2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad? Forum
- Hawkeye Pierce
- Posts: 1261
- Joined: Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:18 am
2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
I have a REALLY hectic quarter. I will be taking the LSATs this June (the 6th), and I will be at a conference in New York, missing a week of classes. Moreover, the classes I signed up for -- unfortunately -- seem like a lot more work than I expected.
Of course I will try my hardest to accommodate all these things, but because my GPA is already very high (3.88), I feel like I should be dedicating this time more towards LSAT studying.
I have no pass/fails thus far, and I know that one or two doesn't affect your chances in gaining admissions. I do, however, want to know whether 2 in one quarter would look bad. Obviously, I wouldn't be leaning on this as a crutch, but I would just like to know whether I have this available in my back pocket. I would, presumably, pass/fail any class in which I felt I could not receive at least an A- (i.e., 3.67 LSAC GPA translation).
For the record, I am taking three courses (15 credits) this quarter, i.e., the standard.
Many thanks.
Of course I will try my hardest to accommodate all these things, but because my GPA is already very high (3.88), I feel like I should be dedicating this time more towards LSAT studying.
I have no pass/fails thus far, and I know that one or two doesn't affect your chances in gaining admissions. I do, however, want to know whether 2 in one quarter would look bad. Obviously, I wouldn't be leaning on this as a crutch, but I would just like to know whether I have this available in my back pocket. I would, presumably, pass/fail any class in which I felt I could not receive at least an A- (i.e., 3.67 LSAC GPA translation).
For the record, I am taking three courses (15 credits) this quarter, i.e., the standard.
Many thanks.
- sundance95
- Posts: 2123
- Joined: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:44 pm
Re: 2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
Don't fail them and you'll be cool. Are you sure your university will let you do this?
- Hawkeye Pierce
- Posts: 1261
- Joined: Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:18 am
Re: 2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
I am quite certain that my university will allow this. I will investigate further, however.
Yup, I think failing them would actually take effort on my part. I need only a 2.0 to receive credit.
Yup, I think failing them would actually take effort on my part. I need only a 2.0 to receive credit.
- sundance95
- Posts: 2123
- Joined: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:44 pm
Re: 2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
Interesting. At GW I was only allowed to take one P/F per semester, and it had to be out of my major. And I think you could only have two total? Can't remember but make sure you know for sure.
- Hawkeye Pierce
- Posts: 1261
- Joined: Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:18 am
Re: 2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
All I can find is the following: "A student may count a maximum of 25 UW credits earned on the S/NS grading option toward the 180 credits required for an undergraduate degree."
There doesn't appear to be any literature I can do more than one in a quarter.
Perhaps I should speak to an adviser.
But if it is possible, you are certain that 2 in one quarter would not look bad? I just want to be able to dedicate more time to the LSAT and I'm not willing to take a grade under an A-.
There doesn't appear to be any literature I can do more than one in a quarter.
Perhaps I should speak to an adviser.
But if it is possible, you are certain that 2 in one quarter would not look bad? I just want to be able to dedicate more time to the LSAT and I'm not willing to take a grade under an A-.
Want to continue reading?
Register now to search topics and post comments!
Absolutely FREE!
Already a member? Login
- sundance95
- Posts: 2123
- Joined: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:44 pm
Re: 2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
I'm of the mind that if it doesn't hurt your LSAC GPA, then it doesn't hurt. Better than a drop in GPA that's for sure.
- 99.9luft
- Posts: 1234
- Joined: Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:32 pm
Re: 2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
Not at all.2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
- chihuahua12
- Posts: 103
- Joined: Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:42 pm
Re: 2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
I go to GW and I was wondering about this. LOL thanks for answering my question.sundance95 wrote:Interesting. At GW I was only allowed to take one P/F per semester, and it had to be out of my major. And I think you could only have two total? Can't remember but make sure you know for sure.
- Hawkeye Pierce
- Posts: 1261
- Joined: Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:18 am
Re: 2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
I just got an email back from my major adviser and she said that I can pass/fail as many courses as I woul like in one quarter.
