My observation about the people on this board Forum

[romothesavior]

ITT: Special snowflakes stick their fingers in their ears, ignore basic math, and repeatedly say "I think I can! I think I can!"

[aliarrow]

I don't really have a desire to have those things anywhere in the near future, they all seem too expensive. What you describe sounds like a dream

lol

You can't live like a college kid forever.

Challenge accepted

[geoduck]

ITT: Special snowflakes stick their fingers in their ears, ignore basic math, and repeatedly say "I think I can! I think I can!"

I dunno about everyone else, but I've constantly mentioned dying in the poor house as one of the potential outcomes. The lucky and talented ones are just less likely.

[rose711]

Somehow I don't think that Tigerdad left grad school owing 6 figures of debt.

[firemed]

Somehow I don't think that Tigerdad left grad school owing 6 figures of debt.

+1

None of our parents had to deal with tuition costs that so far outstripped inflation they are actually ludicrous.

[Patriot1208]

Somehow I don't think that Tigerdad left grad school owing 6 figures of debt.

+1

None of our parents had to deal with tuition costs that so far outstripped inflation they are actually ludicrous.

My father took out student loans his freshman year, even though my grandparents were paying for his school, and was able to invest it at a high enough interest rate to buy a car after graduation.

[aliarrow]

It seems like there is a divide between the upper/middle middle and the upper lower/lower middle class posters. The former are primarily looking for the greatest possible ROI with as little debt as possible, whereas the latter are more interested in clawing their way out of the poor house by whatever means necessary with much less risk aversion since there isn't much to lose anyway. At least this is what I've gathered from various threads.

[BackToTheOldHouse]

It seems like there is a divide between the upper/middle middle and the upper lower/lower middle class posters. The former are primarily looking for the greatest possible ROI with as little debt as possible, whereas the latter are more interested in clawing their way out of the poor house by whatever means necessary with much less risk aversion since there isn't much to lose anyway. At least this is what I've gathered from various threads.

Quite interesting . . .

[kwais]

It seems like there is a divide between the upper/middle middle and the upper lower/lower middle class posters. The former are primarily looking for the greatest possible ROI with as little debt as possible, whereas the latter are more interested in clawing their way out of the poor house by whatever means necessary with much less risk aversion since there isn't much to lose anyway. At least this is what I've gathered from various threads.

+1

[romothesavior]

It seems like there is a divide between the upper/middle middle and the upper lower/lower middle class posters. The former are primarily looking for the greatest possible ROI with as little debt as possible, whereas the latter are more interested in clawing their way out of the poor house by whatever means necessary with much less risk aversion since there isn't much to lose anyway. At least this is what I've gathered from various threads.

Very, very boldretarded assumption to make here chief, and one that I don't think is even in the ballpark based on the people I've met from TLS, who I assume you are referring to.

And even if you were right, then I'd say those "lower middle class posters" without the risk aversion who are taking out hundreds of thousands in debt in order to "claw your way out of the poorhouse" probably belong in the poorhouse. "Hey, I want to pull myself up by the bootstraps and get out of the poorhouse... Step one, take out 150k for a worthless J.D.!" Good plan.

But yeah, I'm sure debt averse people like me, firemed, bk, etc. are the way we are because we're just swimming in money. BRB, gotta go light a few hundred dolla billz on fire.

[aliarrow]

It seems like there is a divide between the upper/middle middle and the upper lower/lower middle class posters. The former are primarily looking for the greatest possible ROI with as little debt as possible, whereas the latter are more interested in clawing their way out of the poor house by whatever means necessary with much less risk aversion since there isn't much to lose anyway. At least this is what I've gathered from various threads.

Very, very boldretarded assumption to make here chief, and one that I don't think is even in the ballpark based on the people I've met from TLS, who I assume you are referring to.

