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Post by Monochromatic Oeuvre » Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:25 am

bpolley0 wrote:See that is the PR version. I was thinking the opposite- it's a business move. They have guaranteed renters forever, they can charge below market rates so they have a comparative advantage (in fact they could theoretically charge whatever they want), and once they pay off the lease they have low fixed costs/ overhead. It's a win win for the university/ it's students but a loss to other renters.

Just my thoughts. Any time anyone says they are doing something to "help the community" or for some righteous cause I get skeptical.

As far as tution goes all that would need to happen is students refuse to borrow money then they would be forced to lower tution as the class rooms would be empty........... It isn't as if Universities have a monopoly over information......

Anyways enough commentary more medians.
It's all business. It's not true that they can charge whatever they want--go too high and more kids will suck it up and take the painful commute into a really shitty part of Harlem to save the money. So they keep it just low enough so it's worth your while to stay here.

Tuition, on the other hand, is not a market, and if you don't like it, they'll replace you with one of the literally thousands of kids who will pay sticker, which 57% of the school does. And as long as students will turn down, among who knows what else, $81k from Duke, or $90k from Northwestern, or $90k from Chicago or a Cornell full ride, it won't matter enough to make a difference.

ETA: And that's why my "class gift" to CLS will be a steaming dump in a box. Enjoy, you miserable pricks.

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Post by Nekrowizard » Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:31 am

LOL at passing up $90k at Chicago for Columbia sticker.

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Post by star fox » Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:14 pm

Nekrowizard wrote:LOL at passing up $90k at Chicago for Columbia sticker.
Take the Cornell full ride.

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Post by JCougar » Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:44 pm

I can't believe somebody turned down a full ride at Cornell for Columbia sticker. How many years in Biglaw with NYC rent does it take to pay off $270K in debt (likely closer to $300K due to loan origination fees and interest accrued while you are in school).

You'd need to basically make partner. Even if you can manage to pay back $50K per year, it would take you 7 years once you account for accruing interest. Sure, your 5th and 6th year bonus might be close to that big, but by then, you'll probably have a family or kids, and need a more expensive place, pay for school, etc.

And of course, your chances of making it to years 5 and 6 are less than 50%.

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Post by RareExports » Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:29 pm

I know medians were already posted, but I don't think 25th/75th has been yet.

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Males make up 58.25% of the class. This is only the second time in the last four years that the entering class has been less than 64% male.

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Post by Nekrowizard » Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:41 pm

I could maybe see a scenario where a person of a certain type (one whose parents are fully loaded) turn down full-ride Cornell for CLS. Are there opportunities available from CLS that aren't from Cornell? I have no idea. Maybe...? But I don't see any scenario where it makes sense to turn down money at Chicago for sticker CLS unless your mother is on her deathbed at Mount Sinai. Outcomes from both are probably about as identical as it gets, with Chicago having an edge in clerkships/academia.

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Post by star fox » Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:50 pm

Nekrowizard wrote:I could maybe see a scenario where a person of a certain type (one whose parents are fully loaded) turn down full-ride Cornell for CLS. Are there opportunities available from CLS that aren't from Cornell? I have no idea. Maybe...? But I don't see any scenario where it makes sense to turn down money at Chicago for sticker CLS unless your mother is on her deathbed at Mount Sinai. Outcomes from both are probably about as identical as it gets, with Chicago having an edge in clerkships/academia.
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Post by Nekrowizard » Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:52 pm

Hey, you don't have to deal with the shame of telling your parents you work at White & Case.

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Post by deant286 » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:39 pm

Nekrowizard wrote:LOL at passing up $90k at Chicago for Columbia sticker.
Can someone explain to me why this person should have taken the 90k at Chicago?

I understand encouraging 90k at Chicago over 0 at Columbia, but in a vacuum isn't that still more debt than the averege TLS user will ever recommend? Their debt will be ~ 200k, right? And they're going to get the same 160k big law jobs that they'd get coming out of like Cornell, right? (But presumably with much less debt) So why even point to that as a good choice?

And if Chicago at that much debt is a good option, why wouldn't UVA or Cornell or Duke or wherever else that places well into big law be a good option at that debt? Is it really that much more of a sure thing coming from Chicago?

I'm genuinely curious. Please help dispel my ignorance.

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Post by star fox » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:42 pm

deant286 wrote:
Nekrowizard wrote:LOL at passing up $90k at Chicago for Columbia sticker.
Can someone explain to me why this person should have taken the 90k at Chicago?

