List of Class of 2013 GPA and LSAT Medians Forum

[im_blue]

St. John's
3.55/161 median

wustl: 3.7 167

Sources please? I still see c/o 2012 data on their web sites.

[nyyankees]

St. John's
3.55/161 median

wustl: 3.7 167

Sources please? I still see c/o 2012 data on their web sites.

i go to wustl, theres a class profile printout i got from the admissions office. its prob not online yet.

[im_blue]

St. John's
3.55/161 median

wustl: 3.7 167

Sources please? I still see c/o 2012 data on their web sites.

i go to wustl, theres a class profile printout i got from the admissions office. its prob not online yet.

Thanks, updated!

[solidsnake]

I like seeing this upward swing of GPAs... mine's ~3.9, and it'd be nice if schools are looking to bump GPA in the immediate future here's to wishful thinking

is your avatar a wookie riding a squirrel?

[Knock]

I like seeing this upward swing of GPAs... mine's ~3.9, and it'd be nice if schools are looking to bump GPA in the immediate future here's to wishful thinking

is your avatar a wookie riding a squirrel?

Shooting Nazis with a crossbow I believe.

[lifestooquick]

Ohio State (from their website)
Class Entering 2010 LSAT: 164/163/160
Class Entering 2010 GPA: 3.82/3.66/3.45

[dissonance1848]

Here are Duke's stats:

GPA 75/25 : 3.9/3.68 Median : 3.8

LSAT 75/25 : 171/168 Median : 170

[dissonance1848]

I can't believe U Penn saw a 3% decline in their apps. Talk about an inefficient market.

[Dany]

I can't believe U Penn saw a 3% decline in their apps. Talk about an inefficient market.

This is totally a wild guess, but I would assume schools with lots of extras (like supplemental essays, for example) don't follow normal trends. Since it's the # of applications per applicant that's mainly increasing, think about which additional schools those people apply to. One where they can use their generic personal statement and have to put in zero additional effort, or one where they have to rework their entire application and write additional essays?

That obviously isn't the whole story, but I'm willing to bet that accounts for some of it.

[St.Remy]

I can't believe U Penn saw a 3% decline in their apps. Talk about an inefficient market.

This is totally a wild guess, but I would assume schools with lots of extras (like supplemental essays, for example) don't follow normal trends. Since it's the # of applications per applicant that's mainly increasing, think about which additional schools those people apply to. One where they can use their generic personal statement and have to put in zero additional effort, or one where they have to rework their entire application and write additional essays?

That obviously isn't the whole story, but I'm willing to bet that accounts for some of it.

Yeah I bet that's a part of it. If any schools actually required evaluations this year I bet their numbers would tank.

For Penn though I bet another part of it is that the Philadelphia legal market is so banged up

[dissonance1848]

If its a matter of the Phili market being banged up, then wtf about law school applications for Temple (Phili is base market), besides the general increase in law school selectivity (save for NYC where the market is apparently relatively resilient)?

[St.Remy]

If its a matter of the Phili market being banged up, then wtf about law school applications for Temple (Phili is base market), besides the general increase in law school selectivity (save for NYC where the market is apparently relatively resilient)?

The number of Temple apps stayed almost exactly the same from last year to this one, despite the fact that the surge in LSAT takers meant way more people with Temple numbers than it did people with Penn numbers.

I don't understand the second part of your question, but I'm addressing number of apps and not selectivity.

[dissonance1848]

So there was greater selectivity on the part of applicants to Temple? OK, plausible self selection. My point about NYC was employment prospects being better there should lead to much greater selectivity on the part of schools (which it seems to be the case in degree based on NYU numbers). Also, if people are responding to market circumstances, then you would expect numbers to become more polarized (Temple go up, other schools go down in numbers). Instead, some schools are going up, and the rest are staying about the same.

[St.Remy]

Again the exact meaning of your post is a bit fuzzy to me, but I think I get most of it so I'll try to respond.

