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[TheodoreKGB]

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[BrazilBandit]

It wasn't very specific, but the CSO hosted a little "seminar" on employment with 2013 numbers and at one point Mr. Montoya started referring to the 2014 Data he already had. He mentioned how there was no significant change in any category, except that unemployment decreased, but mostly because most of those people are simply "underemployed" (aka Short Term or Part Time JD Required) instead of unemployed - seeking. Based on my email conversation with the CSO office ( I asked them for the report before making my decision) we will know tomorrow...

[JFO1833]

Thanks to everyone above:

59: Missouri - BL+FC-14%, FTLTBR-64%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-64%
149: Texas A&M - BL+FC-1%, FTLTBR-46%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-46%
RNP: Faulkner - BL+FC-0%, FTLTBR-37%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-37%
RNP: St. Mary's - BL+FC-2%, FTLTBR-50%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-50%

Totals (172/203): BL+FC-17%, FTLTBR-58%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-56%

[rpupkin]

Texas A&M - BL+FC-1%, FTLTBR-46%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-46%

These are brutally disappointing numbers for UT. Man, my prediction was WAY off.

[JFO1833]

These are brutally disappointing numbers for UT. Man, my prediction was WAY off.

This is Texas A&M not UT

[monsterman]

what a fucking crime that some of these schools are allowed to remain open. seriously fuck the ABA.

[hairbear7]

These are brutally disappointing numbers for UT. Man, my prediction was WAY off.

This is Texas A&M not UT

Whoosh

[MT Cicero]

Texas A&M - BL+FC-1%, FTLTBR-46%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-46%

These are brutally disappointing numbers for UT. Man, my prediction was WAY off.

The fighting JoePa's over at Penn State are KILLIN' IT though!

[Julius]

SLS takes the top spot in clerkships this year.

SLS: 60(57 federal)/187 grads = 30.5% of grads had federal clerkships
Yale: 65(59 federal)/230 grads = 25.7% of grads had federal clerkships

[nothingtosee]

SLS takes the top spot in clerkships this year.

SLS: 60(57 federal)/187 grads = 30.4% of grads had federal clerkships
Yale: 65(59 federal)/230 grads = 25.7% of grads had federal clerkships

All of the clerkship numbers seem a little different than the other numbers.

[JFO1833]

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[star fox]

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/profess ... /stats/jd/

Northwestern more comprehensive Salary data.

Couple notes:

6 figures is down from about 67 % to 64 % which is about what I anticipated with fewer JD-Advantage, Business Industry placement.

50-100 Firms report higher salaries than 101-250 consistently across years. To the extent this is true across schools 50+ firms (which are rare to get out of law school) could probably be added into "good outcomes" category.

Combined 6 figures + Fed Clerks is 73.54 %.

<$40K = adding 6 reported 21 Unemployed + 1 pursuing Grad Degree FT + 9 not reporting salary (1 Solo, 1 2-10 law firm, 1 Judicial Clerk... International Court?, 2 Public Interest/Government, 3 Business/Industry, 1 Education) = 12.7 %. and Under $60K = 24 %. Aside from the Clerk all those other unreported salaries are probably shit.

With about 1/8 of the class being seriously boned, really just hammers home why paying sticker anywhere is risky as hell.

It'd be cool if everyone released this more comprehensive data to get a clearer picture of things.

[MT Cicero]

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/profess ... /stats/jd/

Northwestern more comprehensive Salary data.

Couple notes:

6 figures is down from about 67 % to 64 % which is about what I anticipated with fewer JD-Advantage, Business Industry placement.

50-100 Firms report higher salaries than 101-250 consistently across years. To the extent this is true across schools 50+ firms (which are rare to get out of law school) could probably be added into "good outcomes" category.

Combined 6 figures + Fed Clerks is 73.54 %.

<$40K = adding 6 reported 21 Unemployed + 1 pursuing Grad Degree FT + 9 not reporting salary (1 Solo, 1 2-10 law firm, 1 Judicial Clerk... International Court?, 2 Public Interest/Government, 3 Business/Industry, 1 Education) = 12.7 %. and Under $60K = 24 %. Aside from the Clerk all those other unreported salaries are probably shit.

