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JFO1833 · Post by **JFO1833** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:20 pm

Did some more. Now through 108th.

BL+FC: (101+/Graduates), FTBR (FTBR Employed/Graduates)

Posted for St. John's: http://www.stjohns.edu/sites/default/fi ... 14_aba.pdf (BL+FC: 10%, FTBR: 61%)
Posted for Lewis & Clark:
https://law.lclark.edu/live/files/19196 ... ey-summary (BL+FC: 6%, FTBR: 53%)
Posted for Wyoming: http://www.uwyo.edu/law/_files/docs/car ... 4_7_15.pdf (BL+FC: 4%, FTBR: 49%)

JFO1833 · Post by **JFO1833** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:43 pm

Did some more. Worked through the RNP alphabetically, reached Pontifical:

BL+FC: (101+/Graduates), FTBR (FTBR Employed/Graduates)

Posted for Maine: http://mainelaw.maine.edu/wp-content/up ... 3-2012.pdf (BL+FC: 4%, FTBR: 51%)
Posted for Mercer: https://law.mercer.edu/mu-law/career/em ... 4-7-15.pdf (BL+FC: 7%, FTBR: 69%)
Posted for Drexel: http://drexel.edu/law/career/statistics ... 0Outcomes/ (BL+FC: 8%, FTBR: 63%) <--Corrected
Posted for Loyola New Orleans: http://law.loyno.edu/sites/law.loyno.ed ... Report.pdf (BL+FC: 5%, FTBR: 56%)
Posted for Pace: http://law.pace.edu/sites/default/files ... f_2014.pdf (BL+FC: 4%, FTBR: 59%)
Posted for Appalachian: http://www.asl.edu/Documents/Career%20S ... -39-50.pdf (BL+FC: 3%, FTBR: 36%)
Posted for Arizona Summit: https://www.azsummitlaw.edu/sites/defau ... 150402.pdf (BL+FC: 1%, FTBR: 42%)
Posted for Charlotte: http://www.charlottelaw.edu/wp-content/ ... ummary.pdf (BL+FC: 0% (2 out of 413), FTBR: 34%)

BigZuck · Post by **BigZuck** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:56 pm

Nice work

I'm too lazy to compare to last year but just generally, it does seem like "FTBR" is a good clip higher in general, no?

cannibal ox · Post by **cannibal ox** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:00 am

BigZuck wrote:Nice work

I'm too lazy to compare to last year but just generally, it does seem like "FTBR" is a good clip higher in general, no?

The numbers being posted include school funded jobs.

For example, Davis should be at 66% instead of 80% if you subtracted school funded.

chuckbass · Post by **chuckbass** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:01 am

cannibal ox wrote:
BigZuck wrote:Nice work

I'm too lazy to compare to last year but just generally, it does seem like "FTBR" is a good clip higher in general, no?
The numbers being posted include school funded jobs.

For example, Davis should be at 66% instead of 80% if you subtracted school funded.

Yeah plus some are just off, like Drexel. Still good job though.

cannibal ox · Post by **cannibal ox** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:04 am

Ohio State up to 72% from 58% (no school funded included). BYU is up as well. Too lazy to do the rest but seems like an overall upswing, but then again maybe this is self selection on which schools are reporting so far.

chuckbass · Post by **chuckbass** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:06 am

cannibal ox wrote:Ohio State up to 72% from 58% (no school funded included). BYU is up as well. Too lazy to do the rest but seems like an overall upswing, but then again maybe this is self selection on which schools are reporting so far.

Ugh come on WUSTL

rpupkin · Post by **rpupkin** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:12 am

BigZuck wrote:Nice work

I'm too lazy to compare to last year but just generally, it does seem like "FTBR" is a good clip higher in general, no?

I thought the same thing. I wonder if some of the effect is due, in part, to the motivation of schools with improved numbers to make their employment data available sooner. I suppose that's possible considering that our sample consists entirely of schools that posted before they had to. But who knows?

BigZuck · Post by **BigZuck** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:18 am

scottidsntknow wrote:Ugh come on WUSTL

I'm FULLY BAITED for UT's numbers to be released

If UT is over 50% BL/Clerkships I'm going to buy a pound of brisket and eat it in one sitting to celebrate

If UT is under 50% BL/Clerkships I'm going to buy a pound of brisket and just sob into it

Actually probably eat it too. But sob first.

cannibal ox · Post by **cannibal ox** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:20 am

50% is ambitious. Vegas puts the over under at 45.5%

Tiago Splitter · Post by **Tiago Splitter** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:47 am

rpupkin wrote:
BigZuck wrote:Nice work

I'm too lazy to compare to last year but just generally, it does seem like "FTBR" is a good clip higher in general, no?
I thought the same thing. I wonder if some of the effect is due, in part, to the motivation of schools with improved numbers to make their employment data available sooner. I suppose that's possible considering that our sample consists entirely of schools that posted before they had to. But who knows?

Class was about 10% smaller than 2013 so things should look better even if the number of jobs stays the same.

JFO1833 · Post by **JFO1833** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:40 am

scottidsntknow wrote: Yeah plus some are just off, like Drexel. Still good job though.