So there was greater selectivity on the part of applicants to Temple? OK, plausible self selection.

I'm not saying that Temple applicants were more "selective" last year (not exactly sure how you are using that word in that context) compared to Penn applicants. I'm saying both Penn and Temple application numbers stayed about the same as they did last year in contrast to other schools who had many more applications because of the Philadelphia legal market being particularly weak. The reason why Penn actually shed some applicants is in my opinion due to the fact that fewer people have Penn quality numbers so even with a greater number of people taking the LSAT not as many of these people would see Penn as a viable option when compared with Temple. Another probable reason why Penn lost some applicants is because as eskimo pointed out earlier Penn requires an additional essay.

My point about NYC was employment prospects being better there should lead to much greater selectivity on the part of schools (which it seems to be the case in degree based on NYU numbers).

No disagreement here. The stats of NYC schools went up this year, showing that the schools are being more selective and there are even more applicants than last year for the schools to choose from. This is possibly due in part to the perceived strength or resilience of the NYC legal market.

Also, if people are responding to market circumstances, then you would expect numbers to become more polarized (Temple go up, other schools go down in numbers). Instead, some schools are going up, and the rest are staying about the same.

You would only expect a polarizing effect like that if the population of law school applicants is the same from year to year, and if the quality of the applicants is likewise the same. With a greater number of people taking the LSAT and applying to law schools there will be a greater number of people with good numbers for schools to choose from (the number of applicants schools take does not increase with the number of applicants in the pool). With this increased population of applicants and thus the increase in number of applying students with good stats schools are able to take in a higher numbers of students with good GPAs and LSAT scores than they otherwise would have been able to. Thus some schools go up and some schools stay the same in this application environment. If the same number of people had applied last year that had applied the year before you would indeed have seen more schools go down in terms of medians, but because that isn't the case you have the situation that we see now.

[dissonance1848]

Agreed on the above. I suppose people are applying to law schools regardless of the local market fundamentals. As I said, inefficient markets.

[timertimer61]

anyone know fordham's new numbers?

[The Real Jack McCoy]

And anyone know when HYS typically release their numbers? I take it not at orientation, given the lack of leaks.

[St.Remy]

Pitt Law: 3.37/160...................................(-.05, +1)
Penn State Dickinson Law: 3.6/159..............(+.12,+1) GPA rounded?
Wake Forest: probably ~3.65/162...............(+.05, 0) based on released 25th and 75th info


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[im_blue]

Pitt Law: 3.37/160...................................(-.05, +1)
Penn State Dickinson Law: 3.6/159..............(+.12,+1) GPA rounded?
Wake Forest: probably ~3.65/162...............(+.05, 0) based on released 25th and 75th info


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Thanks, updated! I left WF off for now since medians are hard to guess from 25/75 numbers.

[jeff5170]

University of Kentucky:

Entering Class Credentials

LSAT Median: 160
GPA Median: 3.55

LSAT 75th Percentile: 162
LSAT 25th Percentile: 157

GPA 75th Percentile: 3.76
GPA 25th Percentile: 3.19

[GettingReady2010]

I can't believe how many school's LSAT medians went up. No one can tell us that we had an easy cycle.

[im_blue]

University of Kentucky:

Entering Class Credentials

LSAT Median: 160
GPA Median: 3.55

LSAT 75th Percentile: 162
LSAT 25th Percentile: 157

GPA 75th Percentile: 3.76
GPA 25th Percentile: 3.19

Thanks, updated!

[GettingReady2010]

+1 to the above.

I can't believe how low Berkeley's median LSAT is. It has to be the lowest of the top 13.

[im_blue]

+1 to the above.

I can't believe how low Berkeley's median LSAT is. It has to be the lowest of the top 13.

Lowest of the T13 (tied with Cornell), lower than UCLA and Vandy, and tied with Texas, GW, Illinois, WUSTL, Minnesota, and USC.

[Jack Smirks]

I don't understand how Iowa's medians are so low but yet its ranking stays #25.