I understand encouraging 90k at Chicago over 0 at Columbia, but in a vacuum isn't that still more debt than the averege TLS user will ever recommend? Their debt will be ~ 200k, right? And they're going to get the same 160k big law jobs that they'd get coming out of like Cornell, right? (But presumably with much less debt) So why even point to that as a good choice?

And if Chicago at that much debt is a good option, why wouldn't UVA or Cornell or Duke or wherever else that places well into big law be a good option at that debt? Is it really that much more of a sure thing coming from Chicago?

I'm genuinely curious. Please help dispel my ignorance.
I think it's just a "you're not even winning the prestige-whore off" by passing up $90 K of scholarship money there.

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Post by Mack.Hambleton » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:49 pm

deant286 wrote:
Nekrowizard wrote:LOL at passing up $90k at Chicago for Columbia sticker.
Can someone explain to me why this person should have taken the 90k at Chicago?

I understand encouraging 90k at Chicago over 0 at Columbia, but in a vacuum isn't that still more debt than the averege TLS user will ever recommend? Their debt will be ~ 200k, right? And they're going to get the same 160k big law jobs that they'd get coming out of like Cornell, right? (But presumably with much less debt) So why even point to that as a good choice?

And if Chicago at that much debt is a good option, why wouldn't UVA or Cornell or Duke or wherever else that places well into big law be a good option at that debt? Is it really that much more of a sure thing coming from Chicago?

I'm genuinely curious. Please help dispel my ignorance.
This is all speculation. The LSN profile doesn't say anything about whether they have outside help and they may have even gotten scholarships at NYU and Columbia and not listed them. Who knows how much debt they will have and what their situation and goals are.

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Post by deant286 » Fri Sep 18, 2015 5:11 pm

Mack.Hambleton wrote:
This is all speculation. The LSN profile doesn't say anything about whether they have outside help and they may have even gotten scholarships at NYU and Columbia and not listed them. Who knows how much debt they will have and what their situation and goals are.
Is there a general consensus about how much debt is too much debt for t14 big law or bust? Maybe that's a little closer to what I was trying to get at.

I just didn't understand the encouragement to take 90k at Chicago (or the other poster suggesting Duke at 80k, etc.) over Columbia sticker because it seems like those options all run contrary to popular TLS belief. But I guess it may have been the lesser of two evils?

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Post by lawadmin » Fri Sep 18, 2015 5:22 pm

Some updates (some of this is already on the site, but should make it easier to update the excel sheet)


94 South Carolina
http://www.law.sc.edu/admissions/2015-e ... rofile.pdf

152 (0) / 154 (-1) / 157 (0)
3.00 (+.05) / 3.30 (+.07) / 3.56 (+.02)
202 (-11)


Louisiana State University 94
https://www.law.lsu.edu/admissions/faq/
Medians Only

155 (0)
3.48 (+.25)
172 (-28)


Northeastern 87
http://www.northeastern.edu/law/about/quickfacts.html

151 (-2) / 161 (0) / 162 (0)
3.30 (+.05) / 3.55 (+.02) / 3.73 (+.05)
142 (+16)

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Post by star fox » Fri Sep 18, 2015 5:23 pm

Ideally about $150K debt pre interest would be your maximum but gotta do what you gotta do if that's not on the table and a re-take won't help.

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Post by alexjinye » Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:56 pm

2014 wrote:UChi to #4 alone bros it's happening
How come?

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Post by 2014 » Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:57 pm

We were tied last year when Columbia had higher medians, ours held theirs dropped. Our employment stats are strong for this rendition too.

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Drake 113
http://www.law.drake.edu/admissions/?pa ... assProfile

148 (0)/ 151 (-1) / 154 (-2)
3.00 (+.03) / 3.29 (+.04) / 3.59 (+.06)
102 (-4)

Akron 127
https://www.uakron.edu/law/admissions/statistics.dot

152 (-1)
3.25 (-.16)
147 (+31)

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Nebraska 56 [25/75 added for both]
http://law.unl.edu/prospective/class-profiles/

151 (-1) / 156 (0) / 158 (-1)
3.41 () / 3.66 (-.01) / 3.87 (-.01)
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Skyrocketing TTT class sizes make me sad.
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Post by Rigo » Sun Sep 20, 2015 6:14 pm

Updated.

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Post by Huskies13! » Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:26 pm

Fordham:
http://www.fordham.edu/info/21183/selection_criteria
Full Time:
163 (0)
3.53 (-.01)
Part Time
159 (-2)
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