With about 1/8 of the class being seriously boned, really just hammers home why paying sticker anywhere is risky as hell.

It'd be cool if everyone released this more comprehensive data to get a clearer picture of things.

Agree. I like the breakdowns, especially when trying to parse out the top schools' actual outcomes.

Also, if we took the JD-MBAs out of the numerator & denominator for NU and just looked at JDs, we'd have: FTLTBR = 85%, -LSF = 82%, BL + FC = 68%. I think these are more accurate numbers given the distinct difference of the JD-MBA program. There hasn't been a single federal clerk in 5 years of JD-MBAs, for example.

[twenty 8]

In the case of CLS, I think we can safely assume that it was thrown off guard by the Penn/Cornell numbers.

Given that Penn and Cornell are the top schools when it comes to employment (without the necessity of SFJ) you have to believe that they both belong in the coveted T6…especially since they place their grads at really good paying firms.

It will be interesting to see how USNWR handles this. Ditto with the upcoming ATL rankings.

[Username123]

JFO1833 for president.

[star fox]

Moral of the story: Bid NYC?

[Chrstgtr]

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/profess ... /stats/jd/

Northwestern more comprehensive Salary data.

Couple notes:

6 figures is down from about 67 % to 64 % which is about what I anticipated with fewer JD-Advantage, Business Industry placement.

50-100 Firms report higher salaries than 101-250 consistently across years. To the extent this is true across schools 50+ firms (which are rare to get out of law school) could probably be added into "good outcomes" category.

Combined 6 figures + Fed Clerks is 73.54 %.

<$40K = adding 6 reported 21 Unemployed + 1 pursuing Grad Degree FT + 9 not reporting salary (1 Solo, 1 2-10 law firm, 1 Judicial Clerk... International Court?, 2 Public Interest/Government, 3 Business/Industry, 1 Education) = 12.7 %. and Under $60K = 24 %. Aside from the Clerk all those other unreported salaries are probably shit.

With about 1/8 of the class being seriously boned, really just hammers home why paying sticker anywhere is risky as hell.

It'd be cool if everyone released this more comprehensive data to get a clearer picture of things.

Notably the greatest difference from 2013 is 6% less of graduates ended up in NY. Probably just variance noise but could be some self-selection out of NYC to other markets.

[zombie mcavoy]

So I see vandy dropped significantly, kind of

time to strike while the iron is hot, UT

[zombie mcavoy]

also what's going on iowa?

trouble in the land of corn and *incredible* libraries?

[twenty 8]

Texas A&M - BL+FC-1%, FTLTBR-46%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-46%

These are brutally disappointing numbers for UT. Man, my prediction was WAY off.

The fighting JoePa's over at Penn State are KILLIN' IT though!

You do know that Penn and Penn State are not one and the same?

[Mack.Hambleton]

Texas A&M - BL+FC-1%, FTLTBR-46%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-46%

These are brutally disappointing numbers for UT. Man, my prediction was WAY off.

The fighting JoePa's over at Penn State are KILLIN' IT though!

You do know that Penn and Penn State are not one and the same?

[PeanutsNJam]

A class rank/income regression would be so baller to have. You'd have a strong dip at the top for fed clerks but that information + current employment stats would shed a lot of light on outcomes, since not all same-category jobs are the same.

[idontknow1]

JFO1833 for president.

+1 I can't stop looking at all this data.

[rpupkin]

In the case of CLS, I think we can safely assume that it was thrown off guard by the Penn/Cornell numbers.

Given that Penn and Cornell are the top schools when it comes to employment (without the necessity of SFJ) you have to believe that they both belong in the coveted T6…especially since they place their grads at really good paying firms.

Correct. NYU and Yale? I hope you enjoyed your T6 ride while it lasted. Penn and Cornell? Welcome to the club!

Everything has changed, kids. It's not your father's T6 anymore.

[rpupkin]

also what's going on iowa?

I don't blame Iowa for the delay. I just assume that all of their administrative resources are completely consumed by the task of figuring out a way to rescind DaRascal's offer of admission.