law school application and minor gross misdemeanor Forum

[duke2015]

long story short:
I was caught shoplifting today. The total of the item was less than $20. no police was present, I was not arrested or anything of a sort. What did happen is that I was questioned by a privet security detectives of the grocery store, signed a form that my name and picture will be kept on file for a year and I am banned from any one of their stores for a year as well.
They said I will probably get a citation in the mail in a few weeks with a court date, and what happens in 99% of cases is that it a gross misdemeanor of the third degree with a fine.

What I am concerned with is: is this something I need to disclose in my application? Nothing will most likely happen before the application cycle begins, and I will also most likely submit all my application before anything (if happens) will happen with this. In the case that I do get the citation, should I disclose it? I understand law schools don't run background checks. I realize that this might hunt me for the bar, but I will also have the opportunity to disclose it when I apply for the bar.

What do you think about this issue? how should I take this? Can I look at the time from now until I actually get something official in the mail as some sort of a 'grace period'? As of now all that has happen is that I was questioned by a detective from a privet security company.

thanks!

[minnbills]

You absolutely have to disclose it.

[Cosmo Kramer]

What are you 14 years old? What was the thought process behind this little stunt?

To answer your question, always err on the side of disclosure.

[D1989]

Damn, man, what were you heistin'?

Maybe you can chalk this up to youthful indiscretion in your PS when you apply in two weeks!

[Blessedassurance]

OP, can you please elaborate?

This is amusing.

[duke2015]

I realize it was foolish. No doubt. The question now is if to address and disclose it or not.
What happens of the citation arrives after I applied? If the app asks if you were convicted, the answer is no. If it asks if 'committed' it is different.

I understand the black and white and that a clear answer is to disclose. I am trying to understand how I can work this or work around it. We are all going/about to head to law school.

Thanks to anyone with insight!

[mrtoren]

Honestly, I would be more concerned about your grammar and writing skills affecting your law school chances than that incident.

I realize it was foolish. No doubt. The question now is if to address and disclose it or not.
What happens of the citation arrives after I applied? If the app asks if you were convicted, the answer is no. If it asks if 'committed' it is different.
I understand the black and white and that a clear answer is to disclose. I am trying to understand how I can work this or work around it. We are all going/about to head to law school.

Thanks to anyone with insight!

You screwed up. The language of the application will dictate what you have to disclose. However, if you attempt to deceive schools about this misdeed in the name of admittance, I promise you, that will be a HUGE mistake.

[shoeshine]

hunt me for the bar

This is who they let into Duke? Shoplifters with bad grammar?

[duke2015]

I am sorry for the grammar. Eng is my 2nd language and Im writing this from my phone.
I do appreciate your thoughts. I have a consult with an attorney tomorrow and I'll be able to make wiser decisions.
Thanks again.

[Yeshia90]

Did you get caught for tasting grapes? I kinda hope they caught you tasting grapes.

[mrtoren]

Did you get caught for tasting grapes? I kinda hope they caught you tasting grapes.

Bahaha +1

[monarchylover]

lots of applications especially cali schools only ask for felony convictions....

also gwu, fordham and columbia only ask for convictions or arrest

[ksmiller83]

lots of applications especially cali schools only ask for felony convictions....

also gwu, fordham and columbia only ask for convictions or arrest

Do you recall which Cali schools?

[shoeshine]

lots of applications especially cali schools only ask for felony convictions....

also gwu, fordham and columbia only ask for convictions or arrest

Not True.

I just checked my apps because you posted that. I can confirm that USC, UCLA, Stanford and Berkeley all ask about both misdemeanors and felonies.

HTH

[monarchylover]

lots of applications especially cali schools only ask for felony convictions....

also gwu, fordham and columbia only ask for convictions or arrest

Not True.

I just checked my apps because you posted that. I can confirm that USC, UCLA, Stanford and Berkeley all ask about both misdemeanors and felonies convictions.

HTH

corrected

[shoeshine]

lots of applications especially cali schools only ask for felony convictions....

also gwu, fordham and columbia only ask for convictions or arrest

Not True.

I just checked my apps because you posted that. I can confirm that USC, UCLA, Stanford and Berkeley all ask about both misdemeanors and felonies convictions.

HTH

Nice correction. They all also ask you to disclose any pending misdemeanors or felonies. Which means the OP should definitely disclose this.

[monarchylover]

lots of applications especially cali schools only ask for felony convictions....

also gwu, fordham and columbia only ask for convictions or arrest

Not True.

I just checked my apps because you posted that. I can confirm that USC, UCLA, Stanford and Berkeley all ask about both misdemeanors and felonies convictions.

HTH

Nice correction. They all also ask you to disclose any pending misdemeanors or felonies. Which means the OP should definitely disclose this.

OP has a trial date?

[monarchylover]

lots of applications especially cali schools only ask for felony convictions....

also gwu, fordham and columbia only ask for convictions or arrest

Not True.

I just checked my apps because you posted that. I can confirm that USC, UCLA, Stanford and Berkeley all ask about both misdemeanors and felonies convictions.

HTH

Nice correction. They all also ask you to disclose any pending misdemeanors or felonies. Which means the OP should definitely disclose this.

You are correctomundo totally did not read that part of the op!!! OP if you get it dropped then you would be in all clear for questions of conviction or arrest. ie hire a good lawyer

[dkt4]

you have to look carefully at the wording of each application...but if i recall correctly, they basically ask the following questions....

have you ever been arrested? have you ever been charged with a crime? have you ever been convicted of a crime?

i don't know this for certain, and if you're going to consult an attorney about this they should be able to tell you, but i don't believe a citation forces you to answer 'yes' to any of those questions.

that said, safe way is to disclose it. it'll be embarrassing and could possibly cause some schools to overlook you - but people have gotten admitted with worse (myself included)

[Jack Smirks]

OP, you need to disclose to the forum what you stole. This is your chance to come clean so that we can help you.

[monarchylover]

you have to look carefully at the wording of each application...but if i recall correctly, they basically ask the following questions....

have you ever been arrested? have you ever been charged with a crime? have you ever been convicted of a crime?

i don't know this for certain, and if you're going to consult an attorney about this they should be able to tell you, but i don't believe a citation forces you to answer 'yes' to any of those questions.

that said, safe way is to disclose it. it'll be embarrassing and could possibly cause some schools to overlook you - but people have gotten admitted with worse (myself included)

This is not in asked for cali schools, Fordham, GWU, Columbia and BU. Also some for instance BU only ask for convictions --> http://www.bu.edu/law/prospective/apply ... inrev2.pdf

It seems these law schools are the only ones who believe you are innocent until proven guilty and not guilty until proven innocent (like America today)

[duke2015]

Thank you for all the incredibly valuable information!
To your question what were the items, they were 3 very random grocery store items.

I tried to check several applications but I dont have access to them through LSAC yet. I guess it will all have to come down to the wording of the app.

Since I was not arrestet or brought to a police station, nor had cops involved in this, I will have to wait until (or if) something comes in the mail and take it from there.
For now I was issued nothing.

[03121202698008]

I'm guessing a box of condoms. Typically the most shoplifted item in any store (and why the small boxes are kept behind the counter).

[Jack Smirks]

To your question what were the items, they were 3 very random grocery store items.

Kleptomaniac?

[monarchylover]

To your question what were the items, they were 3 very random grocery store items.

Kleptomaniac?

I do have to say, not that I have ever done it but if I had cough cough done something like this it would have been at a very dumb age 14-15. Why did you think at your maturity level that this is ok?