Michigan vs UVA for Biglaw Forum
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Michigan vs UVA for Biglaw
Plain and simple, assuming both are at sticker and geographic placement after graduation doesnt matter, which school is more worth the 200k sticker price when pursuing big law? Thanks for the help
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Re: Michigan vs UVA for Biglaw
Peer schools are peer.
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Re: Michigan vs UVA for Biglaw
Arguably neither are worth sticker.
Visit and decide. Deciding this on placement alone is dumb - you'd be splitting hairs.
Visit and decide. Deciding this on placement alone is dumb - you'd be splitting hairs.
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Re: Michigan vs UVA for Biglaw
i'm interested in hearing this argument. what would be your preferred alternative if say, you got sticker at michRVP11 wrote:Arguably neither are worth sticker.
Visit and decide. Deciding this on placement alone is dumb - you'd be splitting hairs.
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Re: Michigan vs UVA for Biglaw
I voted UM because it's about 5k cheaper per year, but +1 to the above.bk187 wrote:Peer schools are peer.
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Re: Michigan vs UVA for Biglaw
I voted UVA to even you out because peer schools are peer.Moxie wrote:I voted UM because it's about 5k cheaper per year, but +1 to the above.bk187 wrote:Peer schools are peer.
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I'd say they are still worth sticker, although once the data for the next 2 employment cycles comes out that might change. I would also say that if you go much below them, say, to Cornell or GULC, sticker is a bad decision.theaether wrote:i'm interested in hearing this argument. what would be your preferred alternative if say, you got sticker at michRVP11 wrote:Arguably neither are worth sticker.
Visit and decide. Deciding this on placement alone is dumb - you'd be splitting hairs.
If you get into Mich or UVA, massive splitters not withstanding, you can usually get a full ride to a regional T1. I'd say a full ride to a T1 is about equal to MVP at sticker, although not as good as CCN at sticker.
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Re: Michigan vs UVA for Biglaw
law school admissions can be tough when evaluating prices.
you come into it thinking you want big law but a full ride. you get that. then you get a half ride to a top 25, and you think, oh well it's definitely worth 60k more to go here v. here. then you get a 1/3 ride to a top 20 and you think well it's def worth a bit more than the t-25. then you get sticker to a top 10, and you're like well it's def worth 45k more than the top 20.
you come into it thinking you want big law but a full ride. you get that. then you get a half ride to a top 25, and you think, oh well it's definitely worth 60k more to go here v. here. then you get a 1/3 ride to a top 20 and you think well it's def worth a bit more than the t-25. then you get sticker to a top 10, and you're like well it's def worth 45k more than the top 20.
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i hear this argument but cost of living is 60k probably (just an average) for 3 years.duckmoney wrote:I'd say they are still worth sticker, although once the data for the next 2 employment cycles comes out that might change. I would also say that if you go much below them, say, to Cornell or GULC, sticker is a bad decision.theaether wrote:i'm interested in hearing this argument. what would be your preferred alternative if say, you got sticker at michRVP11 wrote:Arguably neither are worth sticker.
Visit and decide. Deciding this on placement alone is dumb - you'd be splitting hairs.
If you get into Mich or UVA, massive splitters not withstanding, you can usually get a full ride to a regional T1. I'd say a full ride to a T1 is about equal to MVP at sticker, although not as good as CCN at sticker.
i just think that once you're over 50k in debt, you're taking a big risk so i'd rather just pay 200k for a school where greater than half the people earn 120k, and where many of those who don't get clerkships.
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Honestly with the T14 bailout that is IBR, PSLF, and LRAP, I can't say it's a terrible idea to go to their school. Even if you do poorly in your class and don't get biglaw, you can pay off your massive loans in 10 years.
Could be a 10 year waste of your life if you're not 100% uninterested and would be unhappy doing law jobs that aren't BigLaw, though.
Could be a 10 year waste of your life if you're not 100% uninterested and would be unhappy doing law jobs that aren't BigLaw, though.
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I could be wrong, but aren't law-related PSLF jobs not plentiful either?Kronk wrote:Honestly with the T14 bailout that is IBR, PSLF, and LRAP, I can't say it's a terrible idea to go to their school. Even if you do poorly in your class and don't get biglaw, you can pay off your massive loans in 10 years.
Could be a 10 year waste of your life if you're not 100% uninterested and would be unhappy doing law jobs that aren't BigLaw, though.
