C/O 2017 Median LSAT/GPA/Class Size Forum

[should-i-do-it]

God there are so many terrible, terrible schools out there.

Good to see so many of them dropping in class size though

[whitespider]

St. Thomas (MN)

150/154/158 (0/-1/-1)
3.14/3.40/3.62 (+.13/+.02/+.04)
124 Enrolled (+9)

http://www.stthomas.edu/law/admissions/profile/

[Rigo]

Whitespider has the highest useful posts/total posts ratio on this site. God bless you Whitespider

Future gunner for sure.

[whitespider]

Whitespider has the highest useful posts/total posts ratio on this site. God bless you Whitespider

Future gunner for sure.

You better believe it. I'm going to be gunning the shit outta law school. Haters gonna hate.

[whitespider]

Missouri - Kansas City (LSAT Median Only)

152 (0)
150 Enrolled (-24)

http://info.umkc.edu/lawnews/2014/09/02 ... s-of-2017/

[stellina]

Literally the only goal of law school is to make you a lawyer. If a school is completely failing at that 30% of the time, it's a shit school.

But anyway.. MEDIANSSS

Faulty premise, over simplified reasoning, worthless conclusion.

Thanks, bro / ladybro.

Also the stench of insecure whining about life's circumstances and how "unfair" those damn boomers are really doesn't need to permeate every single thread. Medians please.

Np.

Dunno why you would be going to law school for any other reason than to be a lawyer, so if that's a false premise idk i guess i know nothing.

You can do a three month 0-60 bootcamp and have a much higher likelihood of getting a jr developer job (within 3 mo rather than 9+ or w/e) than you do of getting a lawyer job after three whole years at even a respected school like wustl.

There's no whining or boomer blaming here. Just a statement that people shouldn't be deceived by the relative non-shittiness of a 67% success rate after 9 mo. It's still not worth spending three years of your life, even at no tuition.

[AT9]

South Texas (no medians - 25/75 only)

148/?/154 (0/?/0)
2.86/?/3.34 (-.09/?/-.06)
299 Enrolled (-34)

https://www.stcl.edu/admissions/student_profile.html

2.86 25th?

[Adrian Monk]

Literally the only goal of law school is to make you a lawyer. If a school is completely failing at that 30% of the time, it's a shit school.

But anyway.. MEDIANSSS

Faulty premise, over simplified reasoning, worthless conclusion.

Thanks, bro / ladybro.

Also the stench of insecure whining about life's circumstances and how "unfair" those damn boomers are really doesn't need to permeate every single thread. Medians please.

Np.

Dunno why you would be going to law school for any other reason than to be a lawyer, so if that's a false premise idk i guess i know nothing.

You can do a three month 0-60 bootcamp and have a much higher likelihood of getting a jr developer job (within 3 mo rather than 9+ or w/e) than you do of getting a lawyer job after three whole years at even a respected school like wustl.

There's no whining or boomer blaming here. Just a statement that people shouldn't be deceived by the relative non-shittiness of a 67% success rate after 9 mo. It's still not worth spending three years of your life, even at no tuition.

examples of those bootcamps? any personal experience?

[Tiago Splitter]

I would like to remind you guys that being unemployed 9 months after graduation is not the same thing as never being hired as an attorney. Some attorneys work as paralegals for a 6 months or so and then get hired as full attorneys. Happens quite frequently at my small firm. That's obviously not a good outcome, but still, keep that in mind.

Shit schools love to push this idea and have convinced the ABA starting next year to use a 10 month cutoff instead of 9 months. But to date, not one has voluntarily provided longer-term data. We anxiously await.

Most law students, or damn close to most law students, get their jobs within 1-5 months of actually having a bar license. For example, in my field, you can rarely even interview before results are announced.

1. States with harder bar exams will have a lower LST score. Not the fault of schools in those states.

2. More importantly, states like CA or CO that get late results only have 3 months to search for a job with an actual license before Feb 15. Compare that with other states that can provide 5 months of licensed job searching before Feb 15. The proposal to report at ten months is being pushed by states like CA in an attempt to level the playing field, at least slightly. Obviously, if these schools didn't already have graduates getting jobs in the tenth month, there would be no reason to offer the proposal.

But please continue with the unbridled cynicism.

Like I said I anxiously await. It's hard to believe that if things were so much better the schools wouldn't have been out in front, voluntarily showing employment outcomes 2 or more years out.

