How far below 25 percentile do schools go? Forum

mygpasucks · Post by **mygpasucks** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:09 am

The title basically asks my question. So let's say a school's 25th percentile is a 158, how much lower will they go, more or less?

dissonance1848 · Post by **dissonance1848** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:12 am

Unless you are URM, irrelevant question.

mygpasucks · Post by **mygpasucks** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:15 am

dissonance1848 wrote:Unless you are URM, irrelevant question.

I am URM. I don't see why you couldn't have just given an answer lol isn't that what these forums are for?

Tom Joad · Post by **Tom Joad** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:16 am

You probably don't want to go to a school if its 25th percentile is 158. Especially if your gpa sucks.

Some of God's greatest gifts are unanswered prayers.

AntipodeanPhil · Post by **AntipodeanPhil** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:19 am

mygpasucks wrote:
dissonance1848 wrote:Unless you are URM, irrelevant question.
I am URM. I don't see why you couldn't have just given an answer lol isn't that what these forums are for?

It varies a little from school to school. Go to:

http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/

And find the schools you are interested in. That will give you a better sense that anyone here could. You're going to start an affirmative action fight over here, and then the thread will be locked.

ETA: On second thoughts, perhaps that is your intent.

mygpasucks · Post by **mygpasucks** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:22 am

AntipodeanPhil wrote:
mygpasucks wrote:
dissonance1848 wrote:Unless you are URM, irrelevant question.
I am URM. I don't see why you couldn't have just given an answer lol isn't that what these forums are for?
It varies a little from school to school. Go to:

http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/

And find the schools you are interested in. That will give you a better sense that anyone here could. You're going to start an affirmative action fight over here, and then the thread will be locked.

ETA: On second thoughts, perhaps that is your intent.

Haha no I am asking in all seriousness.

Tom Joad wrote:You probably don't want to go to a school if its 25th percentile is 158. Especially if your gpa sucks.

Some of God's greatest gifts are unanswered prayers.

ohhhh ok thanks dad!

Tom Joad · Post by **Tom Joad** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:25 am

Glad to help

nkp007 · Post by **nkp007** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:28 am

mygpasucks wrote:The title basically asks my question. So let's say a school's 25th percentile is a 158, how much lower will they go, more or less?

Figure out how far their 75% is from 180 and then subtract that number from their 25% score.

E.G. if the school's 25/75 is 158/163, then 180-163 = 17.

Thus, they will dip 17 points below their 25%, or to 141.

In other news, I just made all this up.

mygpasucks · Post by **mygpasucks** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:29 am

nkp007 wrote:
mygpasucks wrote:The title basically asks my question. So let's say a school's 25th percentile is a 158, how much lower will they go, more or less?
Figure out how far their 75% is from 180 and then subtract that number from their 25% score.

E.G. if the school's 25/75 is 158/163, then 180-163 = 17.

Thus, they will dip 17 points below their 25%, or to 141.

In other news, I just made all this up.

i gotta admit, that was prettay prettay prettayyy funny

brokenconundrum · Post by **brokenconundrum** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:37 am

My 1st LSAT score is about 4 points below the 25th percentiles of the schools to which I have been accepted (with money to a couple), and my 2nd LSAT score is about 6 points below said schools. Thankfully my GPA was far above their 75 percentiles, and I have good softs. If you have the goods to back it up, don't sell yourself short.

stillwater · Post by **stillwater** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:24 am

If you are below the 25th percentile with your LSAT, you better have a GPA above, maybe at, their 75th to have a prayer (continuing on this theme). Otherwise, you can pretty much forget about it.

danielhay11 · Post by **danielhay11** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:40 am

Once you're outside the school's interquartile range (ie, below the 25th or above the 75th), it really doesn't matter how far below or above you are. Whether you're one point or ten points below a school's 25th, you're equally invisible for the purposes of statistics reporting. (Yale, for example, dipped 13 points below its LSAT 25th for at least one student, but that didn't hurt their numbers one bit.)

So, basically, convince a school to take your sub-25th and it doesn't matter how far below you are (within reason). How do you convince a school to take a sub-25th LSAT? Well, that's already been answered above: be a URM and/or be above the school's 75th GPA.

mygpasucks · Post by **mygpasucks** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:03 pm

danielhay11 wrote:Once you're outside the school's interquartile range (ie, below the 25th or above the 75th), it really doesn't matter how far below or above you are. Whether you're one point or ten points below a school's 25th, you're equally invisible for the purposes of statistics reporting. (Yale, for example, dipped 13 points below its LSAT 25th for at least one student, but that didn't hurt their numbers one bit.)

So, basically, convince a school to take your sub-25th and it doesn't matter how far below you are (within reason). How do you convince a school to take a sub-25th LSAT? Well, that's already been answered above: be a URM and/or be above the school's 75th GPA.

Wow! that is pretty interesting and leaves me a glimmer of hope. Not at Yale, but yeah...........

JasonR · Post by **JasonR** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:12 pm

mygpasucks wrote:The title basically asks my question. So let's say a school's 25th percentile is a 158, how much lower will they go, more or less?

If your GPA sucks (i.e. is sub-25th) and you have a sub-25th LSAT, you can forget about attending that school.

rglifberg · Post by **rglifberg** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:59 pm

rglifberg · Post by **rglifberg** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:03 pm

Good Luck. Let me know if you do get in anywhere you shouldn't I'm curious.

banjo · Post by **banjo** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:44 pm

You guys have probably all seen this talk before, but I'll post it for the newer people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7_xHsce57c

He mentions at one point that UVA doesn't go as far below their 25ths as they theoretically could without damaging their numbers. He even makes a really awkward bet that no one at UVA has an LSAT below 155, and the vast majority are 160 or above (sucks to be the kid in the room with the 159). IIRC, he gives two reasons: 1) Admissions people don't want to put academically weak students in competition with much, much stronger students because it would be unfair, and 2) Admissions people just don't understand math.

JDizzle2015 · Post by **JDizzle2015** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:57 am

banjo wrote:You guys have probably all seen this talk before, but I'll post it for the newer people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7_xHsce57c

He mentions at one point that UVA doesn't go as far below their 25ths as they theoretically could without damaging their numbers. He even makes a really awkward bet that no one at UVA has an LSAT below 155, and the vast majority are 160 or above (sucks to be the kid in the room with the 159). IIRC, he gives two reasons: 1) Admissions people don't want to put academically weak students in competition with much, much stronger students because it would be unfair, and 2) Admissions people just don't understand math.

TITCR

JasonR · Post by **JasonR** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:01 am

rglifberg wrote:IF!

If what?

rglifberg · Post by **rglifberg** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:06 pm

JasonR wrote:
rglifberg wrote:IF!
If what?

If you were not so negative, you would not be a douchebag.

you're a douchebag, so you're negative.

MTBike · Post by **MTBike** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:10 pm

rglifberg wrote:
JasonR wrote:
rglifberg wrote:IF!
If what?
If you were not so negative, you would not be a douchebag.

you're a douchebag, so you're negative.

That is logically correct

stillwater · Post by **stillwater** » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:10 pm

Why is this thread still alive?

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