And even if you were right, then I'd say those "lower middle class posters" without the risk aversion who are taking out hundreds of thousands in debt in order to "claw your way out of the poorhouse" probably belong in the poorhouse. "Hey, I want to pull myself up by the bootstraps and get out of the poorhouse... Step one, take out 150k for a worthless J.D.!"

I know, I've seen that argument made before. But which is worse, trying with a 50/50 shot at either making it out with a decent career or remaining in the poor house, or not trying and remaining relatively poor your entire life no matter what?

Until you've been in that kind of situation it's hard to fully understand the mindset.

[whymeohgodno]

It seems like there is a divide between the upper/middle middle and the upper lower/lower middle class posters. The former are primarily looking for the greatest possible ROI with as little debt as possible, whereas the latter are more interested in clawing their way out of the poor house by whatever means necessary with much less risk aversion since there isn't much to lose anyway. At least this is what I've gathered from various threads.

Very, very boldretarded assumption to make here chief, and one that I don't think is even in the ballpark based on the people I've met from TLS, who I assume you are referring to.

And even if you were right, then I'd say those "lower middle class posters" without the risk aversion who are taking out hundreds of thousands in debt in order to "claw your way out of the poorhouse" probably belong in the poorhouse. "Hey, I want to pull myself up by the bootstraps and get out of the poorhouse... Step one, take out 150k for a worthless J.D.!" Good plan.

But yeah, I'm sure debt averse people like me, firemed, bk, etc. are the way we are because we're just swimming in money. BRB, gotta go light a few hundred dolla billz on fire.

Way to straw men an argument. I'm sure that comes in handy.

Thing is, Ali's argument was so out there it didn't even require a straw man.

[aliarrow]

Look,
I like BK, Romo, all you guys, and I think you all make very valid arguments. I'm not a TTT sympathizer who thinks its a good idea to go to Suffolk/Barry/whatever to escape poverty. But when it comes to taking on some debt for a T100, I can understand less risk aversion coming from lower class users.

[Sandro]

I think Ali has a point. I've noticed it as well, some posters just scream what socio-economic class they represent and their advice/posts seem to be shaped by it. Particularly manifested in the notion that if you arent making 150k+ you are a failure.

[Patriot1208]

I think Ali has a point. I've noticed it as well, some posters just scream what socio-economic class they represent and their advice/posts seem to be shaped by it. Particularly manifested in the notion that if you arent making 150k+ you are a failure.

While I do notice this in some threads, talking about law school in terms of ROI certainly isn't one of those ways to determine what socio-economic class someone is. It's just a smart way to look at any decision.

[firemed]

It seems like there is a divide between the upper/middle middle and the upper lower/lower middle class posters. The former are primarily looking for the greatest possible ROI with as little debt as possible, whereas the latter are more interested in clawing their way out of the poor house by whatever means necessary with much less risk aversion since there isn't much to lose anyway. At least this is what I've gathered from various threads.

Very, very boldretarded assumption to make here chief, and one that I don't think is even in the ballpark based on the people I've met from TLS, who I assume you are referring to.

And even if you were right, then I'd say those "lower middle class posters" without the risk aversion who are taking out hundreds of thousands in debt in order to "claw your way out of the poorhouse" probably belong in the poorhouse. "Hey, I want to pull myself up by the bootstraps and get out of the poorhouse... Step one, take out 150k for a worthless J.D.!" Good plan.

But yeah, I'm sure debt averse people like me, firemed, bk, etc. are the way we are because we're just swimming in money. BRB, gotta go light a few hundred dolla billz on fire.

Way to straw men an argument. I'm sure that comes in handy.

Thing is, Ali's argument was so out there it didn't even require a straw man.

Straw man or not... I think he is right. There are a LOT of lower middle class (or even bottom rung) posters on the forum that are profoundly debt adverse. And I think it might honestly be personal preference based off life experiences and personality... not Socioeconomic class.

[aliarrow]

Straw man or not... I think he is right. There are a LOT of lower middle class (or even bottom rung) posters on the forum that are profoundly debt adverse. And I think it might honestly be the opposite ali posted. The rich kids are more likely to take the debt than the poor ones.

