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[Kobaine51]

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[Clearly]

Do not write a gpa addendum to explain a few b's. Google law school numbers. Has everything you need. As far as the lsat, it's a common question, but also misguided around here, you don't pick a score, then study...you study as best you can, earn your score, then pick a school. Study for 180. Don't settle.

[Ti Malice]

There's absolutely no reason for you to submit a grade addendum. You got Bs for the same reasons countless other students get Bs.

With a score over H's 75th (i.e., 176+), you stand a fair to decent chance there. Your below-25th GPA will prevent you from being a lock regardless of your score. Because of the GPA, your chances at Y are essentially zero, and they're not much better at S, regardless of your score.

[bizzybone1313]

I wish I could give you some kind of award. Because peeps on TLS have been st8 playa hatin on me for a long time for putting C in the same tier as HYS.

[CanIGetAnAmen]

How come Columbia grads on average make more money than HYS?

[Kobaine51]

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[buddyt]

Do not write a gpa addendum to explain a few b's. Google law school numbers. Has everything you need. As far as the lsat, it's a common question, but also misguided around here, you don't pick a score, then study...you study as best you can, earn your score, then pick a school. Study for 180. Don't settle.

As misguided as you may think it is, it's actually a useful question to ask. Obviously I'm studying for a 180, but there are other numbers I would settle for. 177 would still be very useful for me. Knowing a floor for admission will allow me to choose wether or not to take the test, based on practice scores. I do not need to apply this year, but I will if I have a reasonable chance of admission based on practicing at or above some floor I set based on the information I get from people on this forum.

Law school numbers is useful, and I've interpreted the data myself, but I want to know what other people perceive as the floor to add to my stock of information.

I asked for a specific answer, not a lecture. I do not care what you think for anything other than what I asked.

You sound delightful.

According to mylsn.info it looks like to have a coinflip's chance at Harvard you need a 177, and at Columbia you need a 172. Yale/Stanford are both out of the picture.

[2014]

Egregious anti Chicago trolling going on in this thread, does not compute

[BigZuck]

Egregious anti Chicago trolling going on in this thread, does not compute

The OP was open to Chicago the last time he made this thread, I wonder what happened?

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 5#p5410195

[JamMasterJ]

How come Columbia grads on average make more money than HYS?

self-selection

[20141023]

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[beepboopbeep]

How much time did you spend abroad? If it wasn't more than a year, then those grades likely won't count towards your LSDAS GPA.

Also, if your goal is HYSC, and you know what it takes to get into these schools, you are heading in the wrong direction. You had a 3.79 last time you asked this question, and now you're at a 3.71. Upward trends show that someone has matured and figured out the importance of school, whereas downward trends show just the opposite.

I'm going to guess OP went to Chicago based on the "top-5 known for grade deflation" description from his other thread.

Chicago has study abroad programs through the school that definitely do count for LSAC gpa - mostly I know this because I did a Chicago study abroad program and didn't go to class the entire quarter, and my gpa would be like .05 higher if it were wiped from my transcript.

He sounds like such a That Kid, though, so I have no qualms about breaking it to him - YS are not going to happen. Maybe H with a 176+. Based on my own experience and that of a few friends who applied, Chicago GPAs move down when LSAC recalculates - a 3.71 will probably turn into a mid 3.6x.

[20141023]

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[jbagelboy]

Same GPA as you, attending CLS w/ $$ next year. If you hit over Harvards 75th, as others have said, you have an OK chance there but definitely not a lock. CLS admits much lower GPA's than Harvard, so if you are 171+ you have a strong chance. Below 170, you're headed for reserve or worse.

Good luck!

[CanIGetAnAmen]

Why do Columbia grads on average make more money than HYS?

[sinfiery]

Why do Columbia grads on average make more money than HYS?

Because payscale uses shit data to compute the unsurprisingly shit analysis on such matters

[banjo]

Do not write a gpa addendum to explain a few b's. Google law school numbers. Has everything you need. As far as the lsat, it's a common question, but also misguided around here, you don't pick a score, then study...you study as best you can, earn your score, then pick a school. Study for 180. Don't settle.

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I asked for a specific answer, not a lecture. I do not care what you think for anything other than what I asked.

Why would you say something so plainly unpleasant to the first person who responded to your request? Being a kind, friendly person is probably ten times more important to your career than your LSAT score. People will be more willing to hire you, work with you, promote you, invite you out to drinks, etc., if you're the kind of person who can thank people for their advice even if you found it unhelpful or unnecessary.

