Is this list sufficient for a 3.0/(170-180) splitter? Forum

[Dr. Strangelove]

Yale
Harvard
Stanford
Columbia
Chicago
NYU
UC-Berkeley
Penn
Michigan
UVA
Duke
Northwestern
Cornell
Georgetown
UCLA
UT-Austin
Vanderbilt
USC
Wash U
George Washington
Illinois
Boston University
Emory
Minnesota
Notre Dame

[merichard87]

No.

[vanwinkle]

Yale
Harvard
Stanford
Columbia
Chicago
NYU
UC-Berkeley
Penn
Michigan
UVA
Duke
Northwestern
Cornell
Georgetown
UCLA
UT-Austin
Vanderbilt
USC
Wash U
George Washington
Illinois
Boston University
Emory
Minnesota
Notre Dame

Struck the schools that won't admit you absent a miracle due to low GPA. Rest is a good enough list.

[Tautology]

There's no need to include HYS (probably all the T6) even if you're 3.0/180. With that GPA though, you may want to target a bottom-T14 school and apply ED.

[jnorsky]

definitely apply to columbia and nyu (if you want) with a 175+, you have at least a shot at getting in.

[Teoeo]

[strike]Yale[/strike]
[strike]Harvard[/strike]
[strike]Stanford[/strike]
[strike]Columbia[/strike]
[strike]Chicago[/strike]
[strike]NYU[/strike]
[strike]UC-Berkeley[/strike]
Penn
Michigan
UVA
Duke
Northwestern
Cornell
Georgetown
[strike]UCLA[/strike]
[strike]UT-Austin[/strike]
Vanderbilt
USC
Wash U
George Washington
Illinois
[strike]Boston University[/strike]
Emory
Minnesota
Notre Dame

Struck the schools that won't admit you absent a miracle due to low GPA. Rest is a good enough list.

+1 - also do you have any idea where you want to live? Id probably strike schools like Minnesota // Illinois if you arent going to those markets.

[jdhonest]

A couple of years solid work experience may make up for the low GPA. It'd also give you time to see how the market shakes out, and let you decide if money from T15-T25, might be better than paying sticker at T6-T15.

also, the there's a pretty big difference between 170, 175, and 180.

[NayBoer]

also, the there's a pretty big difference between 170, 175, and 180.

Not really a big difference in terms of admissions prospects. 170 is enough for MVP & NG to look at you.

OP: Make sure to use ED to preferred T14. If you are actually 3.0 and not rounding up, it ought to work at VP (maybe M) and will work at NU with work experience. 171 would be better. 172+ would have seriously diminishing returns.

[09042014]

Only apply to HYSCCB if you have fee waivers. Even NYU is almost for sure a no, but they dip closer to 3.0.

Anything over 172+ doesn't have severely diminishing returns. Once you are over MVPNDCG's 75% lsat, it doesn't really help them at all.

[Tautology]

What schools don't like the 3.0

The ones he crossed out?

and which schools will over look with a nice LSAT?

The ones he did not cross out?

[Stringer Bell]

First off 170-180 is a broad range. No non-URM with a 3.0, 171 is getting into Chicago. But, a 3.0, 179 might have an outside chance.

If someone has a 3.0, 180, they shouldn't exclude applying to any schools if they have the money for app fees. There was a 3.1, 176 that got into Chicago last year and I'm pretty sure someone on this site got into NYU with a 3.0, 180 awhile back.

Now for somewhat realistic chances, MVPB on down minus Boalt, UT (if out of state), UCLA, and Duke is probably credited.

[NayBoer]

I'm pretty sure someone on this site got into NYU with a 3.0, 180 awhile back.

She got in really late in the cycle and her GPA bumped up closer to 3.2 by the time they admitted her, I think.

[Dr. Strangelove]

These are decently good signs. I just didn't want to have to apply to a zillion law schools.
It's going to come down to a personal decision between MVP if I apply ED (and get the right LSAT).
I hope I can visit all three at some point. Penn & UVA will be easier to visit than Michigan. (Live on east coast and attend college in the east coast)
I've been to all three campuses before but never the law schools.

[MURPH]

Take it from me (175, 298) you have got to apply very early. If I could do it over I'd have applied on Sept 1st instead of waiting until November. Be prepared to ride out the waitlist for a long time. Also as soon as you finish applying, begin to figure out scholarship and financial aid negotiations.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Take it from me (175, 298) you have got to apply very early. If I could do it over I'd have applied on Sept 1st instead of waiting until November. Be prepared to ride out the waitlist for a long time. Also as soon as you finish applying, begin to figure out scholarship and financial aid negotiations.

Am definitely going to apply ASAP.