Maybe the 'rich' ones are, especially if they have parents paying. But really I'm talking about lower class vs middle class

[whymeohgodno]

It seems like there is a divide between the upper/middle middle and the upper lower/lower middle class posters. The former are primarily looking for the greatest possible ROI with as little debt as possible, whereas the latter are more interested in clawing their way out of the poor house by whatever means necessary with much less risk aversion since there isn't much to lose anyway. At least this is what I've gathered from various threads.

Very, very boldretarded assumption to make here chief, and one that I don't think is even in the ballpark based on the people I've met from TLS, who I assume you are referring to.

And even if you were right, then I'd say those "lower middle class posters" without the risk aversion who are taking out hundreds of thousands in debt in order to "claw your way out of the poorhouse" probably belong in the poorhouse. "Hey, I want to pull myself up by the bootstraps and get out of the poorhouse... Step one, take out 150k for a worthless J.D.!" Good plan.

But yeah, I'm sure debt averse people like me, firemed, bk, etc. are the way we are because we're just swimming in money. BRB, gotta go light a few hundred dolla billz on fire.

Way to straw men an argument. I'm sure that comes in handy.

Thing is, Ali's argument was so out there it didn't even require a straw man.

Straw man or not... I think he is right. There are a LOT of lower middle class (or even bottom rung) posters on the forum that are profoundly debt adverse. And I think it might honestly be personal preference based off life experiences and personality... not Socioeconomic class.

I agree with you it's just that Romo handled his reply horribly.

[firemed]

Straw man or not... I think he is right. There are a LOT of lower middle class (or even bottom rung) posters on the forum that are profoundly debt adverse. And I think it might honestly bethe opposite ali posted. The rich kids are more likely to take the debt than the poor ones.

Maybe the 'rich' ones are, especially if they have parents paying. But really I'm talking about lower class vs middle class

I changed my statement.... I was hoping to ninja it before it posted. Oh well. Here is what I wanted to say:

"And I think it might honestly be personal preference based off life experiences and personality... not Socioeconomic class."

[Stringer Bell]

Being debt averse and looking at potential ROI are very different animals.

[bk1]

My name keeps getting mentioned but I can't hear you guys over the sound of benjamins fluttering down from the sky everywhere I go.

[romothesavior]

Straw man or not... I think he is right. There are a LOT of lower middle class (or even bottom rung) posters on the forum that are profoundly debt adverse. And I think it might honestly be personal preference based off life experiences and personality... not Socioeconomic class.

This, this, this. $200,000 is a mind-numbing amount of money to me. I come from a pretty standard middle class family. I would never try to call myself poor, but I would never even dream of calling my family "rich." $200,000 is an amount of debt that I truly cannot fathom for educational debt. I don't think I've ever hand more than $5,000 or so in my bank account, and usually I live off my tips. The rich kids are usually the ones who have no concept of money at a young age, so I think it is the exact opposite of what aliarrow is saying.

While I do notice this in some threads, talking about law school in terms of ROI certainly isn't one of those ways to determine what socio-economic class someone is. It's just a smart way to look at any decision.

And also this.

[firemed]

Being debt averse and looking at potential ROI are very different animals.

Yeah... but I think they are connected. I am debt adverse because that lowers my potential ROI. If I had a 95% chance at making $160K-300K a year (like, if I went to medical school) I wouldn't even care about the loans. Not one bit.

ETA: I am reading this again, and I am saying it wrong somehow... but, hopefully, you understand what I am saying?

[aliarrow]

I changed my statement.... I was hoping to ninja it before it posted. Oh well. Here is what I wanted to say:

"And I think it might honestly be personal preference based off life experiences and personality... not Socioeconomic class."

Maybe, but Life Experiences are very much influenced by Socioeconomic class (personality no, that's just a wildcard).

[flcath]

Dear Ken,

Your website is starting to suck ass.