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[PeanutsNJam]

Yeah wow it's pretty damning that Michigan's #s are dropping while all the other T14's are going up. bl+fc is below 50% .

Still, "most improved" award to dook!

[BigZuck]

seriously if anyone is thinking of stepping up for michigan, you're objectively wrong

No way bro

1. The students fail the school
2. CSO made me do it
3. SELF SELECTION!!!!
4. Young people like cities too much these days
5. Next year is the year they turn it around just you wait and see you haters

[lawschool1741]

https://www.law.umich.edu/careers/class ... of2014.pdf
Not looking good for Michigan Law

Wow. LSF jumped huge to counteract?

[Serett]

seriously if anyone is thinking of stepping up for michigan, you're objectively wrong

*shrug*

82 people in FTLT PI/Gov.'t. Did they not want it?

[thereelfeels]

Pitt (78): BL+FC: 11%, FTLTBP: 51%, FTLTBP (no LSF): 51%

[zombie mcavoy]

https://www.law.umich.edu/careers/class ... of2014.pdf
Not looking good for Michigan Law

That's incredibly bad. Holy shit.

[banjo]

Michigan numbers on the spreadsheet look off. I'm counting 169 in biglaw and 41 in clerkships = 53.8%.

[Tiago Splitter]

Michigan does have at least 12.5% of its class going into PI/Gov that is not school funded. But still.

[MT Cicero]

Yeah wow it's pretty damning that Michigan's #s are dropping while all the other T14's are going up. bl+fc is below 50% .

Still, "most improved" award to dook!

The numbers in the spreadsheet appear to be off. I'm seeing BL at 43.3% (169/390) and FC at 10.5% (41/390).

BL + FC = 53.8% (210/390). Are my numbers correct? We're using 100+ firms in this spreadsheet right?

Not a Michigan defender...just a math defender.

*Edit - scooped

[Tiago Splitter]

Yes it's 53.8

[PeanutsNJam]

medians are gonna be exciting to see

[yost]

Until now, I think the shit that Michigan was getting on this site was mostly unjustified. Our BL/FC numbers were within a margin of error of our peer schools. (Within 5% of Duke, Northwestern, Virginia and ahead of Berkeley).

Now...well shit. Pile on. This is horrible.

[storpappa]

seriously if anyone is thinking of stepping up for michigan, you're objectively wrong

No way bro

1. The students fail the school
2. CSO made me do it
3. SELF SELECTION!!!!
4. Young people like cities too much these days
5. Next year is the year they turn it around just you wait and see you haters

[PeanutsNJam]

any baseless conjecture as to how this happened?

[FloridaCoastalorbust]

any baseless conjecture as to how this happened?

the weather pattern over michigan last year meant more depressed hiring associates interviewing students participating at OCI, leading to lower offers than from peer institutions. duh.

[JFO1833]

11: Michigan - BL+FC-54%, FTLTBR-90%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-82%
https://www.law.umich.edu/careers/class ... of2014.pdf

78: Pittsburgh - BL+FC-11%, FTLTBR-51%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-51%
87: Northeastern - BL+FC-8%, FTLTBR-51%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-51%
113: Montana - BL+FC-13%, FTLTBR-66%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-66%
RNP: John Marshall (Chicago) - BL+FC-5%, FTLTBR-55%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-55%
RNP: Regent - BL+FC-4%, FTLTBR-45%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-45%
RNP: Suffolk - BL+FC-8%, FTLTBR-46%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-46%
RNP: Whittier - BL+FC-2%, FTLTBR-26%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-26%

Totals (142/203 Reporting): Totals: BL+FC-16%, FTLTBR-57%, FTLTBR (w/o LSF)-56%

[jrthor10]

any baseless conjecture as to how this happened?

No. And as a current MLaw student, I'm annoyed. We've been told this would be fixed for a while now, but clearly that's not the case.

Aware that we had started school funded jobs, so that wasn't a surprise. Just assume those #s would help us far surpass last year's total #s--not make up for a loss in big law/clerkship #s.

I do think we will always be a little bit lower in big law/clerkship #s because people here are generally more comfortable with going to smaller firms in secondary markets. But that doesn't mean are #s should continue to be in the 50s.