I have another question.
Penn or UVA ED?
UVA is incredibly splitter friendly while Penn is mildly splitter friendly.
However, I think Penn might be a better fit for me academically. (Business law- the fact that I can also take classes at Wharton is very appealing.)
If I have a shot at Penn, I think I might want to take that route. I saw a 2.9/176 got accepted ED.

[vanwinkle]

Am definitely going to apply ASAP.

Applying ASAP is TCR.

I have another question.
Penn or UVA ED?
UVA is incredibly splitter friendly while Penn is mildly splitter friendly.
However, I think Penn might be a better fit for me academically. (Business law- the fact that I can also take classes at Wharton is very appealing.)
If I have a shot at Penn, I think I might want to take that route. I saw a 2.9/176 got accepted ED.

Unless you're actually getting a JD/MBA, the Wharton name is not going to be of real help to you. That's what really matters there, is the Wharton name, if you get an actual Wharton MBA. Just being like "Oh I took classes there" isn't going to give you anywhere near that kind of assistance.

Granted, taking business-oriented classes will be of help to you, but to that end, UVA has its Law and Business program which is a series of classes designed to dramatically increase your business knowledge and prepare you for corporate law. It's just an individual class-by-class basis; you get into the foundation class (Corporate Accounting/Finance) and then once you've finished it you can take any of the L&B advanced classes you want.

Because UVA's ED program runs later in the year, I'd suggest EDing to Penn first. If they WL or deny you (WL or deferral to RD pool is very possible) then you can turn around and immediately ED to UVA as soon as you hear. That way you get the best shot at both.

[pog]

Only apply to HYSCCB if you have fee waivers.

Getting fee waivers isn't all that easy. For Yale and Stanford you need to apply for a fee waiver, which can take some processing time. Some schools accept the LSAC fee waiver in lieu of their own fee waiver. Yale and Stanford, I know, does not.

For every school OP applies to you still have to pay the $12 LSDAS fee which can add up quite easily.

[09042014]

WL or deny you (WL or deferral to RD pool is very possible) then you can turn around and immediately ED to UVA as soon as you hear. That way you get the best shot at both.

But UVA's 15 day response makes it possible to UVA then Penn.

And UVA's standards for EDing earlier were a lot more lax than they were for EDing later in the year. I don't think 3.0 would get in ED after December at UVA. But who knows if they will keep this policy next year. They might not even keep the late ED.

With a 3.0, you don't really get to be picky about which T10 you get into. ED at UVA, then Penn, then GULC PT. This BTW is called the Waterman Maneuver.

[Rock Chalk]

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[Rock Chalk]

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[Dr. Strangelove]

With a 3.0, you don't really get to be picky about which T10 you get into. ED at UVA, then Penn, then GULC PT. This BTW is called the Waterman Maneuver.

I like the sound of that... Waterman Maneuver.
I know it's risky. I'll have to take a look at UVA's Law and Business program.
I wouldn't be getting a JD/MBA- I guess much of it matters by if Wharton is strong due to its quality or due to its reputation.

[09042014]

But UVA's 15 day response makes it possible to UVA then Penn.

And UVA's standards for EDing earlier were a lot more lax than they were for EDing later in the year. I don't think 3.0 would get in ED after December at UVA. But who knows if they will keep this policy next year. They might not even keep the late ED.

With a 3.0, you don't really get to be picky about which T10 you get into. ED at UVA, then Penn, then GULC PT. This BTW is called the Waterman Maneuver.

I could be wrong, but I assumed vanwinkle went Penn -> UVA because OP seems to like Penn more.

With a 3.0 its all about maximizing your chances of getting into the t14 because its hard.

I don't UVA ED after December will result in an acceptance.

[vanwinkle]

I wouldn't be getting a JD/MBA- I guess much of it matters by if Wharton is strong due to its quality or due to its reputation.

Wharton is strong due to both, but only the actual degree is strong. If you have "Wharton MBA" on your resume, you get the quality and reputation of Wharton on your resume. If you have "I took 3 classes at Wharton" on your resume it's going to earn you pretty much zero points with future employers.

[Dr. Strangelove]

http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/academ ... siness.htm
The UVA Law and Business program seems pretty strong too.
Time to study for that LSAT!

[Georgiana]

I wouldn't be getting a JD/MBA- I guess much of it matters by if Wharton is strong due to its quality or due to its reputation.

Wharton is strong due to both, but only the actual degree is strong. If you have "Wharton MBA" on your resume, you get the quality and reputation of Wharton on your resume. If you have "I took 3 classes at Wharton" on your resume it's going to earn you pretty much zero points with future employers.

Just as a side note, there is an official Wharton Certificate available to law students who don't/can't do the official MBA so you can get the name on your resume without having to say "oh PS look I took a class at Wharton."