Im still a little surprised that law schools wouldn't care! My gut feeling would just impel me to believe that two in one quarter might look slightly bizarre.
Im still a little surprised that law schools wouldn't care! My gut feeling would just impel me to believe that two in one quarter might look slightly bizarre.
- sundance95
- Posts: 2123
- Joined: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:44 pm
Re: 2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
Definitely double check that. This was a few years ago, so the rules might have changed or my memory might be wrong.chihuahua12 wrote:I go to GW and I was wondering about this. LOL thanks for answering my question.sundance95 wrote:Interesting. At GW I was only allowed to take one P/F per semester, and it had to be out of my major. And I think you could only have two total? Can't remember but make sure you know for sure.
-
- Posts: 12
- Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:09 am
Re: 2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
Isnt an A- converted to 3.7 not 3.67 by LSAC?
- Hawkeye Pierce
- Posts: 1261
- Joined: Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:18 am
Re: 2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
Nope, A- is a 3.67.Tdawg7669 wrote:Isnt an A- converted to 3.7 not 3.67 by LSAC?
You can go here to see what the entire LSDAS GPA recalculations are (and calculate what your GPA will be):
http://www.lawschoolpredictor.com/wp-co ... ulator.htm
- SehMeSerrious
- Posts: 1833
- Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:34 am
Re: 2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
Shoot, I wish I had seen this earlier. I'm in the same position (busy schedule with major and work) and two of my nonmajor GEs turned out to be a ridiculous amount of time-consuming work, and I've been prepping to do an independent study and research paper for my major that I'll turn in next quarter.
I'm looking at a heart-breaking B+, possibly a B, and I have a GPA (3.83) that would be hurt by anything less than an A right now.
I'm going to check and see if I can petition to change these courses to a P/NP. I was incorrectly advised by my counselor midway through the quarter to not do a P/NP; she claimed that law schools look at Ps as an assumed C. Horrible.
If I can, does anyone have any advice on if this will hurt me? I know that in this class, an A is out already; the max I can get is an A-, which would still will bring down my GPA since it's pretty high. And a B+/B is more likely since I probably won't get 100% on everything else.
Can someone confirm that a P is better than a B+ or B that brings down my 3.8+ GPA to a 3.79- GPA? I just want that psychological comfort and confidence in my decision for when I go and try to appeal for a late P/NP change on the grounds that I was incorrectly advised to not take it and that a P/NP will not be worse than a B or even a B+, and that it's not looked at as a C by law schools.
I'm looking at a heart-breaking B+, possibly a B, and I have a GPA (3.83) that would be hurt by anything less than an A right now.
I'm going to check and see if I can petition to change these courses to a P/NP. I was incorrectly advised by my counselor midway through the quarter to not do a P/NP; she claimed that law schools look at Ps as an assumed C. Horrible.
If I can, does anyone have any advice on if this will hurt me? I know that in this class, an A is out already; the max I can get is an A-, which would still will bring down my GPA since it's pretty high. And a B+/B is more likely since I probably won't get 100% on everything else.
Can someone confirm that a P is better than a B+ or B that brings down my 3.8+ GPA to a 3.79- GPA? I just want that psychological comfort and confidence in my decision for when I go and try to appeal for a late P/NP change on the grounds that I was incorrectly advised to not take it and that a P/NP will not be worse than a B or even a B+, and that it's not looked at as a C by law schools.
Register now!
Resources to assist law school applicants, students & graduates.
It's still FREE!
Already a member? Login
- 20130312
- Posts: 3814
- Joined: Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:53 pm
Re: 2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
I have a few classes that were P/F on my transcript. They weren't taken into account at all when calculating my LSDAS GPA. I passed all of them. I'm guessing if you fail, it would hurt, but otherwise it won't do anything.SehMeSerrious wrote:Shoot, I wish I had seen this earlier. I'm in the same position (busy schedule with major and work) and two of my nonmajor GEs turned out to be a ridiculous amount of time-consuming work, and I've been prepping to do an independent study and research paper for my major that I'll turn in next quarter.
