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PeanutsNJam · Post by **PeanutsNJam** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:31 am

I know this is OT but in light of these #'s (from 2013 too), I don't understand ATL's rankings. Especially why they refuse to account for merit-based scholarships (for which there is data), and put USC at rank 30-something when BL placement is like 30% of the criteria.

starry eyed · Post by **starry eyed** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:29 am

rpupkin wrote:
twenty 8 wrote:
rpupkin wrote:In the case of CLS, I think we can safely assume that it was thrown off guard by the Penn/Cornell numbers.
Given that Penn and Cornell are the top schools when it comes to employment (without the necessity of SFJ) you have to believe that they both belong in the coveted T6…especially since they place their grads at really good paying firms.
Correct. NYU and Yale? I hope you enjoyed your T6 ride while it lasted. Penn and Cornell? Welcome to the club!

Everything has changed, kids. It's not your father's T6 anymore.

FSK · Post by **FSK** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:39 am

Even of the % of jobs isn't as in favor of columbia as before, it still has way more placement power. Take a look at the Summer class distirbutions thread. CLS seems to place its students into more pretfigious opprotunitities.

starry eyed · Post by **starry eyed** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:47 am

DAT VAULT THO

JFO1833 · Post by **JFO1833** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:29 am

Two new ones:

94: Louisiana State - BL+FC-9.6% (-1.4%), FTLTBR-68.4% (3.3%), FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-68.4% (3.3%)
RNP: Southern University - BL+FC-1.8% (1.3%), FTLTBR-27.3% (4.5%), FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-27.3% (4.5%)

LurkerShirker · Post by **LurkerShirker** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:18 am

Boston U -- http://www.bu.edu/law/prospective/caree ... ebsite.pdf

Tiago Splitter · Post by **Tiago Splitter** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:35 am

PeanutsNJam wrote:A class rank/income regression would be so baller to have. You'd have a strong dip at the top for fed clerks but that information + current employment stats would shed a lot of light on outcomes, since not all same-category jobs are the same.

If a school you are interested in doesn't release its NALP Report, push them to do so before you attend. It won't show income by class rank but it does give pretty detailed salary data based on job type and location.

JFO1833 · Post by **JFO1833** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:01 am

Will have comparisons to last year later today:

22: Iowa - BL+FC-19%, FTLTBR-77%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-77%
http://law.uiowa.edu/files/law.uiowa.ed ... -14-15.pdf

26: Boston University - BL+FC-36%, FTLTBR-73%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-68%
http://www.bu.edu/law/prospective/caree ... ebsite.pdf

RNP: Detroit Mercy - BL+FC-4%, FTLTBR-34%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-34%

Wattz · Post by **Wattz** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:18 am

Utah:
https://app.box.com/s/0k24bowgmtr8fiyreei22tvkvuxblwa9

JFO1833 · Post by **JFO1833** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:27 am

42: Utah - BL+FC-7%, FTLTBR-63%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-63%
https://app.box.com/s/0k24bowgmtr8fiyreei22tvkvuxblwa9

RNP: New England Law - BL+FC-2%, FTLTBR-38%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-38%

Mozart Lacrimosa · Post by **Mozart Lacrimosa** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:30 am

Tiago Splitter wrote:
PeanutsNJam wrote:A class rank/income regression would be so baller to have. You'd have a strong dip at the top for fed clerks but that information + current employment stats would shed a lot of light on outcomes, since not all same-category jobs are the same.
If a school you are interested in doesn't release its NALP Report, push them to do so before you attend. It won't show income by class rank but it does give pretty detailed salary data based on job type and location.