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Government and 501(c)(3) work. Depends on if you consider them plentiful. They're certainly hard to get, but they don't ask for your grades most of the time, so if you go to a T10 or T14 school I'd say with enough legwork you can definitely get one regardless of your rank.bk187 wrote:I could be wrong, but aren't law-related PSLF jobs not plentiful either?Kronk wrote:Honestly with the T14 bailout that is IBR, PSLF, and LRAP, I can't say it's a terrible idea to go to their school. Even if you do poorly in your class and don't get biglaw, you can pay off your massive loans in 10 years.
Could be a 10 year waste of your life if you're not 100% uninterested and would be unhappy doing law jobs that aren't BigLaw, though.
Notice I didn't say it was a bailout for anything past that, because just getting a job is hard enough T20 on down.
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I didn't vote so that it would stay this way.Kronk wrote:I voted UVA to even you out because peer schools are peer.Moxie wrote:I voted UM because it's about 5k cheaper per year, but +1 to the above.bk187 wrote:Peer schools are peer.
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Re: Michigan vs UVA for Biglaw
Michigan is the clearly superior choice. It's reputation so outshines that of UVa, and it's placement is so much more 'national,' that I can safely say that we would all concur that you'd be a fool to choose UVa over Michigan--even at sticker--unless UVa were willing to offer you a full ride.
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is this a joke?flcath wrote:Michigan is the clearly superior choice. It's reputation so outshines that of UVa, and it's placement is so much more 'national,' that I can safely say that we would all concur that you'd be a fool to choose UVa over Michigan--even at sticker--unless UVa were willing to offer you a full ride.
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full disclosure: flcath is probably transferring to Mflexityflex86 wrote:is this a joke?flcath wrote:Michigan is the clearly superior choice. It's reputation so outshines that of UVa, and it's placement is so much more 'national,' that I can safely say that we would all concur that you'd be a fool to choose UVa over Michigan--even at sticker--unless UVa were willing to offer you a full ride.
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Re: Michigan vs UVA for Biglaw
It depends on your region and on what you want to do. This is probably true if you're from a rural state and want to go in to state or local politics. But it isn't true if you want to do some other things.duckmoney wrote:theaether wrote:RVP11 wrote:If you get into Mich or UVA, massive splitters not withstanding, you can usually get a full ride to a regional T1. I'd say a full ride to a T1 is about equal to MVP at sticker, although not as good as CCN at sticker.
I was faced with this option (although I was comparing a modest scholarship at Michigan to a full ride with large stipend at a regional T1) and after speaking with many attorneys, both in my home market and in primary markets, I was told that Mich. was the clear winner. FWIW.
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Why are we talking about politics?die Zauberflote wrote:It depends on your region and on what you want to do. This is probably true if you're from a rural state and want to go in to state or local politics. But it isn't true if you want to do some other things.
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Re: Michigan vs UVA for Biglaw
It is also a joke.JamMasterJ wrote:full disclosure: flcath is probably transferring to Mflexityflex86 wrote:is this a joke?flcath wrote:Michigan is the clearly superior choice. It's reputation so outshines that of UVa, and it's placement is so much more 'national,' that I can safely say that we would all concur that you'd be a fool to choose UVa over Michigan--even at sticker--unless UVa were willing to offer you a full ride.
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I was joking tooflcath wrote:It is also a joke.JamMasterJ wrote:full disclosure: flcath is probably transferring to Mflexityflex86 wrote:is this a joke?flcath wrote:Michigan is the clearly superior choice. It's reputation so outshines that of UVa, and it's placement is so much more 'national,' that I can safely say that we would all concur that you'd be a fool to choose UVa over Michigan--even at sticker--unless UVa were willing to offer you a full ride.
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Re: Michigan vs UVA for Biglaw
Visit both. They are peer schools and so the opportunities they will offer you are basically equal; your decision should be based on where you'd rather spend three years of your life. I personally love Charlottesville and the UVA community, but I've heard great things about Michigan and Ann Arbor too.
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Was the Mich transfer thing a total guess (or, more accurately, a joke)?JamMasterJ wrote:I was joking tooflcath wrote:It is also a joke.JamMasterJ wrote:full disclosure: flcath is probably transferring to M
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No, I read a thread yesterday or the day before. I have a weird memory, plus that anti-Michigan asshole was trollingflcath wrote:Was the Mich transfer thing a total guess (or, more accurately, a joke)?JamMasterJ wrote: I was joking too
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Re: Michigan vs UVA for Biglaw
uva student here, both are equal for biglaw, maybe uva outshines by a little bit. But michigan and ann arbor are sweeter places to be.
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I like the debate, the reason I havent said much is because I really have no clue either way. Thanks all for the contributions and Ill be curious to see where this debate heads
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