Non-elite UG: a T-6 killer? Forum

[badfish]

It shouldn't matter. I had a similar undergrad and similar stats. I was accepted outright into Chicago and NYU and withdrew from CLS after being wait-listed and I suspect I would have gotten in there as well.

I chose NYU.

May I ask, just curious -- why NYU over U-Chi?

I don't buy into implication that Chi is so academically superior to NYU that it should dictate my decision. Also, I have an existing network in NYC, whereas I would only have law school friends in Chicago.

[paratactical]

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[ndnlawdc]

Stanford seems to be strongly biased towards T10 - T20 undergrads. it looks like every LSN admit is a top school, except for one military:

http://stanford.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats

it seems like they want 170/3.9/elite u-grad over 175/3.9/mediocre ugrad

I went to a true TTT and got into Harvard, Stanford, NYU, and Chicago (deferred at Columbia). I'm at Stanford.

[englawyer]

Stanford seems to be strongly biased towards T10 - T20 undergrads. it looks like every LSN admit is a top school, except for one military:

http://stanford.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats

it seems like they want 170/3.9/elite u-grad over 175/3.9/mediocre ugrad

I went to a true TTT and got into Harvard, Stanford, NYU, and Chicago (deferred at Columbia). I'm at Stanford.

you are an inspiration to TTT u-grad folks everywhere (me included)

[AngryAvocado]

I went to a TTT undergrad and was actually, literally sneered at for it at UChi (this was after being admitted).

seriously?

Yeah, this sort of surprises me. Any current UChi students (DD? doyle?) want to weigh in?

I've talked about it (briefly) with Dres, and she has not had any similar experiences. My impression was that no school cares more about capital-A "Academics" as UChi. Being a generally cool person with some well-rounded achievements counts far less there than at other schools, and by contrast high grades from a respected undergrad program counts more.

Isn't the GPA 25/50/75 at U-Chi relatively low? I wonder if that's because either
A) high GPAs from TTT don't impress them as much or
B) the whole academic/GPA focus at U-Chi is a little overstated?

[babaghanouj]

The fact that you consider my stance about NYU as "anti NYU" says a lot. Here is what I say/have said about NYU.

1. It is a very strong school, but it's not any stronger than Mich, UVA, or Boalt for someone who doesn't have NYC as their main focus. The legal field doesn't look at NYU as being any different than MBVP outside of NYC.
2. Unlike CC it doesn't outdo MBVP in every facet--only in one facet (NYC biglaw)--making it a great school but no better than MBVP.
3. This is actually reflected in the holy grail of US News. NYU has NEVER had a higher lawyer/judge score than CC and it was actually tied with Duke, Cornell, and GULC in assessment score in 2006. From 2006 onwards it has NEVER been higher than UVA in lawyer/judge scores and was actually lower in 06 and another year since then. It has also NEVER been higher than Michigan in LJ scores and has only been higher than Boalt twice in that period.
4. Awesome school, but hyped up to a level on TLS that is a bit insane (ie people answering NYU v. Michigan questions for people not interested in NYC with things like "OMG NYU is a top 5! You won't have to be top 20 percent at a top 5 to get great DC or Cali biglaw like you will at Michigan! "

Ah yes, the four tenets of kuramaism. Don't worry, we remember: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&start=25

[Reedie]

Man it's crazy so many people get so passionate about these silly marginal differences between schools. Whether NYU is better than Michigan or not depends mainly on what you want to do, and how much you would enjoy going to them. TLS posters sometimes take the rankings a bit too seriously I think.

I'm curious about the critique that NYU isn't good if you don't what to do NYC big law. I always thought of Columbia as a place that really shines because of its placement at top New York firms.

With your LSAT and a GPA that won't hurt their numbers, you should be a strong candidate at all the "T6." Were I you I'd be more interested in trying to pull in some financial support from somewhere which should be possible, but to each their own.