2.5% each), which reduces the impact of any single factor on the overall rankings.
Love how they allow HLS to rank first. Even the most clueless 0L doesn't believe Cooley is a better school than Harvard.

Overall, a lot of the most egregious stuff in their rankings is probably completely plausible to a layman. American 19 spots ahead of Stanford? UMiami 17 ahead of Duke? If you told me that two and a half years ago I wouldn't have batted an eye.

You don't want to give any single factor too much weight. American feeds into the DC market and with its location you can intern DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR at federal agencies that you simply can't at Stanford unless you are a visiting student.

Tom Joad · Post by **Tom Joad** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:33 am

El Pollito wrote:H is not with YS.

H is in the round of 32.

Y got DINGED.

S remains to be seen.

Mauve.Dino · Post by **Mauve.Dino** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:23 am

Cooley or go home.

manu6926 · Post by **manu6926** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:45 am

McAvoy · Post by **McAvoy** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:52 am

USNWR isn't useless or irrelevant. USNWR is very overblown and over-emphasized, yes, but it provides somewhat reasonable approximations. That's not to say it should influence anyone's school decision, but it's likely less useless than the other rankings in existence. ATL has potential, I guess.

There's also the argument to be made that they're relevant because the majority of people could reasonably be said to believe they are relevant. For example: we know there is almost certainly not an omnipotent man floating in the sky who will be deeply offended if you eat meat today, but because the majority of the population believes there is an omnipotent man floating in the sky who will be deeply offended if you eat meat today, we can't pretend the idea of the man in the sky is irrelevant.

jbagelboy · Post by **jbagelboy** » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:05 pm

Something like this for 2014.

Source: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=226198

1. Yale ... for credibility purposes and because everyone does this.
2. Columbia: 73.2 + 4.8 = 78%
3. Stanford: 48.5 + 29.4 = 77.8%
4. Chicago: 62.3 + 10.2 = 72.6%
5. Harvard: 54.5 + 17.0 = 71.5%
6. Penn: 59.8 + 9.3 = 69.1%
7. Cornell: 57.5 + 10.9 = 68.4%
8. NYU: 58.3 + 8.8 = 67.0%
9. Northwestern: 55.6 + 7.7 = 63.4%
10. UVA: 50.0 + 12.9 = 62.9%
10. Berkeley (somewhere around here)
12. Duke: 51.4 + 8.7 = 60.2%
13. Michigan: 49.4 + 7.8 = 57.2%
14. GULC: 41.4 + 5.1 = 46.5%
15. Vanderbilt: 35.9 + 9.2 = 45.1%
16. UT: 33.3 + 9 = 42.3%
17. UCLA: 32.5 + 6.9 = 39.5%
18. Fordham: 34.1 + 2.5 = 36.6%
19. Boston College: 29.6 + 4.3 = 34%
20. Notre Dame: 28.3 + 5.4 = 33.7%
21. USC: 29.8 + 3.8 = 33.6%
22. WUSTL: 29 + 3.3 = 32.3%
23. Illinois: 24.7 + 3.4 = 28.1%
24. BU: 24.1 +2.5 = 26.61

...Bunch of schools that aren't out yet

William and Mary: 21.7 + 3.7 = 25.3%
Alabama: 12.0 + 10.2 = 22.3%
Ohio State: 16.9 + 4.4 = 21.3%
Washington and Lee: 16.1 + 3.5 = 19.6%
Wake Forest: 13.2 + 3.1 = 16.3%

...No one cares

ETA: Also, I would then take the Unemployed/Underemployed figures, and rank them from lowest to highest, and come up with some sort of reasonable weighted average of the two groups. Some schools should probably be lower if they leave 25% of their graduates totally SOL even if their biglaw/fed numbers are a little higher.

SFrost · Post by **SFrost** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:07 pm

The TLS dislike of USNWR is intellectually dishonest.
When it comes down to it, everyone balances USNWR rank and COA with geographic preference.

People will go to NYU over UPenn just so they can say they went "top six."

People will go to Michigan over NU just so they can say they went "top ten."

Stop trying to be too cool for USNWR.

Dignan · Post by **Dignan** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:14 pm

SFrost wrote:The TLS dislike of USNWR is intellectually dishonest.
When it comes down to it, everyone balances USNWR rank and COA with geographic preference.

People will go to NYU over UPenn just so they can say they went "top six."

People will go to Michigan over NU just so they can say they went "top ten."

You're right, of course. Posters around here disparage the USNWR rankings precisely because applicants make the stupid choices you just described above. That's the point.

manu6926 · Post by **manu6926** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:15 pm

IAFG · Post by **IAFG** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:17 pm

SFrost wrote:The TLS dislike of USNWR is intellectually dishonest.
When it comes down to it, everyone balances USNWR rank and COA with geographic preference.