[LurkerShirker]

'merican is up: http://www.wcl.american.edu/admiss/profile.cfm, but I think there is an error in the GPA at least

They claim total #s are Class size 430 (-46)
LSAT 156 (-1) and GPA 3.37 (-.03)

But when they break down the GPA into day (3.32) and evening (3.33), I would think it would be impossible to have a combined median of 3.37. (Unless I am missing a mathematical theory in which this is possible to have a combined median higher than each of two parts; I have not completely thought it through).

[stellina]

examples of those bootcamps? any personal experience?

Couple of friends did dev bootcamp (that's its name) in chi. legit 80 hr weeks. but it does the trick.

anyway. sorry for getting off track.

[Adrian Monk]

examples of those bootcamps? any personal experience?

Couple of friends did dev bootcamp (that's its name) in chi. legit 80 hr weeks. but it does the trick.

anyway. sorry for getting off track.

yeah dev is good and think they have one in sf too, but when i did my research, this is what i found, yes after 3 or 4 months all those bootcamps (not just dev) will get a job as a junior developer but its just way way easier if you have atleast some coding experience before u attend one of those, i was looking into them, and i believe so did every other liberal arts grad, as it just seems like a short cut to make decent amt of money, but i never did it, i just couldnt convince myself to do soemthing that i really dont have a passion, or interest.

[ms9]

Well, so far this conference hasn't yielded much as far as medians. David Yellen, the dean of Loyola Chicago, predicts an uptick in applications soon (not this cycle, we all think they will be down). We have another day though, so who knows. Also, and this is important, we had a murder mystery dinner tonight as part of the conference. I couldn't make that up, we really did.

If anyone is going to the Chicago LSAC forum I have to believe if you just ask the admissions people they will be compelled to share.

[03152016]

any word on nyu spiv?

[JCougar]

Like I said I anxiously await. It's hard to believe that if things were so much better the schools wouldn't have been out in front, voluntarily showing employment outcomes 2 or more years out.

This.

[LeeAllen]

University of Michigan:

GPA: 3.57/3.74/3.83 (+0.05, +0.03, +0.01)
LSAT: 165/168/169 (0, 0, -1)

GPA up across the board, LSAT mostly the same.

[jk148706]

University of Michigan:

GPA: 3.57/3.74/3.83 (+0.05, +0.03, +0.01)
LSAT: 165/168/169 (0, 0, -1)

GPA up across the board, LSAT mostly the same.

http://www.law.umich.edu/prospectivestu ... stics.aspx

[star fox]

Hi folks, I am working on some schools. Karen and I was actually in the NU Law admissions office talking with Johann yesterday and tweeted the bit of information he shared. Alas no medians to report yet and it seemed obnoxious to pester Johann about it but our conference starts today so I will share what I can, when I can!

Mike

Class size is bigger than last year but don't know exact number.

[jw316]

SIAP

Michigan State

150/155/158 (-2/-2/-1)
3.25/3.55/3.74 (-.03/+.03/+.02)
254 Enrolled (-19)

http://www.law.msu.edu/admissions/2014- ... ofile.html

[jewkidontheblock]

I would bet GW numbers are on the way, they probably just need to fudge them a little more before they're ready.

[xSOCALJDx]

Well, so far this conference hasn't yielded much as far as medians. David Yellen, the dean of Loyola Chicago, predicts an uptick in applications soon (not this cycle, we all think they will be down). We have another day though, so who knows. Also, and this is important, we had a murder mystery dinner tonight as part of the conference. I couldn't make that up, we really did.

If anyone is going to the Chicago LSAC forum I have to believe if you just ask the admissions people they will be compelled to share.

I doubt there will be an uptick for Loyola Chicago at current prices, if they start cutting it now that's a different story.

[whitespider]

Seton Hall Law

152/156/159 (0/-1/0)
3.14/3.47/3.69 (-.09/-.05/0)
169 Enrolled (+3)

http://law.shu.edu/ProspectiveStudents/ ... ofiles.cfm

[Bilka]

Seton Hall Law

152/156/159 (0/-1/0)
3.14/3.47/3.69 (-.09/-.05/0)
169 Enrolled (+3)

http://law.shu.edu/ProspectiveStudents/ ... ofiles.cfm

Isnt that the Mighty Ducks 3 school?

[Bilka]

Seton Hall Law

152/156/159 (0/-1/0)
3.14/3.47/3.69 (-.09/-.05/0)
169 Enrolled (+3)

http://law.shu.edu/ProspectiveStudents/ ... ofiles.cfm

Isnt that the Mighty Ducks 3 school?

My bad - it's Eden Hall .... and its a high school.

[MikeJD]

I noticed many schools no longer put the sticker price in the class profile page anymore