What T14 grouping is Berkeley in? Forum
- whitman
- Posts: 819
- Joined: Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:08 am
What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
Im sure this has been discussed but why is Berkeley always the odd man out. HYS CCN MVP DNCG...Why no B?
-
- Posts: 2508
- Joined: Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:15 pm
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
Below CCN and among MVP.
- Pleasye
- Posts: 8738
- Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:22 pm
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
There's a lot of east coast bias on this forum (from the people asking for advice and the people giving it). Also, when talking about people's chances Berkley is kind of a black box of admissions because they are more holistic in their process so it doesn't get mentioned as much.
- iphone7
- Posts: 141
- Joined: Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:46 am
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
I feel as if they are very close to CCN. They carry a ton of prestige on the west coast and they still place well on the east coast. They don't place as well as CCN in NYC due to proximity, but they are still up there.
- im_blue
- Posts: 3272
- Joined: Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:53 am
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
HYS
CCN
MVPB
DNCG
Although ITE their OCI placement has been closer to CG than MVPDN.
CCN
MVPB
DNCG
Although ITE their OCI placement has been closer to CG than MVPDN.
Want to continue reading?
Register now to search topics and post comments!
Absolutely FREE!
Already a member? Login
- cortnf
- Posts: 127
- Joined: Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:13 pm
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
IMO it's as follows:whitman wrote:Im sure this has been discussed but why is Berkeley always the odd man out. HYS CCN MVP DNCG...Why no B?
HYS
CCN
B
MVP
DN
CG
Berkeley is sort of out on it's own. I think everybody recognizes it's a great school, a little bit better than MVP but not quite on the level of CCN.
-
- Posts: 3727
- Joined: Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:23 pm
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
This is how it seems
West Coast
HYS
CCNB
MVP
DCNG
East Coast
HYS
CCN
MVP
B
DCNG
West Coast
HYS
CCNB
MVP
DCNG
East Coast
HYS
CCN
MVP
B
DCNG
- jcunni5
- Posts: 226
- Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:51 pm
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
MVP B
B is placing worse ITE than MVP at least that's what people have been saying due to CA's horrible economy and their Pass/Fail grading system which they are not prestigious enough to be using
B is placing worse ITE than MVP at least that's what people have been saying due to CA's horrible economy and their Pass/Fail grading system which they are not prestigious enough to be using
-
- Posts: 2508
- Joined: Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:15 pm
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
I've heard this also.jcunni5 wrote:MVP B
B is placing worse ITE than MVP at least that's what people have been saying due to CA's horrible economy and their Pass/Fail grading system which they are not prestigious enough to be using
- AreJay711
- Posts: 3406
- Joined: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:51 pm
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
This is what matters: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=108528
-
- Posts: 3727
- Joined: Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:23 pm
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
I think firms (especially on the East Coast) are nervous that Berkeley lets in people with 163 and below LSAT scores, then proceeds to give 60% of them passing grades in all of their classes.jcunni5 wrote:MVP B
B is placing worse ITE than MVP at least that's what people have been saying due to CA's horrible economy and their Pass/Fail grading system which they are not prestigious enough to be using
-
- Posts: 1853
- Joined: Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:46 am
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
I really dont think firms care much about LSAT scores and no one really knows the effect of P/F systems. Plus, berkeley has HH/H/P/LP/NC so really not much different than having a regular grading system since no one gets less than a B- anyway. The effect of grading systems is really overstates I think. I have had people argue to me that Yale not having grades hurts them.bdubs wrote:I think firms (especially on the East Coast) are nervous that Berkeley lets in people with 163 and below LSAT scores, then proceeds to give 60% of them passing grades in all of their classes.jcunni5 wrote:MVP B
B is placing worse ITE than MVP at least that's what people have been saying due to CA's horrible economy and their Pass/Fail grading system which they are not prestigious enough to be using
Im not a big proponent of distinguishing between schools 7-17 too much.