I'm looking at a heart-breaking B+, possibly a B, and I have a GPA (3.83) that would be hurt by anything less than an A right now.
I'm going to check and see if I can petition to change these courses to a P/NP. I was incorrectly advised by my counselor midway through the quarter to not do a P/NP; she claimed that law schools look at Ps as an assumed C. Horrible.
If I can, does anyone have any advice on if this will hurt me? I know that in this class, an A is out already; the max I can get is an A-, which would still will bring down my GPA since it's pretty high. And a B+/B is more likely since I probably won't get 100% on everything else.
Can someone confirm that a P is better than a B+ or B that brings down my 3.8+ GPA to a 3.79- GPA? I just want that psychological comfort and confidence in my decision for when I go and try to appeal for a late P/NP change on the grounds that I was incorrectly advised to not take it and that a P/NP will not be worse than a B or even a B+, and that it's not looked at as a C by law schools.
-
- Posts: 1115
- Joined: Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:44 pm
Re: 2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
p/f dont count towards lsac gpa..but use them sparingly..all the adcomms that visited my school said the same thing, one or two scattered throughout 4 yrs is fine, but more than that, it will impact ur admissions decision.
- SehMeSerrious
- Posts: 1833
- Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:34 am
Re: 2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
Crap, so it does sort of matter... I'm shooting for T14; do they look down on senior year Ps? The only other thing like that on my transcript is a Withdraw Passing for a class I just didn't have time for in my sophomore year. Will a P be worse than a GPA-dropping B this quarter?
- 89vision
- Posts: 431
- Joined: Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:49 pm
Re: 2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
That's awesome that you can P/F multiple classes in a semester. My school limits it to one a semester.
Get unlimited access to all forums and topics
Register now!
I'm pretty sure I told you it's FREE...
Already a member? Login
- 20130312
- Posts: 3814
- Joined: Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:53 pm
Re: 2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
Pretty sure I just answered this above, but to reiterate: A pass will have no effect on your LSDAS GPA. So yes, it is better than a B.SehMeSerrious wrote:Crap, so it does sort of matter... I'm shooting for T14; do they look down on senior year Ps? The only other thing like that on my transcript is a Withdraw Passing for a class I just didn't have time for in my sophomore year. Will a P be worse than a GPA-dropping B this quarter?
- SehMeSerrious
- Posts: 1833
- Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:34 am
Re: 2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
I'm riding the fence between an A and a B so hard in this class that it's painful. But I think I'll get the paperwork ready just in case. The TA told me that people have done it right up to the date of the finals but that he thought I still have a solid chance at an A and not an A-. I might get it ready to sign and decide at the last minute.
-
- Posts: 3086
- Joined: Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:05 pm
Re: 2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
I had multiple P/F classes within my major in one semester, and it didn't hurt me in the application process. So I wouldn't worry about it.
- SehMeSerrious
- Posts: 1833
- Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:34 am
Re: 2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
Not everyone got a 180bp shinners wrote:I had multiple P/F classes within my major in one semester, and it didn't hurt me in the application process. So I wouldn't worry about it.

Communicate now with those who not only know what a legal education is, but can offer you worthy advice and commentary as you complete the three most educational, yet challenging years of your law related post graduate life.
Register now, it's still FREE!
Already a member? Login
- SehMeSerrious
- Posts: 1833
- Joined: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:34 am
Re: 2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
Ok, I was able to change it to P/NP, but it turns out that since I did it late, it will be marked on my transcript as changing from a letter grade to a p/np in 10th week, right before finals. It's a nonmajor GE. Do you think that I should explain it in any future addendum or just not draw attention to it?
-
- Posts: 116
- Joined: Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:06 pm
Re: 2 Pass/Fails in One Quarter = Bad?
Why do people stress over P/F's? They are no big deal. They only become a problem if you have a ton of them...and if you actually fail them.
Seriously? What are you waiting for?
Now there's a charge.
Just kidding ... it's still FREE!
Already a member? Login