[Tekrul]

Lol everyone out of this kids way. He doesn't care what you think about anything other than what he asked and will tell it straight to your face. Kid is hard, such a hard mofo.

I wish to reeducate you on matters of civility and grace with the back of my hand and a healthy fear of God. Alas, I don't know who you are.

[Borg]

Egregious anti Chicago trolling going on in this thread, does not compute

Sorry, it's a forgettable city and a forgettable school.

[Ling520]

Why do Columbia grads on average make more money than HYS?

On what measure?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenha ... ting-rich/
"The best school if you want to get paid well is Stanford Law School, which tops our list with mid-career median pay of $236,000."

[jbagelboy]

Why do Columbia grads on average make more money than HYS?

On what measure?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenha ... ting-rich/
"The best school if you want to get paid well is Stanford Law School, which tops our list with mid-career median pay of $236,000."

Columbia is #1 for mean pay out of law school according to the actual forbes ranking. Stanford is #1 for mid career.

Columbia dominates the out of LS figure because more HYS kids get prestigious fed clerkships, which are lower paying than market salary at large NYC firms.

[untar614]

Why do Columbia grads on average make more money than HYS?

On what measure?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenha ... ting-rich/
"The best school if you want to get paid well is Stanford Law School, which tops our list with mid-career median pay of $236,000."

Columbia is #1 for mean pay out of law school according to the actual forbes ranking. Stanford is #1 for mid career.

Columbia dominates the out of LS figure because more HYS kids get prestigious fed clerkships, which are lower paying than market salary at large NYC firms.

The more recent editions of that article give the same results: http://www.forbes.com/pictures/efkk45eg ... -school-2/
Columbia has the top median pay right out of school, but HLS is the clear winner mid-career. In fact, CLS seems to lag several other schools in the mid-career pay metric. Any thoughts as to why this might be the case?

[Ling520]

Why do Columbia grads on average make more money than HYS?

On what measure?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenha ... ting-rich/
"The best school if you want to get paid well is Stanford Law School, which tops our list with mid-career median pay of $236,000."

Columbia is #1 for mean pay out of law school according to the actual forbes ranking. Stanford is #1 for mid career.

Columbia dominates the out of LS figure because more HYS kids get prestigious fed clerkships, which are lower paying than market salary at large NYC firms.

The more recent editions of that article give the same results: http://www.forbes.com/pictures/efkk45eg ... -school-2/
Columbia has the top median pay right out of school, but HLS is the clear winner mid-career. In fact, CLS seems to lag several other schools in the mid-career pay metric. Any thoughts as to why this might be the case?

I think jbagelboy covered it with the prestigious fed clerkships.

[untar614]

Columbia is #1 for mean pay out of law school according to the actual forbes ranking. Stanford is #1 for mid career.

Columbia dominates the out of LS figure because more HYS kids get prestigious fed clerkships, which are lower paying than market salary at large NYC firms.

The more recent editions of that article give the same results: http://www.forbes.com/pictures/efkk45eg ... -school-2/
Columbia has the top median pay right out of school, but HLS is the clear winner mid-career. In fact, CLS seems to lag several other schools in the mid-career pay metric. Any thoughts as to why this might be the case?

I think jbagelboy covered it with the prestigious fed clerkships.

But why does Coumbia's mid-career median salary fall behind Chicago, UVA, Duke, Cornell, Northwestern and NYU's?

[Lavitz]

The more recent editions of that article give the same results: http://www.forbes.com/pictures/efkk45eg ... -school-2/
Columbia has the top median pay right out of school, but HLS is the clear winner mid-career. In fact, CLS seems to lag several other schools in the mid-career pay metric. Any thoughts as to why this might be the case?

Ranked by mid-career:

1. Harvard: 221K
2. Cornell: 209K
3. Duke: 207K
4. Chicago: 204K
5. Stanford: 202K
6. Northwestern: 198K
7. NYU: 197K
8. UVA: 192K
9. Santa Clara: 189K
10. Columbia: 187K
11. Georgetown: 187K
12. Michigan: 185K
13. Penn: 183K
14. USC: 183K
15. Fordham: 178K
16. UCLA: 177K
17. Yale: 168K
18. Berkeley: 165K
19. Catholic: 162K
20. Hastings: 158K
21. Texas: 157K
22. Houston: 150K
23. San Francisco: 150K
24. San Diego: 136K
25. Utah: 135K


Santa Clara > Columbia.