UVA eliminates/extends ED deadline Forum

[Helmholtz]

While this might make UVA move up, why would this cause Michigan to fall all the way to 11 or 13 like some people are predicting? I have a hard time believing that Duke, Cornell, or Northwestern are going to outrank Michigan this year. Correct me?

It won't. Hell, Michigan has a much longer turnaround for ED apps and you're forced to start in the summer, a huge blockade for a lot of people who might have gone with ED. UVA has never outranked Michigan in the 2000's, although Michigan has been higher than them five times in that span.

[Space_Cowboy]

While this might make UVA move up, why would this cause Michigan to fall all the way to 11 or 13 like some people are predicting? I have a hard time believing that Duke, Cornell, or Northwestern are going to outrank Michigan this year. Correct me?

It won't. Hell, Michigan has a much longer turnaround for ED apps and you're forced to start in the summer, a huge blockade for a lot of people who might have gone with ED. UVA has never outranked Michigan in the 2000's, although Michigan has been higher than them five times in that span.

UVA gets killed in the expenditures category. Lowest in the T20.

EDIT: Ok, UCLA is the lowest in the of schools down to WUSTL. (http://agoraphilia.blogspot.com/2009/07 ... n-law.html)

[holborn]

While this might make UVA move up, why would this cause Michigan to fall all the way to 11 or 13 like some people are predicting? I have a hard time believing that Duke, Cornell, or Northwestern are going to outrank Michigan this year. Correct me?

It won't. Hell, Michigan has a much longer turnaround for ED apps and you're forced to start in the summer, a huge blockade for a lot of people who might have gone with ED. UVA has never outranked Michigan in the 2000's, although Michigan has been higher than them five times in that span.

I like that not everyone is predicting Michigan's downfall. However, what does Michigan's ED program have to do with it?

[Space_Cowboy]

While this might make UVA move up, why would this cause Michigan to fall all the way to 11 or 13 like some people are predicting? I have a hard time believing that Duke, Cornell, or Northwestern are going to outrank Michigan this year. Correct me?

It won't. Hell, Michigan has a much longer turnaround for ED apps and you're forced to start in the summer, a huge blockade for a lot of people who might have gone with ED. UVA has never outranked Michigan in the 2000's, although Michigan has been higher than them five times in that span.

I like that not everyone is predicting Michigan's downfall. However, what does Michigan's ED program have to do with it?

Its ED program puts it at a competitive disadvantage from a numbers standpoint.

[mango26]

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[Helmholtz]

While this might make UVA move up, why would this cause Michigan to fall all the way to 11 or 13 like some people are predicting? I have a hard time believing that Duke, Cornell, or Northwestern are going to outrank Michigan this year. Correct me?

It won't. Hell, Michigan has a much longer turnaround for ED apps and you're forced to start in the summer, a huge blockade for a lot of people who might have gone with ED. UVA has never outranked Michigan in the 2000's, although Michigan has been higher than them five times in that span.

UVA gets killed in the expenditures category. Lowest in the T20.

Yeah, I'm not really saying that Michigan is an objectively better school because of its USNWR ranking spot. I was just pointing to the fact that, frankly, Michigan's ED program sucks pretty bad compared to UVA even before UVA decided to blow the doors open with their March deadline. I don't see the newest change in the way they do things making that much of a dent.

[jackgrf]

While this might make UVA move up, why would this cause Michigan to fall all the way to 11 or 13 like some people are predicting? I have a hard time believing that Duke, Cornell, or Northwestern are going to outrank Michigan this year. Correct me?

It won't. Hell, Michigan has a much longer turnaround for ED apps and you're forced to start in the summer, a huge blockade for a lot of people who might have gone with ED. UVA has never outranked Michigan in the 2000's, although Michigan has been higher than them five times in that span.

UVA gets killed in the expenditures category. Lowest in the T20.

EDIT: Ok, UCLA is the lowest in the of schools down to WUSTL. (http://agoraphilia.blogspot.com/2009/07 ... n-law.html)

UVA gets killed by expenditures and faculty:student ratio.

[holborn]

Its ED program puts it at a competitive disadvantage from a numbers standpoint.

That makes sense. I think it was just the phrasing, as if his point about ED further validated his conclusion of 'no', that threw me. Michigan should really rethink their ED program.

[Space_Cowboy]

Its ED program puts it at a competitive disadvantage from a numbers standpoint.

That makes sense. I think it was just the phrasing, as if his point about ED further validated his conclusion of 'no', that threw me. Michigan should really rethink their ED program.

It seems to work for them. They need to fill those summer start slots (90). Plus, with ED candidates generally being the weaker crop of candidates its probably a good thing to ease them into law school with summer start.

[holborn]

Its ED program puts it at a competitive disadvantage from a numbers standpoint.

That makes sense. I think it was just the phrasing, as if his point about ED further validated his conclusion of 'no', that threw me. Michigan should really rethink their ED program.

It seems to work for them. They need to fill those summer start slots (90). Plus, with ED candidates generally being the weaker crop of candidates its probably a good thing to ease them into law school with summer start.

I guess thats true. But they can also assign ppl to summer start, even if they didn't apply ED. They could always assign "weaker" candidates to summer start who would likely take the spot anyway (even if they didnt want summer) b/c it will be the best offer they get.

[02082010]

Thank god they snagged me early RD.

[02082010]

Thank god they snagged me early RD.

Word. But srsly, where do we stand with all these ed kids? I would like some scholly money.

