C/O 2017 Median LSAT/GPA/Class Size Forum

[runinthefront]

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[xSOCALJDx]

Georgetown probably could have kept the 168 with a lower GPA. However, I'm sure in order to maintain their usual 580 class size they decided they would lower their median by one. Last year they kept their 168 but with 540 people, they didn't like the total amount of people slipping.

[should-i-do-it]

Spreadsheet still has mistakes for 2016 data

[Rigo]

Spreadsheet still has mistakes for 2016 data

Sometimes it's best/easiest to just move on.

Let's aim for no mistakes with this year's data so next year we'll be perfect.

ETA: And let's be honest: TLS is very Tier 1-centric so as long as the spreadsheet is accurate there, it serves its purpose for the vast majority of people who would want to consult it.

[First Offense]

Spreadsheet still has mistakes for 2016 data

Sometimes it's best/easiest to just move on.

Let's aim for no mistakes with this year's data so next year we'll be perfect.

ETA: And let's be honest: TLS is very Tier 1-centric so as long as the spreadsheet is accurate there, it serves its purpose for the vast majority of people who would want to consult it.

Eh - macro data of number of matriculants and stuff is relevant too, as well as +/- of students year over year to determine which schools to bash.

[rebexness]

Spreadsheet still has mistakes for 2016 data

If it makes you happier, I'd be more than willing to stop updating any part of the spreadsheet.

[Rigo]

Spreadsheet still has mistakes for 2016 data

If it makes you happier, I'd be more than willing to stop updating any part of the spreadsheet.

Haters gon hate, but you've been great!

[DCNTUA]

how the fuck do they expect to place 580 grads in decent jobs? How?

They think they're Harvard.

[LurkerShirker]

how the fuck do they expect to place 580 grads in decent jobs? How?

They think they're Harvard.

More like placing 700 plus with transfers added.

[Gucci Mane]

Odds that Georgetown drops out of the USNWR top 14 this year?

[el madrileno]

Odds that Georgetown drops out of the USNWR top 14 this year?

Low unless UT has Columbia like movement.

[rebexness]

Odds that Georgetown drops out of the USNWR top 14 this year?

Noap.

[03152016]

i don't see why it would
it's not like gulc has changed so dramatically the past year
it's still seen as a somewhat preftigious school and the reputation scores matter in the rankings
plus they'd be breaking some pretty serious precedent
also it's not even ranked 14th this year

[Moneytrees]

Georgetown won't drop out of the T14 because

1. It still has rock solid medians, despite it's drop in LSAT this year.
2. It receives really high scores in Peer Reputation every year.

Reason n.2 is why Cornell has been ahead of UCLA, Vandy and UT even though its admission standards are about the same as those schools. Georgetown will likely remain in the T14 for the foreseeable future for the same reason; however, if its medians continue to drop (a likely result if Georgetown's policy on scholarships remains the same), I could see it slowly sliding down in the rankings in about 5/10 years time.

[Rigo]

[Georgetown] still has rock solid medians, despite it's drop in LSAT this year.

"Georgetown has rock solid medians despite not having rock solid medians."

[03152016]

[Georgetown] still has rock solid medians, despite it's drop in LSAT this year.

"Georgetown has rock solid medians despite not having rock solid medians."

yeah seriously
this is the third consecutive year they've shaved a point off their lsat median

[runinthefront]

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[03152016]

based off of run's post, i now see what moneytrees meant
but yeah, i'd probably go with a different term

[Moneytrees]

What I meant is that even though their medians have been dropping, they're still very relatively very good. Sorry for the confusion.

[JCougar]

GeorgeTTTown confirmed.

Its headed to a 165 median in two years tops.

I don't think Georgetown's medians have anything to do with its TTT status, though.

Cornell's median's are always lower than the rest of the T14, yet their BL+FC stats outpace most of the lower half of the T14.

I think their class size is more indicative of their decline

how the fuck do they expect to place 580 grads in decent jobs? How?

I agree with most of this, but I think the bolded is more because Cornell is in NY and is filled with people headed to NYC.

If Cornell had those same medians, but was located in Kansas or something, It would probably be placing only half of its current number into Biglaw.

As far as GULC is concerned, the DC biglaw market isn't that big compared to NYC. I mean, there's an insane amount of lawyers in DC, but I feel like that's a place you go after you have experience and connections...not before. Either that, or obviously FedGov or PI.

[JCougar]

Odds that Georgetown drops out of the USNWR top 14 this year?

It's still got a decent buffer against #15 for this year, but it has put some distance between itself and the rest of the T14 in raw US News score. If medians continue to decline and employment does not pick up, we might see Texas or Vandy take that spot.

Edit: I guess Cornell joined them this year.

GTown and Cornell's raw scores are 76 this year. NW is 79 and Texas is 73. UCLA and Vandy are 72.

I don't know how much a 1-point LSAT median drop is going to cost in raw score this year. 1 point? 2? Texas was tied with GTown not too long ago, so it could happen. Some statistical noise in the peer/practicing survey results could conceivably break up the T14 fairly soon.

[03152016]

where do you find the raw numbers j?

[JCougar]

where do you find the raw numbers j?

You have to go to the US News website and hover your mouse over the numeral of the law school's rank in the main list.

[03152016]

oh nice thx

[arklaw13]

So is the reputation score all that's keeping gtown afloat? Their numbers are getting lower, employment is worse than the other t14s, they don't have a big endowment to throw money around with. Am I missing something?