ED at Columbia and UPenn - Extreme splitter Forum
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ED at Columbia and UPenn - Extreme splitter
What are my chances for ED at Columbia and UPenn?
GPA: 2.8 (2F, 2D)
LSAT: 179
Undergrad: Top public, majored in Applied Math.
Work Exp: Will have 6 months at the time of application, but worked extensively throughout my undergrad years.
Thanks for your input.
GPA: 2.8 (2F, 2D)
LSAT: 179
Undergrad: Top public, majored in Applied Math.
Work Exp: Will have 6 months at the time of application, but worked extensively throughout my undergrad years.
Thanks for your input.
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Sorry but I doubt you have any chance. With that fantastic LSAT I am almost inclined to think you should return to school and try to boost your GPA. Alternatively, you could work for a couple of years and try ED to Northwestern.
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canuck wrote:Sorry but I doubt you have any chance. With that fantastic LSAT I am almost inclined to think you should return to school and try to boost your GPA. Alternatively, you could work for a couple of years and try ED to Northwestern.
Once you get your first undergraduate degree, you cant boost your gpa. it is set in stone
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Both are reaches, but UPenn might be more likely to bite. Either way ED to one of them and when that fails, ED to UVA, home of the splitters (although your numbers may be a bit too extreme for even them!). Good luck!
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This may be true at some schools, but I know lots of people who have returned for a semester or two to boost their GPA.northwood wrote:canuck wrote:Sorry but I doubt you have any chance. With that fantastic LSAT I am almost inclined to think you should return to school and try to boost your GPA. Alternatively, you could work for a couple of years and try ED to Northwestern.
Once you get your first undergraduate degree, you cant boost your gpa. it is set in stone
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i'm pretty sure UVA has a quite distinct cutoff at 3.0 for extreme splitters - anything below that hurts their GPA medians too much to make even a 179 worth it - and you are considerably below that at 2.8. barring a miracle, i'd say no way for any of them.
actually, i agree with one above poster to get some meaningful work experience in and try NU if you are set on going to a top school
actually, i agree with one above poster to get some meaningful work experience in and try NU if you are set on going to a top school
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Any upward trend and/or explanation for your GPA?
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It's true for your LSAC GPA, which is all that matters. They don't calculate into your official GPA any grades obtained after you were awarded your first undergrad degree.canuck wrote:This may be true at some schools, but I know lots of people who have returned for a semester or two to boost their GPA.northwood wrote:canuck wrote:Sorry but I doubt you have any chance. With that fantastic LSAT I am almost inclined to think you should return to school and try to boost your GPA. Alternatively, you could work for a couple of years and try ED to Northwestern.
Once you get your first undergraduate degree, you cant boost your gpa. it is set in stone
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A 2.0 has the same effect on the median as a 3.0 at these schools. Nevertheless, you are correct that many schools do seem to have ~3.0 floors.paulinaporizkova wrote:i'm pretty sure UVA has a quite distinct cutoff at 3.0 for extreme splitters - anything below that hurts their GPA medians too much to make even a 179 worth it - and you are considerably below that at 2.8. barring a miracle, i'd say no way for any of them.
actually, i agree with one above poster to get some meaningful work experience in and try NU if you are set on going to a top school
OP: Your chances at either Chi or Penn are not very good. ED can be a big boost for a splitter but without work experience it will be difficult to convince them you will take law school seriously.
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Work experience + ED at NU
or ED at GULC PT
Enjoy.
or ED at GULC PT
Enjoy.
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UVa ED is probably your best bet although not a shoe in. Other sub-3.0's have gotten in, especially early in the cycle but they seem to be having a harder and harder 3.0 floor as of late. Since they do 15 day turn around, you should ED UVa first and then ED GULC PT after that (which you have a decent chance at).
However, your absolute best bet for T14 is NU ED. If you were to get at least a year of full time work experience post graduation then NU ED would be a shoe in. With only 6 months it is highly unlikely.