- Rotor
- Posts: 914
- Joined: Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:06 pm
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
I know this is what people are saying, but I'd really like to know the source. We've heard nothing from our CDO-- which I think is par for ITE so no telling either way. Among the people I know well enough to know job status, vast majority have jobs and most in NYC and a quite a few in DC (more than the "DC was a bloodbath" talk would suggest at least). Of the people who went all out at OCI, I know two who struck out. (I've heard of others, but that's prob because they bid SF/SV/LA exclusively.jcunni5 wrote:MVP B
B is placing worse ITE than MVP at least that's what people have been saying due to CA's horrible economy and their Pass/Fail grading system which they are not prestigious enough to be using
Bottom line, don't judge OCI results without data (and, no, I'm not claiming my post is data either).
Last year wasn't so great, but this year seems (from my personal vantage point) to be much better.
Register now!
Resources to assist law school applicants, students & graduates.
It's still FREE!
Already a member? Login
-
- Posts: 3727
- Joined: Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:23 pm
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
I have heard that some firms ask candidates their test scores in interviews. Not sure if that is confined to a few or not.tkgrrett wrote:I really dont think firms care much about LSAT scores and no one really knows the effect of P/F systems. Plus, berkeley has HH/H/P/LP/NC so really not much different than having a regular grading system since no one gets less than a B- anyway. The effect of grading systems is really overstates I think. I have had people argue to me that Yale not having grades hurts them.bdubs wrote:I think firms (especially on the East Coast) are nervous that Berkeley lets in people with 163 and below LSAT scores, then proceeds to give 60% of them passing grades in all of their classes.jcunni5 wrote:MVP B
B is placing worse ITE than MVP at least that's what people have been saying due to CA's horrible economy and their Pass/Fail grading system which they are not prestigious enough to be using
Im not a big proponent of distinguishing between schools 7-17 too much.
Also "There is no required curve for the grades of Pass and below, and faculty members are not required to give any Substandard Pass or No Credit grades." Do you think they give any LP or NC if not required to do so? I would imagine it's pretty hard to earn those grades.
Last edited by bdubs on Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.
- mrmangs
- Posts: 674
- Joined: Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:28 pm
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
I love Berkeley, but I keep hearing conflicting information about all of this... Whelp, welcome to the internet I guess.Rotor wrote:I know this is what people are saying, but I'd really like to know the source. We've heard nothing from our CDO-- which I think is par for ITE so no telling either way. Among the people I know well enough to know job status, vast majority have jobs and most in NYC and a quite a few in DC (more than the "DC was a bloodbath" talk would suggest at least). Of the people who went all out at OCI, I know two who struck out. (I've heard of others, but that's prob because they bid SF/SV/LA exclusively.jcunni5 wrote:MVP B
B is placing worse ITE than MVP at least that's what people have been saying due to CA's horrible economy and their Pass/Fail grading system which they are not prestigious enough to be using
Bottom line, don't judge OCI results without data (and, no, I'm not claiming my post is data either).
Last year wasn't so great, but this year seems (from my personal vantage point) to be much better.
- im_blue
- Posts: 3272
- Joined: Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:53 am
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
"If you went to the OCIP meetings/presentations, career services said that 30% of 1Ls got a job at OCIP last year. They said to expect about 40-45% of the class getting a job at OCIP this year. In other words, it is not looking good for someone with mostly Ps, since you are probably in the bottom 1/3 of your class."Rotor wrote:I know this is what people are saying, but I'd really like to know the source. We've heard nothing from our CDO-- which I think is par for ITE so no telling either way. Among the people I know well enough to know job status, vast majority have jobs and most in NYC and a quite a few in DC (more than the "DC was a bloodbath" talk would suggest at least). Of the people who went all out at OCI, I know two who struck out. (I've heard of others, but that's prob because they bid SF/SV/LA exclusively.jcunni5 wrote:MVP B
B is placing worse ITE than MVP at least that's what people have been saying due to CA's horrible economy and their Pass/Fail grading system which they are not prestigious enough to be using
Bottom line, don't judge OCI results without data (and, no, I'm not claiming my post is data either).