Is this a red flag? Are there legitimate [non scam] reasons for not releasing the NALP report?

starry eyed · Post by **starry eyed** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:32 am

Mozart Lacrimosa wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:
PeanutsNJam wrote:A class rank/income regression would be so baller to have. You'd have a strong dip at the top for fed clerks but that information + current employment stats would shed a lot of light on outcomes, since not all same-category jobs are the same.
If a school you are interested in doesn't release its NALP Report, push them to do so before you attend. It won't show income by class rank but it does give pretty detailed salary data based on job type and location.
Is this a red flag? Are there legitimate [non scam] reasons for not releasing the NALP report?

it can't be good relative to the ABA report... if a school has good info on itself, it will let people know

i would expect a school to be eager to release a NALP report if a lot of its grads went to 2-50 firm boutiques but ABA reports don't reflect them as prestigious as high paying

JFO1833 · Post by **JFO1833** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:35 am

52: Tennessee - BL+FC-13%, FTLTBR-55%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-55%
56: Georgia State - BL+FC-16%, FTLTBR-69%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-69%
67: Kansas - BL+FC-12%, FTLTBR-66%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-66%
149: Southern Illinois - BL+FC-2%, FTLTBR-62%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-61%

We now have data from 184 out of 203 schools.

Tiago Splitter · Post by **Tiago Splitter** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:51 am

Mozart Lacrimosa wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:
PeanutsNJam wrote:A class rank/income regression would be so baller to have. You'd have a strong dip at the top for fed clerks but that information + current employment stats would shed a lot of light on outcomes, since not all same-category jobs are the same.
If a school you are interested in doesn't release its NALP Report, push them to do so before you attend. It won't show income by class rank but it does give pretty detailed salary data based on job type and location.
Is this a red flag? Are there legitimate [non scam] reasons for not releasing the NALP report?

I can't think of any. As starry eyed said the NALP report is a good way to see the quality of the jobs we don't count in the 100+/Fed clerk category.

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:53 am

Great job JFO. Hopefully you'll be around for median season.

BigZuck · Post by **BigZuck** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:18 am

I guess UT really is going to wait until after the deposit deadline passes...

runinthefront · Post by **runinthefront** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:20 am

If the employment rate went up, UT's CSO would've definitely released them by now--especially when it competes with so many other schools for quality applicants. This is not good news.

TheodoreKGB · Post by **TheodoreKGB** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:21 am

exitoptions · Post by **exitoptions** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:28 am

runinthefront wrote:If the employment rate went up, UT's CSO would've definitely released them by now--especially when it competes with so many other schools for quality applicants. This is not good news.

Same for Columbia?

starry eyed · Post by **starry eyed** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:30 am

BigZuck wrote:I guess UT really is going to wait until after the deposit deadline passes...

if they do, it's about to get crazy in here

BrazilBandit · Post by **BrazilBandit** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:30 am

TheodoreKGB wrote:
BigZuck wrote:I guess UT really is going to wait until after the deposit deadline passes...
That is fucking atrocious

This is the email I got from the CSO last thursday:

"Dear XXXXXXXXX,

Welcome to Texas Law! The Class of 2014 Career and Employment Statistics will be available online on or before April 15, 2015. Please visit our Career and Employment Statistics page next week to view updated statistics and hiring employer lists.

If you need anything else, please let us know."

In theory, they have until the end of the day to comply with their own "deadline"

starry eyed · Post by **starry eyed** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:31 am

your move UT

runinthefront · Post by **runinthefront** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:33 am

exitoptions wrote:
runinthefront wrote:If the employment rate went up, UT's CSO would've definitely released them by now--especially when it competes with so many other schools for quality applicants. This is not good news.
Same for Columbia?

Columbia is different; for the highest LSAT scorers, Columbia is only competing with roughly ~8 schools or so.

Texas is competing with the entire T14 + all the regional Texas schools + Vanderbilt+ regional west coast schools (because for some reason, many kids in TX want to work on the west coast and many people on the west coast think that going to UT will bring them back to the west coast)...all for the same LSAT score/GPA band.

This is just not the case for Columbia. There's different dynamics at play.

TheodoreKGB · Post by **TheodoreKGB** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:36 am

banjo · Post by **banjo** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:43 am

Columbia's NLJ250 rate--which underreports BL placement and doesn't include clerkships--was 66%, topping the list. CLS is obviously going to end up in the 70s. They're probably just delayed because they have their mega EIP info session for the 1Ls this week.

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