Columbia is definitely out and though I have seen Penn waitlist some sub-3.0's, I have never seen any get in so I would say it is definitely not worth it.
And this is why future lawyers were never math majors.
However, your absolute best bet for T14 is NU ED. If you were to get at least a year of full time work experience post graduation then NU ED would be a shoe in. With only 6 months it is highly unlikely.
Columbia is definitely out and though I have seen Penn waitlist some sub-3.0's, I have never seen any get in so I would say it is definitely not worth it.
/facepalmpaulinaporizkova wrote: - anything below that hurts their GPA medians too much to make even a 179 worth it -
And this is why future lawyers were never math majors.
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GULC is likely going to make Part Time to Full Time transfers next to impossible. I would not adivse anyone to ED to the PT program who does not have PT as a first preference in the first place. IMO, with a 179 you may get in if you ED FT anyway.
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She meant mean. For the love of God, she meant mean.bk187 wrote:/facepalmpaulinaporizkova wrote: - anything below that hurts their GPA medians too much to make even a 179 worth it -
And this is why future lawyers were never math majors.
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Not sold if she actually did. And even if that is what she meant, then it's still dumb, albeit for a different reason.glitched wrote:She meant mean. For the love of God, she meant mean.
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you guys, i'm a man......bk187 wrote:Not sold if she actually did. And even if that is what she meant, then it's still dumb, albeit for a different reason.glitched wrote:She meant mean. For the love of God, she meant mean.
jk. ok, everyone has their facepalm moments so this is mine. i think i know what i meant originally, but i'm going to concede this one. at some point, a 180 will cease to atone for a low-ass GPA, even if your initials are U.V.A., amiright? median vs. mean, they start with the same fucking letter don't they? i swear i'm not dumm, TLS police. doun't revoke my akseptances.
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Law school predictor has OP' as "weak consider" for Columbia, and "consider" for Penn.
Michigan has him as a "strong consider", and Cornell as "admit"
Michigan has him as a "strong consider", and Cornell as "admit"
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Don't you mean "shoo in"?bk187 wrote:UVa ED is probably your best bet although not a shoe in. Other sub-3.0's have gotten in, especially early in the cycle but they seem to be having a harder and harder 3.0 floor as of late. Since they do 15 day turn around, you should ED UVa first and then ED GULC PT after that (which you have a decent chance at).
However, your absolute best bet for T14 is NU ED. If you were to get at least a year of full time work experience post graduation then NU ED would be a shoe in. With only 6 months it is highly unlikely.
Columbia is definitely out and though I have seen Penn waitlist some sub-3.0's, I have never seen any get in so I would say it is definitely not worth it.
/facepalmpaulinaporizkova wrote: - anything below that hurts their GPA medians too much to make even a 179 worth it -
And this is why future lawyers were never math majors.
What the hell is a "shoe in"?
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well-hello-there wrote:Don't you mean "shoo in"?bk187 wrote:UVa ED is probably your best bet although not a shoe in. Other sub-3.0's have gotten in, especially early in the cycle but they seem to be having a harder and harder 3.0 floor as of late. Since they do 15 day turn around, you should ED UVa first and then ED GULC PT after that (which you have a decent chance at).
However, your absolute best bet for T14 is NU ED. If you were to get at least a year of full time work experience post graduation then NU ED would be a shoe in. With only 6 months it is highly unlikely.
Columbia is definitely out and though I have seen Penn waitlist some sub-3.0's, I have never seen any get in so I would say it is definitely not worth it.
/facepalmpaulinaporizkova wrote: - anything below that hurts their GPA medians too much to make even a 179 worth it -
And this is why future lawyers were never math majors.
What the hell is a "shoe in"?
Actually, I looked this up once, and technically it should be "shoo-in" (with a hyphen) - it has something to do with horse racing, I forget what exactly. However, the phrase has been so heavily bastardized that "shoe in" is now generally accepted as well, as many like to think it has something to do with having "one foot in the door."