Last year wasn't so great, but this year seems (from my personal vantage point) to be much better.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 3&t=121418
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 8&start=27
- mrmangs
- Posts: 674
- Joined: Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:28 pm
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
Thanks, blue. Definitely have a lot to think about.im_blue wrote:"If you went to the OCIP meetings/presentations, career services said that 30% of 1Ls got a job at OCIP last year. They said to expect about 40-45% of the class getting a job at OCIP this year. In other words, it is not looking good for someone with mostly Ps, since you are probably in the bottom 1/3 of your class."Rotor wrote:I know this is what people are saying, but I'd really like to know the source. We've heard nothing from our CDO-- which I think is par for ITE so no telling either way. Among the people I know well enough to know job status, vast majority have jobs and most in NYC and a quite a few in DC (more than the "DC was a bloodbath" talk would suggest at least). Of the people who went all out at OCI, I know two who struck out. (I've heard of others, but that's prob because they bid SF/SV/LA exclusively.jcunni5 wrote:MVP B
B is placing worse ITE than MVP at least that's what people have been saying due to CA's horrible economy and their Pass/Fail grading system which they are not prestigious enough to be using
Bottom line, don't judge OCI results without data (and, no, I'm not claiming my post is data either).
Last year wasn't so great, but this year seems (from my personal vantage point) to be much better.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 3&t=121418
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 8&start=27
Get unlimited access to all forums and topics
Register now!
I'm pretty sure I told you it's FREE...
Already a member? Login
-
- Posts: 1879
- Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:52 pm
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
There's a bunch of people who go to Berkeley on here who borderline lie about how good they are. There are also east coast trolls (MVP?) who bash them for no reason.mrmangs wrote:I love Berkeley, but I keep hearing conflicting information about all of this... Whelp, welcome to the internet I guess.
My two cents is that they're a solid cog in MVPB; they seem to underperform MVP a little bit in terms of hiring, but they have a ton of public service and Cali-only students, and their prestige holds up well in the peer surveys, so that balances out for me.
- ahduth
- Posts: 2467
- Joined: Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:55 am
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
I dunno, I drank some sort of weird Berkeley kool-aid apparently and now it just sounds like a great place to go to school. Why does it matter exactly if it's CCN B MVP or CCN MVP B or CCN MBVP or whatever?
Edit: for what it's worth, it's tied for 7th with Penn in the USNWR rankings.
Edit: for what it's worth, it's tied for 7th with Penn in the USNWR rankings.
-
- Posts: 312
- Joined: Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:03 am
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
Yes, because USNews rankings correspond directly with biglaw placement.ahduth wrote:I dunno, I drank some sort of weird Berkeley kool-aid apparently and now it just sounds like a great place to go to school. Why does it matter exactly if it's CCN B MVP or CCN MVP B or CCN MBVP or whatever?
Edit: for what it's worth, it's tied for 7th with Penn in the USNWR rankings.

The reason why Berkeley has worse biglaw placement ITE than MVP is because it gets much fewer East Coast firms at OCI and probably partly because of its grading system. (And don't respond with but you can "mass mail" biglaw firms. Unless you are IP or have top 10% grades or have some weird military background (like Marines or whatever), chances are you won't even get a screening interview.)
-
- Posts: 18203
- Joined: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:47 pm
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
YS - H - CCN- MVPDN-BC- Tex Van Gtown
Communicate now with those who not only know what a legal education is, but can offer you worthy advice and commentary as you complete the three most educational, yet challenging years of your law related post graduate life.
Register now, it's still FREE!
Already a member? Login
- Joga Bonito
- Posts: 301
- Joined: Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:46 pm
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
Y H S CC BN MVP DNC GtownVandyTex
-
- Posts: 10752
- Joined: Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:32 pm
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
So where is Berkeley in terms of pure IP?
-
- Posts: 18203
- Joined: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:47 pm
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
Boalt is putting significantly less people in big firms than schools it's supposed to be better than like NU and Duke. 30%? LOL Northwestern beat that by 20%, I'm sure Duke, Virginia and Michigan did too. Penn probably more than that.
It's a Georgetown peer school ITE.
It's a Georgetown peer school ITE.
- sundance95
- Posts: 2123
- Joined: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:44 pm
Re: What T14 grouping is Berkeley in?
--ImageRemoved--Joga Bonito wrote:Y H S CC BN MVP DNC GtownVandyTex
Seriously? What are you waiting for?
Now there's a charge.
Just kidding ... it's still FREE!
Already a member? Login