Only hopeful sign is that current 2L class is significantly smaller than the 2014 graduating class. Not sure about the class of 2015--pretty sure they are similar to the class of 2014 in size.

One last thought: Approx. 1/4 of the class graduates in December each year. It seems like those #s count towards the spring release numbers--class of 2014 includes May and December #s. If that's the case, maybe some people are taking time off before starting at a firm? No idea. This sucks.

[BrazilBandit]

Yeah wow it's pretty damning that Michigan's #s are dropping while all the other T14's are going up. bl+fc is below 50% .

Still, "most improved" award to dook!

The numbers in the spreadsheet appear to be off. I'm seeing BL at 43.3% (169/390) and FC at 10.5% (41/390).

BL + FC = 53.8% (210/390). Are my numbers correct? We're using 100+ firms in this spreadsheet right?

Not a Michigan defender...just a math defender.

*Edit - scooped

My bad! #fatfingers

[Serett]

any baseless conjecture as to how this happened?

20-25% of the class going for PI/gov.'t.

Don't get me wrong, those biglaw numbers are seriously lagging, but, subtracting school-funded jobs, FTLTBR is within three points of UVA and is higher than NU. No solo practice, and only 6/390 unemployed - seeking, so whatever's happening, it's not people utterly striking out. If that much of the class was legitimately out for PI/gov.'t (and assuming most of them get it, either outright or after their school-funded stint), the sky isn't falling.

[runinthefront]

https://www.law.umich.edu/careers/class ... of2014.pdf
Not looking good for Michigan Law

If everyone at Mich exclusively targeted mediocre NYC offices like a lot of Cornell folks do, they'd have improved BL numbers. Duh. Some of the GPAs that got Mich people NYC jobs the last few years are quite shitty; the NYC placement power is good. But, only a minority of the class targets this way.

At equal cost, Mich. If Cornell is cheaper and all you want is NYC, then Cornell is a no-brainer.

[PeanutsNJam]

maybe the graduating class was just extra fat and weird

[Tiago Splitter]

any baseless conjecture as to how this happened?

20-25% of the class going for PI/gov.'t.

Don't get me wrong, those biglaw numbers are seriously lagging, but, subtracting school-funded jobs, FTLTBR is within three points of UVA and is higher than NU. No solo practice, and only 6/390 unemployed - seeking, so whatever's happening, it's not people utterly striking out. If that much of the class was legitimately out for PI/gov.'t (and assuming most of them get it, either outright or after their school-funded stint), the sky isn't falling.

I mean this is basically it. Michigan may really just be accepting a huge proportion of legit PI gunners. Still tough to go there if you want a firm though.

[runinthefront]

any baseless conjecture as to how this happened?

20-25% of the class going for PI/gov.'t.

Don't get me wrong, those biglaw numbers are seriously lagging, but, subtracting school-funded jobs, FTLTBR is within three points of UVA and is higher than NU. No solo practice, and only 6/390 unemployed - seeking, so whatever's happening, it's not people utterly striking out. If that much of the class was legitimately out for PI/gov.'t (and assuming most of them get it, either outright or after their school-funded stint), the sky isn't falling.

I mean this is basically it. Michigan may really just be accepting a huge proportion of legit PI gunners. Still tough to go there if you want a firm though.

PI + SFJ (on the assumption that many of these SFJ are "desirable" fellowships for UM PI-gunners) for Michigan were 11% in 2011, 9.7% in 2012, 6% in 2013 (trend of biglaw going up)...

...and 18.5% in 2014. Why is there such a big upwards trend? I don't know if I buy that rationale Tiago, although I think that it's plausible.

Unless there was some concerted effort by the Adcomms over the last few years to really strive to admit lots of PI gunners, the numbers just seem off from the past

[chuckbass]

I'd also guess that a significant amount of people aren't bidding NYC.

[Desert Fox]

Each class is just differnt culturally. Northwestern has seen a much more shocking pattern in jd mba jobs. It used to be 60% law but last year it was 82% business.

Or they would have to just settle for pi after striking out. SFJ pi jobs shouldn't count.