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accepted by who? all the people who don't even know what they're saying?amorfati wrote: Actually, I looked this up once, and technically it should be "shoo-in" (with a hyphen) - it has something to do with horse racing, I forget what exactly. However, the phrase has been so heavily bastardized that "shoe in" is now generally accepted as well, as many like to think it has something to do with having "one foot in the door."
and getting one foot in the door is not the same as being shooed-in.
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I heavily disagree. He can get in T-14 with his LSAT. Michigan and Cornell will let him in before UVA does. Splitters are hard to predict, but he has a shot.paulinaporizkova wrote:i'm pretty sure UVA has a quite distinct cutoff at 3.0 for extreme splitters - anything below that hurts their GPA medians too much to make even a 179 worth it - and you are considerably below that at 2.8. barring a miracle, i'd say no way for any of them.
actually, i agree with one above poster to get some meaningful work experience in and try NU if you are set on going to a top school
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@amorfati: Thanks for the interesting info.
Oh holier than thou grammar nerd how ever can I redeem myself in your eyes?well-hello-there wrote:accepted by who? all the people who don't even know what they're saying?amorfati wrote: Actually, I looked this up once, and technically it should be "shoo-in" (with a hyphen) - it has something to do with horse racing, I forget what exactly. However, the phrase has been so heavily bastardized that "shoe in" is now generally accepted as well, as many like to think it has something to do with having "one foot in the door."
and getting one foot in the door is not the same as being shooed-in.
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You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.Miracle wrote:I heavily disagree. He can get in T-14 with his LSAT. Michigan and Cornell will let him in before UVA does. Splitters are hard to predict, but he has a shot.paulinaporizkova wrote:i'm pretty sure UVA has a quite distinct cutoff at 3.0 for extreme splitters - anything below that hurts their GPA medians too much to make even a 179 worth it - and you are considerably below that at 2.8. barring a miracle, i'd say no way for any of them.
actually, i agree with one above poster to get some meaningful work experience in and try NU if you are set on going to a top school
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well-hello-there wrote:accepted by who? all the people who don't even know what they're saying?amorfati wrote: Actually, I looked this up once, and technically it should be "shoo-in" (with a hyphen) - it has something to do with horse racing, I forget what exactly. However, the phrase has been so heavily bastardized that "shoe in" is now generally accepted as well, as many like to think it has something to do with having "one foot in the door."

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actually, i wasn't correcting you for improper grammar. What you did is much, MUCH WORSE! I'm not sure it's possible to redeem yourself from this one but if you let me borrow that gandalf-magneto tee shirt, i'll put in a good word for you.bk187 wrote:@amorfati: Thanks for the interesting info.
Oh holier than thou grammar nerd how ever can I redeem myself in your eyes?well-hello-there wrote:accepted by who? all the people who don't even know what they're saying?amorfati wrote: Actually, I looked this up once, and technically it should be "shoo-in" (with a hyphen) - it has something to do with horse racing, I forget what exactly. However, the phrase has been so heavily bastardized that "shoe in" is now generally accepted as well, as many like to think it has something to do with having "one foot in the door."
and getting one foot in the door is not the same as being shooed-in.
n-e-way...just thought it would be funny/ironic to point out your mistake in a post where you are pointing out paulina's mistake....double facepalm!
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You're right. You do!Desert Fox wrote:You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.Miracle wrote:I heavily disagree. He can get in T-14 with his LSAT. Michigan and Cornell will let him in before UVA does. Splitters are hard to predict, but he has a shot.paulinaporizkova wrote:i'm pretty sure UVA has a quite distinct cutoff at 3.0 for extreme splitters - anything below that hurts their GPA medians too much to make even a 179 worth it - and you are considerably below that at 2.8. barring a miracle, i'd say no way for any of them.
actually, i agree with one above poster to get some meaningful work experience in and try NU if you are set on going to a top school

To say that OP can't get in any T-14 is absurd.
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