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patentlybored

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Why 75/25 medians? why not means?
Why are admission percentile statistics (25/75th gpa/lsat) reported in terms of medians rather than a single mean? Reporting scores as 25/75 medians gives schools an incentive to admit splitters and reverse splitters, whom i have nothing against, but nonetheless LS's are given the ability to impove their admission statitistics by accepting either type of splittter. Why not report admission stats as a straight-up mean?
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Re: Why 75/25 medians? why not means?
How would means disincentivize admitting splitters and reverse splitters?
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Re: Why 75/25 medians? why not means?
IAFG wrote:How would means disincentivize admitting splitters and reverse splitters?
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cd7573

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Re: Why 75/25 medians? why not means?
Using means would provide a disadvantage to admitting super splitters Ex: 2.8 168's at WUSTL
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Re: Why 75/25 medians? why not means?
Means would be just as susceptible to manipulation, if not more. 25/75 at least requires that the middle 50% of admits are in a disclosed range.cd7573 wrote:Using means would provide a disadvantage to admitting super splitters Ex: 2.8 168's at WUSTL
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Re: Why 75/25 medians? why not means?
Using medians gives schools no incentive to admit a 2.8/176 vs. a 0.0/176. Either way, the 25% gpa is the same..,
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Re: Why 75/25 medians? why not means?
LOL @ 2.8/168 being a "super" splitter.cd7573 wrote:Using means would provide a disadvantage to admitting super splitters Ex: 2.8 168's at WUSTL
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Re: Why 75/25 medians? why not means?
Well first, the USNWR ranking is based on the 50th percentile median and not the 25/75, so it doesn't matter at all. That aside, means would allow schools to admit half 160/4.0s and half 180/3.0s and have a 170/3.5 mean.patentlybored wrote:Using medians gives schools no incentive to admit a 2.8/176 vs. a 0.0/176. Either way, the 25% gpa is the same..,
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Re: Why 75/25 medians? why not means?
How many people get 180's?
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Re: Why 75/25 medians? why not means?
But really though, why means and not medians? With medians, a 2.5/174 is the same as a 3.5/174. With means they're not the same at all, and one candidate is clearly better than the other.
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Re: Why 75/25 medians? why not means?
Hypothetically this is true, bUT how many 180/3.0 ss's really exist? F*** ill come up with more intelligible logic tomorrow while briefly soberIAFG wrote:Well first, the USNWR ranking is based on the 50th percentile median and not the 25/75, so it doesn't matter at all. That aside, means would allow schools to admit half 160/4.0s and half 180/3.0s and have a 170/3.5 mean.patentlybored wrote:Using medians gives schools no incentive to admit a 2.8/176 vs. a 0.0/176. Either way, the 25% gpa is the same..,
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Re: Why 75/25 medians? why not means?
How many people graduate with 0.0s?!cd7573 wrote:How many people get 180's?
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Re: Why 75/25 medians? why not means?
With medians instead of means you at least know that at least half of people (or 25%, 75%, etc.) meet a certain threshold. A mean gives you no such real confidence in that fact. A school that admit 4 people with 175s and a 5th with a 150 would have a mean of 170, but an applicant with 170 doesn't appear to be in a very good position since 80% of students have a better LSAT.
Obviously with a sample size of 200+ this becomes pretty not important, but a data point is almost surely a better tool for making decisions in this context than a mean.
Obviously with a sample size of 200+ this becomes pretty not important, but a data point is almost surely a better tool for making decisions in this context than a mean.
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Re: Why 75/25 medians? why not means?
Not my hypo... Try againIAFG wrote:How many people graduate with 0.0s?!cd7573 wrote:How many people get 180's?
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Re: Why 75/25 medians? why not means?
birdlaw117 wrote:With medians instead of means you at least know that at least half of people (or 25%, 75%, etc.) meet a certain threshold. A mean gives you no such real confidence in that fact. A school that admit 4 people with 175s and a 5th with a 150 would have a mean of 170, but an applicant with 170 doesn't appear to be in a very good position since 80% of students have a better LSAT.
Obviously with a sample size of 200+ this becomes pretty not important, but a data point is almost surely a better tool for making decisions in this context than a mean.
But the median here would be 175
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Re: Why 75/25 medians? why not means?
Yes. Yes it would. And without a 175 you are very unlikely to be admitted. I don't see the problem.cd7573 wrote:birdlaw117 wrote:With medians instead of means you at least know that at least half of people (or 25%, 75%, etc.) meet a certain threshold. A mean gives you no such real confidence in that fact. A school that admit 4 people with 175s and a 5th with a 150 would have a mean of 170, but an applicant with 170 doesn't appear to be in a very good position since 80% of students have a better LSAT.
Obviously with a sample size of 200+ this becomes pretty not important, but a data point is almost surely a better tool for making decisions in this context than a mean.
But the median here would be 175
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Re: Why 75/25 medians? why not means?
Go to hell.cd7573 wrote:Not my hypo... Try againIAFG wrote:How many people graduate with 0.0s?!cd7573 wrote:How many people get 180's?
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Re: Why 75/25 medians? why not means?
.IAFG wrote:Go to hell.cd7573 wrote:Not my hypo... Try againIAFG wrote:How many people graduate with 0.0s?!cd7573 wrote:How many people get 180's?
Sure thing bud
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Re: Why 75/25 medians? why not means?
What's the point of disincentivizing the admission of splitters? Does it make a material difference whether a school has a bunch of 2.9/175's versus 3.2/173's?
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Re: Why 75/25 medians? why not means?
Only if you believe that all 3.5s are better than all 2.5s. Which is obviously retarded.moonman157 wrote:But really though, why means and not medians? With medians, a 2.5/174 is the same as a 3.5/174. With means they're not the same at all, and one candidate is clearly better than the other.
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Re: Why 75/25 medians? why not means?
The point is, people with 164/3.5s are mad as fuckrayiner wrote:What's the point of disincentivizing the admission of splitters? Does it make a material difference whether a school has a bunch of 2.9/175's versus 3.2/173's?
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Re: Why 75/25 medians? why not means?
As long as 170+ LSAT's remain rare, schools will eat the 2.x super-splitters to get those LSAT's.IAFG wrote:The point is, people with 164/3.5s are mad as fuckrayiner wrote:What's the point of disincentivizing the admission of splitters? Does it make a material difference whether a school has a bunch of 2.9/175's versus 3.2/173's?
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