People will go to NYU over UPenn just so they can say they went "top six."

People will go to Michigan over NU just so they can say they went "top ten."

Stop trying to be too cool for USNWR.

Only a fucking moron would go to Michigan over NU after digging through the employment stats *on the basis that Mich is T10. Jesus.

*edited.

jbagelboy · Post by **jbagelboy** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:42 pm

IAFG wrote:
SFrost wrote:The TLS dislike of USNWR is intellectually dishonest.
When it comes down to it, everyone balances USNWR rank and COA with geographic preference.

People will go to NYU over UPenn just so they can say they went "top six."

People will go to Michigan over NU just so they can say they went "top ten."

Stop trying to be too cool for USNWR.
Only a fucking moron would go to Michigan over NU after digging through the employment stats. Jesus.

BUT T10 BRO

SFrost · Post by **SFrost** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:12 pm

IAFG wrote:
SFrost wrote:The TLS dislike of USNWR is intellectually dishonest.
When it comes down to it, everyone balances USNWR rank and COA with geographic preference.

People will go to NYU over UPenn just so they can say they went "top six."

People will go to Michigan over NU just so they can say they went "top ten."

Stop trying to be too cool for USNWR.
Only a fucking moron would go to Michigan over NU after digging through the employment stats. Jesus.

Let's see...

Michigan has higher 25/50/75 GPAs. Higher 25 LSAT. Better yield. Retains more 1Ls.

But I'm sure all those people are idiots who couldn't get into lower ranked NU?

MidwestLifer · Post by **MidwestLifer** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:30 pm

SFrost wrote:
IAFG wrote:
SFrost wrote:The TLS dislike of USNWR is intellectually dishonest.
When it comes down to it, everyone balances USNWR rank and COA with geographic preference.

People will go to NYU over UPenn just so they can say they went "top six."

People will go to Michigan over NU just so they can say they went "top ten."

Stop trying to be too cool for USNWR.
Only a fucking moron would go to Michigan over NU after digging through the employment stats. Jesus.
Let's see...

Michigan has higher 25/50/75 GPAs. Higher 25 LSAT. Better yield. Retains more 1Ls.

But I'm sure all those people are idiots who couldn't get into lower ranked NU?

You missed the boat on this one - I think that what IAFG is saying is that while Michigan is higher ranked and has higher admissions standards (so yes, the kids that go to Michigan probably got into NU), it is stupid to attend it over Northwestern considering Northwestern wins the battle of the only metric that matters.

IAFG · Post by **IAFG** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:31 pm

SFrost wrote:
IAFG wrote:
SFrost wrote:The TLS dislike of USNWR is intellectually dishonest.
When it comes down to it, everyone balances USNWR rank and COA with geographic preference.

People will go to NYU over UPenn just so they can say they went "top six."

People will go to Michigan over NU just so they can say they went "top ten."

Stop trying to be too cool for USNWR.
Only a fucking moron would go to Michigan over NU after digging through the employment stats. Jesus.
Let's see...

Michigan has higher 25/50/75 GPAs. Higher 25 LSAT. Better yield. Retains more 1Ls.

But I'm sure all those people are idiots who couldn't get into lower ranked NU?

Anyone looking at those stats is a per se idiot. Holy crap. Thanks for the flawless assist.

09042014 · Post by **09042014** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:43 pm

SFrost wrote:
IAFG wrote:
SFrost wrote:The TLS dislike of USNWR is intellectually dishonest.
When it comes down to it, everyone balances USNWR rank and COA with geographic preference.

People will go to NYU over UPenn just so they can say they went "top six."

People will go to Michigan over NU just so they can say they went "top ten."

Stop trying to be too cool for USNWR.
Only a fucking moron would go to Michigan over NU after digging through the employment stats. Jesus.
Let's see...

Michigan has higher 25/50/75 GPAs. Higher 25 LSAT. Better yield. Retains more 1Ls.

But I'm sure all those people are idiots who couldn't get into lower ranked NU?

Well they are all idiots who can't get a job. Maybe they should have transferred.

manu6926 · Post by **manu6926** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:48 pm

IAFG · Post by **IAFG** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:51 pm

Hey I'm unemployed, but look at the quality of my peers! And professors! Such scholarship!

rayiner · Post by **rayiner** » Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:52 pm

Is Michigan still harder to get into? NU has a higher median LSAT as well as higher median GPA (3.75/169 versus 3.71/168). Yeah, NU is easier if you have 3.1/171, but it seems like Michigan would be easier if you had a 3.7/168.

But yeah, if you give that kind of weight to USNWR you're an idiot. Would you rather go to Skadden than DPW or STB because of its Vault rank?

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