Drexel's format was odd I accidentally pulled all bar passage required jobs. Fixed the Drexel number above.

docdoc · Post by **docdoc** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:47 am

BigZuck wrote:
scottidsntknow wrote:Ugh come on WUSTL
I'm FULLY BAITED for UT's numbers to be released

If UT is over 50% BL/Clerkships I'm going to buy a pound of brisket and eat it in one sitting to celebrate

If UT is under 50% BL/Clerkships I'm going to buy a pound of brisket and just sob into it

Actually probably eat it too. But sob first.

I'm at the same point with Vandy.

JFO1833 · Post by **JFO1833** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:09 am

Well bad news everyone... I realize the mistake I made with Drexel I made for all the other schools as well. I have now corrected all of the numbers in the above posts and unfortunately they are not as impressive as before.

I also removed two schools that deleted their data since last night.

I have now completed a pass through all the schools.

Posted for McGeorge (Pacific): http://www.mcgeorge.edu/Documents/CDO/2 ... Report.pdf (BL+FC: 4%, FTBR: 45%)

Posted for Cooley:
http://www.cooley.edu/publicinformation ... y_2014.pdf (BL+FC: 1%, FTBR: 30%)

Posted for LaVerne:
http://law.laverne.edu/wp-content/uploa ... ry2014.pdf (BL+FC: 0%, FTBR: 45%)

Posted for UMass-Dartmouth: http://www.umassd.edu/media/umassdartmo ... y_2015.pdf (BL+FC: 2%, FTBR: 31%)

Attrition · Post by **Attrition** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:48 am

Emory's numbers are up
BL+FC = 29%
FTBR = 84%

http://law.emory.edu/_includes/document ... -36-36.pdf

Clemenceau · Post by **Clemenceau** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:15 am

Attrition wrote:Emory's numbers are up
BL+FC = 29%
FTBR = 84%

http://law.emory.edu/_includes/document ... -36-36.pdf

57 school funded jobs and 47 jobs in 2-10 attorney firms. Yeeesh

runinthefront · Post by **runinthefront** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:18 am

Clemenceau wrote:
Attrition wrote:Emory's numbers are up
BL+FC = 29%
FTBR = 84%

http://law.emory.edu/_includes/document ... -36-36.pdf
57 school funded jobs and 47 jobs in 2-10 attorney firms. Yeeesh

1/5 of Emory's class employed by the school alone. Wow.

zombie mcavoy · Post by **zombie mcavoy** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:19 am

Attrition wrote:Emory's numbers are up
BL+FC = 29%
FTBR = 84%

http://law.emory.edu/_includes/document ... -36-36.pdf

No. Why would you post that.

It is an atrocious 63%. Emory has more than 20% of its entire graduating class in school funded to prop up this number.

chuckbass · Post by **chuckbass** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:20 am

Clemenceau wrote:
Attrition wrote:Emory's numbers are up
BL+FC = 29%
FTBR = 84%

http://law.emory.edu/_includes/document ... -36-36.pdf
57 school funded jobs and 47 jobs in 2-10 attorney firms. Yeeesh

Yeah so FTBR: 63.4%

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:46 am

lawschool1741 · Post by **lawschool1741** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:00 am

Iwanttolawschool · Post by **Iwanttolawschool** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:09 am

JFO1833 wrote:Went through US News 2016 rankings. Got through 78th. Here are the stats I found:

BL+FC: (101+/Graduates), FTBR (FTBR Employed/Graduates)

Posted for Davis: https://law.ucdavis.edu/career-services ... BA-590.pdf (BL+FC: 18%, FTBR: 78%)
Posted for BYU: http://www.law2.byu.edu/page/categories ... 202014.pdf (BL+FC: 19%, FTBR: 76%)
Posted for Ohio State: http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/careers/wp-con ... Report.pdf (BL+FC: 20%, FTBR: 74%)
Posted for Florida: http://www.law.ufl.edu/wordpress/wp-con ... duates.pdf (BL+FC: 17%, FTBR: 69%)
Posted for Richmond: http://law.richmond.edu/admissions/PDF/ ... ummary.pdf (BL+FC: 13%, FTBR: 59%)
Posted for Nebraska: http://law.unl.edu/documents/ABAEmploymentStats.pdf (BL+FC: 8%, FTBR: 74%)
Posted for UNLV: http://law.unlv.edu/sites/default/files ... -57-14.pdf (BL+FC: 6%, FTBR: 67%)
Posted for Arkansas Fayetteville: http://law.uark.edu/documents/2012/06/E ... es2014.pdf (BL+FC: 9%, FTBR: 55%)
Posted for Illinois-Tech (Kent): http://www.kentlaw.iit.edu/Documents/De ... 202014.pdf (BL+FC: 8%, FTBR: 52%)
Posted for Loyola Chicago: http://www.luc.edu/media/lucedu/law/car ... 14_ABA.pdf (BL+FC: 11%, FTBR: 56%)

I haven't looked at all of them, but for example.. is Davis actually 66% FTBR after we fix the school funded
problem?

Then looked at BYU, and it should be 68% FTBR.

Unless im crazy and doing this wrong

rion91 · Post by **rion91** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:29 am

Ftbr =full time bar req?

Moneytrees · Post by **Moneytrees** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:34 am

The interesting thing about Emory is that last year's numbers were worse. Employment score on LST was in the low 60's when you take out school funded jobs, and BL+FC was only around 25%.

It looks like the administration is aware that Emory's class sizes have been way too big he past few years. Last year's class size was only 224.

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:35 am

rion91 wrote:Ftbr =full time bar req?

Yes.

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