If they accept more ppl ED, therefore don't have to give out any/as much merit aid to those people, it only increases our chances for $$. Some URM 172 3.2 got the full Dean's scholly. They can throw me at least half-tuition, right?

[02082010]

Thank god they snagged me early RD.

Word. But srsly, where do we stand with all these ed kids? I would like some scholly money.

If they accept more ppl ED, therefore don't have to give out any/as much merit aid to those people, it only increases our chances for $$. Some URM 172 3.2 got the full Dean's scholly. They can throw me at least half-tuition, right?

One can only hope. Still, as you'll be attending Chicago, this discussion is moot.

We all have our dreams!

[CE2JD]

While this might make UVA move up, why would this cause Michigan to fall all the way to 11 or 13 like some people are predicting? I have a hard time believing that Duke, Cornell, or Northwestern are going to outrank Michigan this year. Correct me?

It won't. Hell, Michigan has a much longer turnaround for ED apps and you're forced to start in the summer, a huge blockade for a lot of people who might have gone with ED. UVA has never outranked Michigan in the 2000's, although Michigan has been higher than them five times in that span.

UVA gets killed in the expenditures category. Lowest in the T20.

EDIT: Ok, UCLA is the lowest in the of schools down to WUSTL. (http://agoraphilia.blogspot.com/2009/07 ... n-law.html)

UVA gets killed by expenditures and faculty:student ratio.

which is bullshit IMO

[09042014]

UVA gets killed by expenditures and faculty:student ratio.

which is bullshit IMO

+1

Why is recklessly wasting tuition money a positive on USNWR? IMO low tuition should be a positive factor on USNWR.

[02082010]

We all have our dreams!

I'm still waiting for a gigantic comet to strike me dead.

BTW: when are you getting rid of that craptastic avatar?

Sunday. I made a bet with PKSebben on the UC/Florida game. New Orleans was a great time, minus the actual game.

[Helmholtz]

UVA gets killed by expenditures and faculty:student ratio.

which is bullshit IMO

Taking only peer/practitioner assessment scores and LSAT/GPA, top ten is:

Yale
Harvard
Stanford
Columbia
Chicago
NYU
UCB
Michigan
UVA
Penn

Does UVA get a boost when expenditures and faculty:student ratio aren't factors? Sure, one whole spot.

[02082010]

UVA gets killed by expenditures and faculty:student ratio.

which is bullshit IMO

Taking only peer/practitioner assessment scores and LSAT/GPA, top ten is:

Yale
Harvard
Stanford
Columbia
Chicago
NYU
UCB
Michigan
UVA
Penn

Does UVA get a boost when expenditures and faculty:student ratio aren't factors? Sure, one whole spot.

Get out of here with your facts and figures! I may be attending UVA in the fall.

[keg411]

I don't get it. Is this a splitter-friendly decision? More fuel for my Feb. LSAT at the very least (even though UVA doesn't take sub3.0's, it's nice to dream; why can't Northwestern do this ).

[jcunni5]

If u add lawyer/judge rating I think uva goes to 7 leitner or someone did rankings like that

[Helmholtz]

If u add lawyer/judge rating I think uva goes to 7 leitner or someone did rankings like that

That includes lawyer/judge for the latest USNWR.

[CE2JD]

UVA gets killed by expenditures and faculty:student ratio.

which is bullshit IMO

Taking only peer/practitioner assessment scores and LSAT/GPA, top ten is:

Yale
Harvard
Stanford
Columbia
Chicago
NYU
UCB
Michigan
UVA
Penn

Does UVA get a boost when expenditures and faculty:student ratio aren't factors? Sure, one whole spot.

This is 100% false.

because i don't agree with it

[kurama20]

UVA gets killed by expenditures and faculty:student ratio.

which is bullshit IMO

Taking only peer/practitioner assessment scores and LSAT/GPA, top ten is:

Yale
Harvard
Stanford
Columbia
Chicago
NYU
UCB
Michigan
UVA
Penn

Does UVA get a boost when expenditures and faculty:student ratio aren't factors? Sure, one whole spot.

This is 100% false.

because i don't agree with it

If you go to lawyer/judge scores (which is what matters) it looks like this. lol as if LSAT/GPA matrix is as definitive in hiring as the schools legal prestige. The peer scores are even worse because they fluctuate madly based on who's hiring the "hottest" faculty--not on job placement or legal prestige. That's the thing I love most about US News--hilarious. What's most interesting is how consistently UVA has been at a 4.6 lawyer judge. It's been that way since 06, the school doesn't just have a higher lawyer/judge than NYU and Boalt, but it has had it consistently for years. NYU and Boalt are not stronger schools than Michigan and UVA at all if you look at real world prestige and placement metrics. Where they outdo Mich and UVA is with "hot" faculty, barely higher LSAT ranges, better faculty to student ratio, and faculty expenditures.

1.Yale 4.8
1.Harvard 4.8
1. Stanford 4.8
4.Columbia 4.6
4.Chicago 4.6
4.UVA 4.6
6.Michigan 4.5
6.NYU 4.5
6.Boalt 4.5
10.Duke 4.4
10.Penn 4.4
10.GULC 4.4
13.NU 4.3
13.Cornell 4.3

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... =5&t=83424

[HERetICal]

Anyone have any prediction for how this will affect VA resident applicants vs. non-resident applicants?

[Helmholtz]

The results of lawyer/judge surveys (with their ~30% response rate) collected by a second rate news magazine probably isn't the best crutch to keep leaning on when trying to prove legal prestige.